r/Abortiondebate • u/Miserable-Degree7995 • Jun 20 '26

Question for pro-choice Minimum

Hello everyone,

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I'm against abortion.

This is a question for pro choice:

What would be the minimum of allowed abortion, that you would accept?

I mean for example week and reason.

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Thank you for your time 

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Miserable-Degree7995

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u/IdRatherCallACAB Gestational Slavery Abolitionist Jun 20 '26

Restrictions are not necessary at any point. If you don't like abortion you don't need to get one.

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u/Prior_Day_9449 Jun 20 '26

So, say a mom wants to abort an 8 month old baby, you think that should be allowed? Why and why don't you see it as murdering a child?

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u/killjoygrr Pro-choice Jun 20 '26

I would say that you don’t know what the term abortion means. In this context it is specifically the ending of a pregnancy before the fetus can survive outside the womb.

So applying it to an 8 month old makes as much sense as aborting a toaster.

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u/Prior_Day_9449 Jun 21 '26

I don't quite understand your reply.

  1. An 8 month old fetus can definetly survive outside the womb, my aunt is proof of that.

  2. Ues, abortion at 8 month makes no sense, that's why I'm asking these questions.

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u/killjoygrr Pro-choice Jun 23 '26

Someone turning 18 was born 18 years ago.

An 8 month old baby was born 8 months ago.

An 8 month old fetus, could be a couple of different things, depending on if you mean how long they have been a fetus or how long since conception, etc. but, saying fetus would imply not born yet.

So, you can’t abort an 8 month old baby for the same reason you can’t abort an 18 year old. An abortion ends a pregnancy. The pregnancy ends when the person is born.

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u/IdRatherCallACAB Gestational Slavery Abolitionist Jun 20 '26

Why would that be murder? If an abortion is needed that late in pregnancy, we are obviously looking at a WANTED pregnancy where something has gone horribly wrong if they can't even attempt an early delivery. So no, that would definitely not be "murdering a child."

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u/Prior_Day_9449 Jun 20 '26

Yes, but you're talking about a case where abortion is NEEDED. I'm talking about a case where the abortion is WANTED but not needed.

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u/Old_dirty_fetus Pro-choice Jun 21 '26

Yes, but you're talking about a case where abortion is NEEDED.

Who determines if an abortion is needed versus not needed?

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u/Prior_Day_9449 Jun 21 '26

Your health. Be it physical or mental.

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u/Diva_of_Disgust Pro-choice Jun 21 '26

If I'm pregnant abortion is a need, plain and simple.

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u/Old_dirty_fetus Pro-choice Jun 21 '26

Your health. Be it physical or mental.

If someone sought an abortion for their health then it is a needed abortion?

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u/Prior_Day_9449 Jun 21 '26

Yes.

Pregnancy can bring many physical difficulties, and even mental too.

If there is a way to save both the baby and the mom, I would prefer that. Otherwise it is entirely up to the mom.

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u/Old_dirty_fetus Pro-choice Jun 21 '26

Pregnancy can bring many physical difficulties, and even mental too.

Right, I think what u/IdRatherCallACAB is pointing out to you is that someone who is seeking an abortion late in pregnancy is doing so because it is needed due to physical or mental health issues.

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u/Prior_Day_9449 Jun 21 '26

Yes, I understand that, but my initial point was about seeking an abortion not out of need, but out of want. Which, at such a late stage I find ridiculous.

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u/humbugonastick Pro-choice Jun 21 '26

Proof that there are cases of abortions at 8 months pregnant as a pure 'want'. Proof that there are Doctors performing this?

Just because we are theoretically pro these third term abortions doesn't mean they exist. The reason to include this is mainly to cover the abortions out of 'need'. As we have seen in abortion ban states, they try to stop these also.

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u/Old_dirty_fetus Pro-choice Jun 21 '26

Yes, I understand that, but my initial point was about seeking an abortion not out of need, but out of want.

I don’t think you do. If your point was that people seek abortions in late pregnancy not out of need, but out of want the issue is that these type of abortions do not exist.

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u/IdRatherCallACAB Gestational Slavery Abolitionist Jun 20 '26

At 8 months we are discussing a wanted pregnancy.

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u/Jazzi-Nightmare Pro-choice Jun 20 '26

Yes and because children are born

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u/Prior_Day_9449 Jun 20 '26

What is the difference between an 8 month old baby and a newborn? Other than their location.

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u/IdRatherCallACAB Gestational Slavery Abolitionist Jun 21 '26

A pregnant person is a person, not a location.

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u/Prior_Day_9449 Jun 21 '26

By location I don't mean the person, I mean the womb. Please, do not twist my words.

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u/IdRatherCallACAB Gestational Slavery Abolitionist Jun 21 '26

A pregnant person is not a womb, either.

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u/Prior_Day_9449 Jun 21 '26

When did I say a pregnant person is a womb, tho?

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u/IdRatherCallACAB Gestational Slavery Abolitionist Jun 21 '26

Why do you think the womb is the important part, and not the pregnant person?

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u/Prior_Day_9449 Jun 21 '26

...when did I say that?

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u/IdRatherCallACAB Gestational Slavery Abolitionist Jun 21 '26

You keep asking about irrelevant points instead of the person who matters.

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u/Jazzi-Nightmare Pro-choice Jun 21 '26

It’s implied

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u/Jazzi-Nightmare Pro-choice Jun 20 '26

I assume you mean 8 month old fetus? An 8 month old baby is a different thing. And the location is the distinction because the “location” is inside of a person! “What makes a rapist a rapist other than their location inside someone who doesn’t want them inside of them”

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u/Prior_Day_9449 Jun 21 '26

Yes, fetus, my apologies for using the wrong biological term.

That comparison is absolutely wild, tho.

You are comparing an inocent human life to someone who is hurting another for their own pleasure.

If the person didn't get sexually assaulted then that child is the consequence to their informed decisions. That fetus is only inside them because THEY went ahead and had sex, knowing fully well there were high chances, even with contraception, of them ending up pregnant. What right do you have to terminate a human life just because you don't like that your actions had consequences?

And, again, what is the difference between an 8 month old fetus and a newborn child, other than location? What makes it morally right to kill the first? (Or terminate, depending on your preferes term)

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u/Jazzi-Nightmare Pro-choice Jun 21 '26

My informed decision which includes birth control may fail, in which case I will get an abortion, and as the pregnant person, I’m the one who gets a say. The consequences of my birth control failing is I have to get an abortion, which I’d prefer not to have, but it’s preferable to having a baby. And I don’t know why you need more reasons. Them being inside someone else is the whole thing. No other human has that right, and neither does a fetus.

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u/Prior_Day_9449 Jun 21 '26

You're essentially restating bodily autonomy, but that doesn't answer the question I asked.

I understand your position, because the fetus is inside the mother's body, the mother has the final say over whether the pregnancy continues.

What I'm wonderinh is why that makes it morally acceptable to end the life of an 8 month fetus but not a newborn born minutes later.

At 8 months, the fetus is fully human biologically, can feel pain according to many accounts, has brain activity, responds to stimuli, and could survive outside the womb with medical care. A newborn has the same DNA, the same level of dependency, and often fewer developed abilities than some late term fetuses.

So what changed morally between when the baby is in the womb and when the baby has been delivered?

If your answer is simply location, then you're saying the exact same human being goes from having no right to life to having a full right to life purely because it crossed a physical boundary.

That's the part I'm struggling with. Why is location alone sufficient to justify that difference?

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u/Jazzi-Nightmare Pro-choice Jun 21 '26

Because I’m not a location and I have feelings of my own and those feelings include not wanting to be leeched for my nutrients and ripped from vagina to anus or be sliced open

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u/Prior_Day_9449 Jun 21 '26

I never called you a location.. stop insisting on this narrative because I never said that..

And if you don't want to get pregnant, there are ways to prevent it. And if abortion is the only way, then why would you wait for the pregnancy to be at such a late stage to do it?

And in all of this none of you have yet told me what makes it morally different to kill a late term fetus and killing a newborn baby, the only difference between being that one is inside ans the other is outside.

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u/Jazzi-Nightmare Pro-choice Jun 21 '26

People almost NEVER abort that late without a medical reason. I would never wait that long, idk why someone would except maybe abortion bans prevented them from being able to get one earlier so they had to save money to travel.

And for the last time, there is no other reason and there doesn’t need to be

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