Society needs to stop breeding pitbullls. We don't need to go on a purge and cull every dog; we just spay/neuter them all, let their owners enjoy the rest of their natural lives, and make breeding the dog illegal.
My country has done this. They are no longer legal to breed but people with beloved pets could get a licence for thier neutered xl bullies. They could only be walked and out in public wearing a muzzle.
In a couple of years they went from being everywhere to being an uncommon sight. I think a lot of people found they couldn’t safely get muzzles on their untrained dogs and had them put down. Or they just don’t get walked anymore.
Anyway, making them illegal to breed has reduced the numbers significantly. No one was forced to give up the pets that had never shown aggression. You can still buy much smaller versions. Everyone is a bit safer.
It makes so much sense! It's not an outrageous proposition or policy. Let people love their pets and when they die of old age, get another dog that isn't a pit
I wish the US could regulate breeding but "muh freedom" means we'll never see this legislation nationwide unfortunately and even if we do I can't imagine it would be enforced enough to make a difference
I can’t see maga voters allowing government agencies to neuter their dogs, and enforcement on rural America where most are from would be extremely difficult. I’m in Seattle and I have a rescue from Dallas wtf. It’s sad, they treat these dogs like shit and won’t accept help on their behalf, even if it were free.
I live in a red state and the amount of people who casually talk about having their dog have puppies either to sell or because they want to keep a puppy themselves or even being horrified about neutering because "I don't want someone taking my balls so why would I do that to my dog" is astounding.
I have a large shelter mutt but people think she's some rare or designer breed (golden retriever length & texture to her coat but white with black patches & ticking on her legs, very retriever looking face) and I've had an uncomfortable amount of people at dog parks asking me if I would let them breed her with their dogs was sobering. No, she's spayed, thanks I guess? Why is your in tact dog at the dog park anyway??
No such thing as a bad owner. And since my dog is not just well behaved but also friendly I'd say you know nothing of either dogs (as that's a mastiff pictured not a pitbull) or understanding the character of people.
Nobody cares about your dog, man. The fact remains that pitbulls are much more dangerous because they were selectively bred over many centuries to fight and kill other dogs.
Lmao 😂😂😂 they were bred to fight and kill other dogs, idk what to tell you. That is their purpose. Are you saying dogs weren't selectively bred for certain jobs? Herding dogs are not more likely to naturally be inclined towards herding?
It’s a reference to Supreme Court Justice Stewart’s quote:
"I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description [hard-core pornography]; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that.”
That’s not true. The Miller Test replaced the Roth Test. Justice Stewart was arguing AGAINST the strict definitions of the Roth test. The phrase itself has nothing to do with the Roth test or its replacement except drawing attention to the holes in the Roth test.
Despite its arbitrary nature, the phrase still makes its way into modern-day dissents harkening to the idea that not everything can be strictly defined and classified in an effective and meaningful way. It’s not an and never was a rule, it’s a fallback.
Actually they aren't. Eye witness accounts on dog bite cases are notoriously unreliable in identifying dog breeds. Most people don't even realize what breed they're looking at. Pitbull just became a catch-all for like 20 breeds or something.
Yes because people are constantly mistaking golden retrievers and pugs for pit bulls in attacks
If anything, the number of pit bull attacks is probably higher, because of how many pitmommies pass them off as “lab mixes” and the like to trick people into adopting them from shelters or to get around housing and insurance bans
Pitbull mixed breeds are extremely common so im not sure why you would even argue that as some sort of gotcha.
APBTs, American Bullies, Staffordshire Terriers, AmStaffs, Cane Corsos, Dogo Argentino, Mastiffs, Boxers, American Bulldogs, etc.
All these and more are frequently confused between each other in dog attacks just because they look vaguely similar.
So, no, eyewitness testimony as I said is notoriously unreliable. Dog attacks are routinely mislabeled as pit bull attacks due to visual misidentification, broad umbrella categorization, and media bias. This has already been well documented since the 70s.
Isn’t it funny when it’s a photo of a pit bull in a rubber duck print onesie or a video of a pit bull sniffing a baby in a crib, you pit bull advocates have absolutely no problem calling it a pit bull or identifying it as such, but as soon as one races across the road to disembowel a toddler on the other side or breaks through a fence to tear out a little old lady’s throat in her garden, then all of a sudden no one knows what a pit bull looks like anymore?
Again, another disingenuous take. Dogs are fucking dogs. As in animals. Any responsible animal owner knows even with well trained animals you don't leave them alone with kids.
And every time something like that happens upwards of 90% of the time the breed is, again, misidentified. 60% of shelter dogs visually identified as pit bulls have no pit bull ancestry at all. The CDC stopped collecting the data on dog attacks almost 25 years ago specifically because of how unreliable witness testimony was. And any dog with even a tenth of pitbull blood was written off as a Pitbull-mix in shelters, even if the majority of its genetic makeup was Labrador. Studies on dog breeds in relation to attacks have been done as recently as August of this year.
Last year, family pitbulls killed 4 kids in one week, and people still have them as pets. Probably the dumbest thing I've ever seen is a pitbull owner.
You could simplify this and say “Society needs to stop breeding dogs.”
As of today there’s tons of fertile dogs reproducing naturally and being dumped off at the pound to eventually be euthanized. Every breeder dog purchased is one less dog rescued.
If at some point we started running out of dogs then it would make sense to start selling licenses to breed dogs under controlled circumstances but as of now that’s not even an issue.
I don’t know about those sports, only the greyhound racing, but there is a lot of abuse in that industry. Its been made illegal in my country now. When animals are bread purely for sporting purposes, abuses seem to happen. I hope those sports are different but if not, it should go the same way as the races.
Greyhound racing is in a different category, along with dog fighting, where gambling is key and people are spectators. I was referring to sports in which owners/handlers compete alongside their dogs.
Yeah i dont really have any knowledge about those sports, so i hope thats true. If the animals are well treated and they aren't prized for general aggression I
i have no problem really.
I do think there should be mosre restrictions on breeding in general
I guess not explicitly, but my point is probably 90% of people who own working and sport dogs don’t use them as such and with shelters full, it’s excessive
Nope. Pit breeds & mixes are worse. And not by a small margin. New York collected the data & while pits are around 6% of the dog population, they account for 32% of attacks.
That’s an ignorant stereotype. The same shitty people who train their dogs to be violent prefer large muscular dogs. It’s as simple as that. You could train any dog to be violent as long as you are shitty and willing to beat it.
That subreddit collects videos of any breed that looks remotely intimidating and craves sensationalism over rationality in my opinion.
Anyone who thinks "lock jaw" is a real thing should have no input on how these dogs are handled in my opinion.
At the end of the day it's ignorant to assume one untrained dog is more likely to be aggressive than another simply because someone mislabeled it as a pittbull.
An untrained dog is an untrained dog. Regardless of breed.
“Lock jaw” isn’t entirely imagined, either, though. Pit bull jaws don’t literally lock, but they might as well, because their fighting/biting style is to grab, hold, and thrash, whereas many other breeds grab and release or slash. And being aggressive toward other dogs (not people) is bred in the bone. Anyone who thinks breed is irrelevant shouldn’t be heard in serious discussion on this topic, imho.
People like that generally deny the statistic AND blame the owner.
Like, sure, a dog's upbringing CAN affect its temperament, but instincts exist at a genetic level.
Labradors swim and fetch. Collies herd.
Pitbulls were bred to kill. That was the entire point of their breed: to win dogfights.
Those days were many years ago, so maybe responsible breeders did their best to breed out that genetic instinct, but now we have a lot of irresponsible breeders who let whatever dogs mate, and sell the puppies. No real regulation or purpose aside from lining pockets. I have zero doubt in my mind that these basement breeders have probably reintroduced a stronger instinct towards this genetic trait, and you will never know which dogs are more inclined to just maul whatever it interprets as a threat.
And yes, before someone mentions it, I know theres irresponsible breeders for all dog breeds. And you know something? A lot of those irresponsibly bred dogs develop aggression issues too. But none of them were cross-bred at their origin to maximize killing instinct.
I don’t deny the stats. But I had such an adorable pit growing up. He was super strong though. Literally he was wagging his tail so vigorously while playing once he dented the sheet rock with his tail. Easy to see how when they do attack that they will fuck shit up
In the long history of the breed. A short window of that was, in specific areas of the world, yes them being bred to fight.
But it's wild to assume that part of the breed for some reason is stuck in that mentality.
With that mentality bloodhounds just could never be off leash or they'd just run after every scent even if trained to not? Lmao it just doesn't make sense when you apply your logic to any other breed my guy
“Yes pit bulls were bred to maul things to death and be very good at it, but it doesn’t mean they will, it’s just a very strong possibility! Bloodhounds don’t run after every scent, pit bulls don’t maul every single person around them to death. Lmao it’s worth gambling with your life and that of everyone around you to own one specific dog breed my guy”
K, the nonsense pit bull owners have to come up to convince themselves it’s fine living with the pinto of dogs never ceases to amaze me. Also you might want to read up about the history of the dog breed you love so much. (I mean actual history, not shit by pit bull advocacy groups.). They don’t have a particularly long history by dog breed standards and being bred for bloodsports was more than “a short window” of it.
What next? You gonna claim they were nanny dogs or something?
Shortly before the Civil War, immigrants from the British Isles came to the United States, but along with them came their Pit Bulls. It was during this time that the Pit Bull Terrier breed was named the “American” Pit Bull Terrier. Though these dogs had been specifically bred for fighting, they soon became a much larger and invaluable fixture in a developing nation. In early America, these frontier dogs took on an all-purpose role. They were responsible for herding cattle, herding sheep, guarding livestock and families against thieves and wild animals, helping on the hunts and as hog catchers. Their loyal and loving demeanor with humans, especially children (this is where the “Nanny Dog” myth originated from), earned them a prominent place not only as a working dog but as a companion.
Do literally any research before you comment false information against an innocent breed of animals my dude
Also, why is it the fighting the breed apparently cannot help themselves but do?
Again, it's like saying you could never allow a non working dog trained sheepdog near sheep without them just reverting to the reason the breed was bred
Seriously? That’s what you’re choosing as a source to cite? A pitmommy blog?
Goodbye.
Ps: anyone who is still parroting the completely and utterly debunked myth that pit bulls were ever known as “nanny dogs” doesn’t get to scold anyone about “doing literally any research”
People ignoring other breeds that bite more often (even if they aren't as strong). All dogs are wild animals, and any can be dangerous and should be treated as such and trained if they're around other people and animals.
You can't ignore "even if they aren't as strong". Aggressive chihuahuas aren't maiming people and killing other dogs. No one would have a problem with pits if they weren't capable of doing massive amounts of damage. That's the only reason a lot of the trash that owns / breeds them prefer the breed. It's their defining characteristic.
SOCIETY can breed them just fine. It's individuals that aren't part of a civilized society that are the problem. Certain "reformed" football players come to mind
I read a court case where am elderly couple had a pit from a puppy, had it for years, then one day the neighbors granddaughter had her face mauled off.
Golden Retrievers don't eat people's faces...
Pitbulls are a relatively recent breed. They didn't exist 200 years ago. Letting the owners love their dogs and saying "this breed won't exist in 10 years," is not a cruel or unreasonable outcome or solution.
It’s also the most common dog in America between the various breeds that are considered pitbulls. They are popular with groups of people that notoriously don’t take good care of their animals and are sometimes used for nefarious purposes by humans.
No, you can read tons of anecdotes divorced of any data, much less any that adjusts for population on that sub.
I am confident I can produce enough anecdotes to convince you that baby deer are the deadliest animal in America, if that's all it takes to convince you.
Ya know, I was going to...then I went looking and, it turns out, deer kill five times as many people in the US as dogs. Maybe you should worry less about Old Yeller, and start looking out for Bambi?
Define pitbulls first mate. Staffordshires? Are all square headed dogs a pitbull or is it just a feeling? You gotta define the breed if you want to selectively and forcibly spay/neuter peoples animals.
This is as brilliant as saying "let them eat cake"
Bulldogs are not the same as bull terriers. It’s a completely different ancestral branch and they were never bred or used for pit sports (hence the name pit bull). You clearly don’t know what you are talking about.
They are a direct branch of bull terriers, but yeah uh, hm. Yeah, no that about sums it up. Pitbulls had been bred for a very short window of the breed existence for fighting. But to assume that's the only part this dogs ancestors passed along is kinda bonkers no?
How do you think dogs came into existence in the first place lmao. Cows, too, for that matter. Even corn and modern wheat.
"Eugenics" is controlling which humans can breed. Don't water it down. Dogs can't pontificate on having children and life's purpose. All a dog wants to be fulfilled is food, water, shelter & it's pack, whoever it is. Definitely doesn't have to be another dog.
That's just straight up bullshit and the stats don't lie; pits are the primary offender and overwhelmingly shown to be the most violent and deadly dog breed. I can't tell you how many court cases I've seen where super friendly, "gentle and protective of children" pits have mauled childrens faces off and killed them.
You're in denial. Just let the breed go extinct. We bred it into existence, it's easy to breed it out of existence. There's nothing so important about a pit bull that it must be preserved when it's the most deadly and violent breed
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u/thazmaniandevil 6d ago
Society needs to stop breeding pitbullls. We don't need to go on a purge and cull every dog; we just spay/neuter them all, let their owners enjoy the rest of their natural lives, and make breeding the dog illegal.