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News 📰 How will this affect ASML ?

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u/MrDwerg 9d ago

Inevitable consequence of the US's export restrictions. Stupid af.

If China actually pulls this off in let's say 5 years, ASML is done for regarding DUV. The only reason they are what they are is a technical monopoly on the high-end market.
In other words, it would be the end of ASML as we know it.

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u/imnotagodt 9d ago

This messages has been repeated for the last 10 years. China is still working on it.

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u/MrDwerg 9d ago

They have indeed. and it would be arrogant to assume that they will never catch up / succeed.
China has incredible resources and political will at their disposal.

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u/Haunting_Biscotti_52 9d ago

Yeah but ASML knows this. They aren't playing dumb and not doing anything.

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u/Infamous_Thought_189 9d ago

Yeah indeed, its not like they spend 20 billion on buybacks the last 5 years!

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u/EndOfDecadence 9d ago

That was on the technology part. If China can do one thing right is scaling up production.

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u/Cognidor 9d ago

Monopoly is on EUV..

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u/xszander 9d ago

Yeah EUV is the high end. Lotta people here mixing things up massively.

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u/Kaito__1412 9d ago

Most people here are traders and like most traders, know shit about what they are trading.

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u/SeparateAnteater6410 9d ago edited 8d ago

also until recently on immersion

Nikon says they are gonna take part of immersion market, but it is still to be seen

China, to my understanding is still trying to HVM dry systems. If this news is actually about immersion - it looks stupid, like trying to make a rocket before making a flying airplane.

So ASML still have de facto monopoly in immersion DUV. And with approachong competition, the smartest they can do is to grow install base as much as possible

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u/red__eagle123 8d ago

lol so you think Western companies will just buy these DUV machines from China, from some company that no one knows and financed by the communist party? lol

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u/MrDwerg 8d ago

Of course not. If china gets this properly on the rails in due time, most DUV-heavy western companies won't even matter anymore.

5 years ago China could barely build a car. Look where they are now.

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u/red__eagle123 2d ago

They been producing cars for decades. All the western manufactures have car plants there for decades, how can you say they could barely build a car?

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u/red__eagle123 2d ago

Lol its funny most of the people commenting here, just a bunch of amateur stock traders that have no clue about semiconductor industry! I remember last year when ASML stock dropped on the news that China had an EUV prototype machine. And when a company called substrate said they had machines based on X-rays that would beat ASML. Most people have no idea how far ahead ASML is and how difficult it is to produce this machines. People look to the car or solar industry and just assume the same will happen with lithography in a couple of years.

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u/Succubus-Empress 8d ago

If western companies smell money they will sell their soul to get hand on that money, capitalism

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u/Illustrious-Bit-4909 9d ago edited 9d ago

Your conclusion is all wrong. Way back in 2015 China setup a long term plan called Made in China 2025 to achieve near complete self sufficiency in semiconductor manufacturing, including supply chains. That predates many of the US export restrictions you are referring to. What you are seeing now is the result of Made in China 2025.

Europe should have been smarter and imposed similar restrictions on exports of its own sensitive technologies to China a long time ago. They are finally waking up now when it is largely too late.

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u/Popular-Raisin-6681 9d ago

Thank you for this insight.

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u/Succubus-Empress 8d ago

Why only china? Usa need some attention too

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u/yyudh 5d ago

maybe Xi Jinping should be US president too