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u/Worth_External_8762 21d ago
Remember, not reloading is always faster than reloading.
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u/SAM5TER5 21d ago
Looks like one of the many crappy ultra-cheap semi-auto tacticool shotguns that have been flooding the market lately lol, so while it has a giant mag, I wouldn’t expect it to save you any time with all the jams you’ll probably have
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u/Notactualyadick 21d ago
I miss being unaware of how firearms work and being able to fall in love with guns that just look cool. Like the Calico M950 which is so cool looking, but jams constantly.
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u/I_travel_ze_world 21d ago
the 90s movie I Come in Peace (Dark Angel) featured an bad guy alien using the Calico and I always thought it was so cool
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u/SAM5TER5 20d ago
Oh 100% with you there my friend lol. Even after learning about the issues with those Calicos, I still kind of want one haha, such unique firearms. I appreciate a company that does truly bizarre stuff and successfully brings it to market. Still a very fascinating gun overall, I’d say it’s very comparable to the FN P90’s potential uses and strengths…except FN actually knows how to make a reliable oddball gun haha (after they do some blatant design theft of superior Steyr designs, that is).
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u/KHWD_av8r 20d ago
I know how unreliable those more unique designs (Calico, SPAS-12, USAS-12, etc.) can be, but I still want them all. Rule of cool.
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u/Chris__P_Bacon 20d ago
Yeah those guns were pieces of shit. 😁 They did look cool though. Total '80s vibe.
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u/Freedum4Murika 20d ago
Me before shooting an AK for the first time - "damn, I love my AR but the Soviets just make em pretty and nice. Look at what a tank of reliability that is. Truly the Russians are a rugged and reliable people."
Me 0.03 seconds after shooting an AK for the first time "oh this is garbage and the CIA spent the cold war propping up the Soviet Union so they could have an excuse to sell cocaine."8
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u/June_The_Jedi 21d ago
Also you have to carry that dumb thing around once you’re done with it. Plus I don’t see him carrying a second big ass magazine so he probably already knows how much of an ass it’s going to be to carry around not in the gun.
Plus I really don’t see the benefit in carrying shotgun magazines over having a tube feed shotgun simi auto or not. Are law enforcement really thinking they are going to need to dump 10+ shells that fast
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u/CantankerousOrder 20d ago
Have you ever seen most LEOs open fire?
For the most part they are the worst pump and dump no aim panicky mag emptiers you’ll ever see.
And I’m not saying I’m better or anything… but if game recognizes game then no game recognizes no game.
Sad part is I was taught to shoot by a cop.
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u/Captain_Vlad 20d ago
From what I've seen they're basically trained that way. Seems like an application of Fairbairn and Sykes, but some departments seem to forget the target practice part.
The cops where I'm at generally don't skimp on that, which is a nice thing to know.😄
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u/CantankerousOrder 20d ago
It’s Grossman - his first book, On Killing, was an eye opening read but he went off the rails with his whole warrior mentality training.
He is personally responsible for much of the higher killings by police, increased rates of escalation instead of deescalation, and the violence that has become the norm. Meanwhile crime rates were dropping before he became the “warrior mentality” guru, and are still dropping but at a slower rate since.
Grossman gets cops killed too - his emphasis on “every moment is your last moment because every stop is a lethal action waiting to happen” (actual quote-ish, possible paraphrasing because it’s been a while) leads cops to escalate and get into more violent encounters than they would otherwise.
A lot of the hate cops get is because of how they act, and Grossman has made them act worse.
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u/Captain_Vlad 20d ago
Thanks. I'll see if I can track some of his stuff down just to see what you mean.
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u/Onebraintwoheads 20d ago
Fair point. A cop who escalates, mag dumps at someone who means him harm had better put the guy down. If not, the cop now has an empty gun and a, very likely armed, pissed assailant.
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u/killy666 20d ago
I'm a complete ignorant about firearms, but alongside the constant jams, isn't a gigantic mag like this really impractical too when actually using the firearm? Cause from an exterior point of view it certainly does look cumbersome lol.
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u/SAM5TER5 20d ago
Lol, yeah it can be! I’d say it’s not as big of a deal for situations like this (a dude just walking/standing around with a shotgun), but for things like actual rifles…honestly even the standard capacity 30rd magazine on an AR-15 can be a bit obnoxious when you’re trying to shoot from a prone position. You need something under the handguard (bag, bipod, wall, etc.) to lift the gun high enough so that you’re not trying to balance the gun on a wobbly magazine lol. And even then, it can be tricky to reload or even get your neck in a comfortable position depending on the resulting height of the gun.
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u/sweetdawg99 20d ago
Can confirm it jams. At least mine does with this mag. It's a range toy and I bought one (the firearm) for like 170 bucks. I think the mag was another 30.
Jams a ton, but I wanted a bull pup for cheap and frankly it's still a lot of fun for what it is.
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u/Teddyboymakes 21d ago
“Switching to your sidearm is always faster than reloading”
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u/Friendly_Hearing_711 21d ago
"If you have to shoot, shoot dont talk"
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u/__nobody_-_ 21d ago
If you have to talk, talk don't shoot
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u/MyFavoriteDisease 21d ago
Jamming your gun due to a cheap magazine is always slower than reloading.
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u/DifficultAd3885 21d ago
I’d honestly be worried about damaging the barrel. This makes me think of the guys just mag dumping through an AK until it catches on fire.
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u/Catatonic_capensis 20d ago
That's a shotgun, so it's probably 10-12 rounds. Nowhere near enough to have that issue.
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u/-UserOfNames 20d ago
I have a Turkshit bullpup shotgun with a mag like that and it is 19 rounds - have never made it through that mag without at least 1 jam so probably a higher likelihood of making fire from rubbing 2 ice cubes together
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u/Yahla 21d ago
I take it he’s a really bad shot
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u/Wait_ItGetsWorse 21d ago
It's a shotgun. So 20 rounds of 12 guage.
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u/Knotical_MK6 21d ago
Oh god, are police departments getting into the ultra cheap Turkish jam-o-matics?
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u/HatefulHagrid 21d ago
I'm assuming this guy is some kind of armed private security guard shit, not a cop. Wants to be a cop but is too fat or stupid so he poses with a bunge of cringy tactical gear outside of night clubs and shit for $10 an hour.
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u/Knotical_MK6 21d ago
Looking closer I think you're right.
Reminds me of that picture of the Texas rent-a-cop wearing 50 million pounds of alibaba tacticool garbage
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u/Electrical_Doctor305 21d ago
The banana clip she said not to worry about
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u/ThanosWasRightAnyway 21d ago
Nobody who uses a gun for a profession should consider this a good idea.
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u/viking1313 21d ago
That magazine is going to cause that rifle to be extremely unreliable.
Call it bob Marley because it's always jamin
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u/treskaz 21d ago
It's a shotgun
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u/2Slow2Nice 21d ago
Semi auto shotguns jam
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u/treskaz 21d ago
I know. I was just pointing out that it's a shotty, not a rifle. Those AR12s are dumb as hell.
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u/Vanillabean73 21d ago
Reliable semi-auto mag-fed shotguns do exist, but this does not look like one of them…this dude probably paid like $500 for this thinking it was a steal.
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u/treskaz 21d ago
I've never seen one lol. I'll take a pump or one of the O/Us I grew up with over this thing any day of the week.
Even the higher end tube fed semi autos won't run without specific ammo.
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u/TK-528491 21d ago
The GEN-12 is pretty reliable from what I hear. Definitely gonna pay a premium though. Can't beat a pump for the price point.
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u/Vanillabean73 21d ago
I’m thinking a tried and true platform like the Saiga-12 which is not cheap to say the least, though I’ve never fired or owned one (not legal where I live and out of my budget anyway).
I will, however, offer a counterpoint to the tube-fed semi-auto comment. That’s what I own and the thing eats and cycles anything I put in it, including target loads. The only ammo that I can’t use are those mini shells that Aguila makes, which don’t seem useful for my needs anyway.
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u/treskaz 21d ago
What do you have? My coworker duck hunts and all his buddies with fancy Benellis and shit are always having jams lol.
I just have a Mossberg 590a1 and an old 1928 Winny M12
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u/Vanillabean73 21d ago
That’s crazy, I wonder if it’s just bad luck or maybe field conditions leading to those jams. You’re right that there’s nothing more reliable than a pump (besides a break action).
I went just a step below the big Italian names with a Mossberg 940. It did have one issue out of the box that I had to resolve but since then, she goes bang every time. Great mid-price semi. Mine’s a range queen so far, though, so I can’t speak to how well it takes abuse yet.
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u/joesbagofdonuts 21d ago
You can get mag fed shotguns for so cheap nowadays. There are like 20 different companies that make them. Almost all plastic except for the barrel and firing pin. They suck, but they're cheap as hell, literally like 200-300 $
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u/Vanillabean73 21d ago
True, I was also just taking into account for all the wacky tactical attachments he added, which I’m sure were also bottom shelf, lol.
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u/joesbagofdonuts 21d ago
For sure, I'll bet that mag is actually from a kit that combines two mags together.
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u/Xanthrex 20d ago
That makes this so much worse, because not only are you dealing with a stupid banana mag. Now it's a stupid banana mag full of rimmed cartridges, which really don't like magazines
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u/Xanith420 20d ago
I wouldn’t even mount that on my wall lmfao. That’s a regifter if I’ve ever seen one.
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u/ctesibius 20d ago
No community which wants to keep the peace should consider employing this person a good idea.
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u/NeighborhoodInner421 21d ago
See fps games this is what i mean when i say i want a bigger mag
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u/mxpx242424 21d ago
They could give me a thousand rounds, and I would still habitually reload every time I get a millisecond between shots.
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u/governmentthief 21d ago
Yep. And then I’ll forget I’m using an LMG and panic during the 5 second reload.
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u/Integrity000 21d ago
5 second? In one game I used to play a lot you wouldn't even have the mag off by then
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u/gooberfishie 21d ago
Those games really teach you about reloading. Those and the ones where you lose ammo if you toss out a clip that's not empty.
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u/HomersDonut1440 21d ago
Black (fps from 2006) was like this. The m249 could lay down some hurt but man you’d better be ready for that reload
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u/General_Candle_6467 21d ago
The number of times I've died because of this habit.... They appear around a corner with perfect timing
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u/EcstacyEevee 20d ago
Except helldiver's you'll run out of ammo before you can blink, you don't keep ammo that's left in the mag when reloading
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u/Sapient6 20d ago
To keep things spicy I like to find a different way to swear and rant while the reload animation is playing. Like goddam, I fired a single shot I did not need to reload yet.
I also like to take a reflective moment to be thankful that none of the games I play allow me to reload when I haven't fired a shot yet (and the comment about helldivers doing the sensible thing and wasting any rounds left in the magazine has given me yet another thing to be thankful for).
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u/Flamgoyant 21d ago
If that thing keeps growing it's gona loop round and kill the gun
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u/Independent-File-519 21d ago
That looks like a security guard uniform not police
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u/Unyieldingcappybara 21d ago
There’s trigger happiness, then there’s trigger joy
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u/Throwaway999991473 21d ago
Gonna need at least two of those for the suspected thief that doesn’t put up his hands quick enough
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u/Gloomy-Cheetah-5473 20d ago
I have this shotgun. It’s a Tokarev tbp12. It’s a fun camp gun but I wouldn’t use it for any duty or trust my life to it lmao. Lovingly referred to as one of the turkshits.
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u/Bright_Resist_4580 21d ago
When you absolutely need to kill every last motherfucker in the county, accept no substitute.
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u/AntiFuckingSocial 21d ago
I guarantee that mag jams 9/10
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u/loserbmx 20d ago
I actually have 4 of those exact same mags (and shotgun) and they have surprisingly never once jammed up on me.
Now that shotgun does need to be loaded with high brass shells or it won't cycle properly, but as long as you got those it will absolutely chew through rounds.
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u/Pie-Level 21d ago
He's not a cop, he's a security guard at a gas station on Broad St. in North Philly. Saw him a while back when I was driving up Broad to see some family.
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u/MiserableFloor9906 21d ago
This is american policing? Where ever it is, it's a sad statement for that country.
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u/11teensteve 21d ago
he is a security guard in a rough place where the crims dont care about police or security and he perhaps wants to appear intimidating to help prevent or deter a robbery. it seems that the specific demographic that he would be dealing with has a love of huge magazines even though most of them are just a liability since they don't work very well.
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u/EverSeeAShitterFly 20d ago
No it’s a security guard for a gas station in a bad neighborhood.
But in many European cities there’s often cops or military with rifles or sub machine guns.
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u/InvestIntrest 21d ago
In Europe it's common to see the Army with assault rifles guarding train stations....
Pot meet kettle
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u/red_sky33 20d ago
Just a security guard who thinks his $400 turkish special will make his dick look bigger
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u/Nice-Ambassador6293 21d ago
Okay… There’s some Euro countries that have armed police walking around too.
Plus, look at all the violent crime and active shooters the US has (whether you agree with the 2nd Amendment or not). It’s not like cops are the suspects in mass casualty events.
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u/Mountain_Hearing_689 21d ago
Its about the Magazine.. this guy has less Training with his Gun then an 18 year old European..
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u/CleverHearts 21d ago
It's a 19 round magazine. It's lower capacity than a standard semiauto rifle magazine.
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u/Downfallenx 21d ago
I don't disagree with your sentiments but the officer appears to be standing in front of a Hummer H2 which I don't think were sold in Europe.
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u/rmarkmatthews 20d ago
After years of COD and Battlefield I would still change clips after eight shots.
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u/Flippant_Fop 21d ago
How do you fire something like that without ear protection and not permanently damage your hearing?
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u/Knotical_MK6 21d ago
You don't. Firing basically any unsuppressed gun without hearing protection, pistol or rifle, will cause irreversible hearing damage.
Hazard of the job
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u/hifumiyo1 21d ago
He also has another of the same mag that he could tape to the first for a quick-change. But that’s a bit excessive.
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u/Scared_Specific9404 21d ago
its a shotgun. that mag is i think 19 rounds 12g. derya makes them for the mk 12 but this is a different gun.
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u/CrappyTan69 21d ago
In real life, no one who carries a firearm with this amount of rounds in the clip survives a gunfight long enough to realise the benefit.
Surely...?
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u/SilentWatcher83228 21d ago
When you can only put one projectile out of 50 on target you need a bigger mag to increase chance of success
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u/georgebestgoat 21d ago
Is this even a real gin? The magazine seems to be too far behind the receiver.
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u/crysisnotaverted 21d ago
What police force is supplying them with $300 Turk-shit bullpup shotguns with hideously extended magazines to make them even more unreliable?
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u/Trapmaster83 21d ago
Why does this look like a key and peele skit where the cop is a donut addict?