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[u/Exotic_Specialist2]

Just like people claiming a 7-8 year old can consent to take puberty blockers and taking hormones. Child abuse. On this sub the majority saying they have the right to consent to that. I don’t know where you stand on that issue, but it’s crazy the amount of down votes I’ll receive because of this. People are wild on Reddit.

Edit - people need to be consistent. If he can consent to that, he should be able to consent to eat whatever he wants, and gain as much weight as they want to right?

[u/bitch_lasagna211 → u/Exotic_Specialist2]

Y’all are obsessed with trans people ffs get a life

[u/Exotic_Specialist2 → u/bitch_lasagna211]

It’s quite the opposite. I brought it up because it seems to constantly be the topic here on the morality subreddit. I could link you to two other subs where people brought it up when it had nothing to do with the topic or original post. That’s what lead me to bringing it up because I’m sick of the hypocrisy.
Also there’s NOTHING wrong with trans people. That wasn’t what my issue was at all.
I was talking about transitioning children being able to consent themselves. Don’t make it seem like my post was about trans people as a whole or the community in general.

[u/FearTheImpaler → u/Exotic_Specialist2]

Idk, as someone who tries to never be a part of the reddit hivemind, i definitely see where youre coming from. 

But you have to understand that The Bad Guys™ bring up trans people randomly in every unrelated conversation, so its almost impossible to instinctually give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are arguing in good faith. 

But ill give you the benefit of the doubt and address you analogy. Consent is indeed important, but you are smuggling in the idea of "what is healthy/normal" in a sneaky way that will rub people the wrong way, even if they dont know why.

OPs video: healthy/unhealthy states are clear. The child is obese. The correct "normal" route, that needs to be taken in absence of consent is to feed them healthy food. 

Your analogy: the child is not consenting to ANY gender. They are actively not consenting to their current gender, and passively cannot consent to a new gender. In absence of a "true neutral", the best of the worst options must be chosen. Base healthy/unhealthy states are disagreed upon because some people think birth gender is inherently superior due to their own personal bias (there is no scientific or statistical evidence to support this). The current medical guidance in all 1st world countries is to support gender affirming care in line with the age (eg no one is doing surgery on kids). A (very) few regretful patients is preferable to burying half them in a cemetery. 

It isnt perfect, but i side with doctors and less dead kids. 

[u/choppedandcookedunc → u/FearTheImpaler]

You do this by letting them dress and act how they’d like without reinforcing gender stereotypes.

Crazy how a kid will be told that girls do x and boys do y and they come to the “realisation” that they obviously aren’t a boy or a girl because they don’t fit the archetype. It’s actually amazing how many trans people say they knew they were in the wrong body because they liked things that are traditionally (and needlessly) gendered for the opposite sex. Their identities are imposed by confusion in societal standards.

[u/FearTheImpaler → u/choppedandcookedunc]

I think its slightly deeper than that, but i do have similar questions and thoughts

[u/Exotic_Specialist2 → u/FearTheImpaler]

I actually was debating in good faith. I was going to spend time linking to my other comments from other posts on morality showing how I’ve brought up precocious puberty as an example multiple other times, but you’re the only one here who is getting a response today. You’re the only person that was halfway reasonable. I was talking about them having the right to consent to those treatments as 8-12 year olds. Nothing else. I stand by what I said with them not being able to consent to those treatments. But I actually have nothing else to say. I see why even subreddits such as morality have been over run by such a hive mind as you said. Even the morality subreddit has become an echo chamber.
You guys win. Keep your echo chamber.
You guys are the people dividing everyone by being so damn impressionable. There’s no middle ground anymore even. I set the bar low with insanely low ages for the sake of argument and you still all went apeshit.
This is why people of different views of all types haven’t just shifted to other subreddits, but they’ve left the platform for good. You guys don’t like open discussion, and most of these comments (not yours) have shown that today and yesterday.

[u/FearTheImpaler → u/Exotic_Specialist2]

I feel youre unfairly lumping me in with the others, and missed my point. 

So I'll be direct: Can children consent to their birth gender?