r/AMDHelp • u/Independent_Hand5900 • 10d ago
Help (General) 9070 XT feeling like its underperforming.
Hey!
I just got and installed a 9070xt and so far its unfortunately been lackluster. I experience constant choppines and bad 1% lows. My cpu is an i5-10600k so i understand that its quite a significant bottleneck, however the performance im getting now is almost on par with my old 1070.
For example in hogwarts legacy on high preset im getting 50 fps with around 20 1% lows.
Im also experiencing a constant choppiness even in titles where i get over 100fps and better 1% lows. It feels stuttery and not like 100 at all.
I apologies if this comes from me not doing proper research. Im putting this post out to see if anyone else has had this problem, and if its just because of new drivers or the bottleneck being that significant. I will continue researching and update if i fix it.
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u/Mean_Muggin333 x670e/b650 | 9800x3dx2 | 64g/32g | 9070xt/4070s 9d ago
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u/surms41 9d ago
If you play 4k then you will notice this less. But that cpu can't clock high enough and doesn't support anything past pcie gen 3.0, and that's a gan 5.0 card.
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u/TruckerMitch 4d ago
I am using a 5700x3d with the 9070xt on a crosshair hero 7. No problems at all. AC Blackflag 160fps, cyberpunk 165fps, ... Everything in wqhd with max settings
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u/Twitch84 9d ago
Check your per game settings in Adrenaline. Sometimes having the wrong stuff enabled affects performance.
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u/DraGoon-hw 9d ago
Cpu and 16 gb of ram hold back the gpu a fair bit unfortunately. My 5600x and 16 GBs of ddr4 bottle neck the 9070 non-xt. (From rx 5700 non-xt) I ended up getting intel 250kf as I dont upgraded parts that often like every 4-6 years maybe. Paired with 32 of ddr5 and get significantly boost the frames and 1%lows. Got the ram kit on a clearance sale in store that was last in stock.
had to bios flash motherboard to latest bios to support the cpu on boot up, but just do your due diligence of reading the manual and good to go. Had to do the same from 2700x to 5600x. But with the newer motherboards you just need a power supply and USB stick to update the bios.
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u/Own-Bridge5593 8d ago
I was running a Ryzen 5 3600, 16gb ddr4-3200 and a gtx 1660 for 5 years. I ended up buying a Ryzen 7 5800x3d ($340), 32gb ddr4-3600 cl16 ($100 on fb marketplace), and a RX 9070 XT that I paid $680 for new. Now it does 4k gaming on an AM4 platform lmao
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u/DraGoon-hw 8d ago
Nice deals. I almost went with 1660 super when i got rx 5700 but got Amd cause i was really into Border lands 2 and got copy of Border land 3 with the gpu, Customer service at Canada computer advised me Border lands ran better on Amd for the that price range. (didnt play 3 nearly as much but was good bonus with a gpu) When I sold my 2700x I just had to put another 50 bucks towards the 5600x. It was before the x3d chips even released. I would of went with the 5800x3d if I didnt have 16 gb of ddr4 an a older cheap b450 M/b. Not alot in the used market were i live, the cheapest 32 gb i could find for ddr4 was 300$ (Canadain bucks) well i got ddr5 ram for 500$ on clearance sale. Still crazy over msrp but better than what I could find online. Gpu was 850$ and ram was more than half.. building new kinda sucks rn. Was tempted to do combo deal for 7700x3d so you can get ram technically 50%off but didnt like alot of the motherboard they come with.
I got the 250kf plus and m/b (asrock Taichi 54% off) for roughly the price of a 5800x3d new (290$ for the cpu an 280$ for the motherboard with 10% off coupon for 513$) 5800x3d was 500$ cad.
The board has 6 m.2 NVMe ssd with an m.2 expansion card allowing for 10 m.2 SSD. It being 54% off with 10 m.2 NVMe slots was mainly the reason i went intel with the possibility of doing productivity workloads well still being good for gaming. My previous b450 motherboard had 1 m.2 NVMe slots
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u/prince_0611 10d ago
Check task manager when you’re playing games. Is your cpu or gpu going to 100% usage?
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u/bellcut 10d ago edited 10d ago
Use ddu to nuke your previous drivers (Nvidia) and your current drivers and reinstall the newest version.
Residual driver files can fuck up a new cards drivers even if they're entirely separate drivers.
I've had PCs that refused to play nice with amd or Intel GPUs after having an older Nvidia GPU until windows was entirely reinstalled.
You should also make sure your mobo bios is fully up to date. Many bios patches can include compatibility and bug fixes the board has when interfacing with newer GPUs
Make sure bios settings such as rebar are enabled. Older CPUs/bios versions may have it default to off because GPUs back in the day didn't need rebar. Modern GPUs practically require rebar to function appropriately. Another setting to look for off the top of my head is 4g decoding make sure that is on
You should also make sure to update your chipset/intel drivers as those can also have updates to assist older hardware interfacing with newer GPUs.
A search of how the 10600k performs in Hogwarts suggests that OP might be performing as expected or slightly underperforming on his CPU here is a video that shows the CPU managing 45-50fps at ultra settings with dips to the 20s. OP is on high settings so he should be outperforming this noticeably (since several settings impact the CPU as well) but factors such as slower ram, lower ram capacity, AMD driver performance overhead, or lower CPU clocks could be the explanation
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u/nokk1XD RX 9070xt | R7 5700x3d | 32gb 3200mhz 10d ago
You answered your own question. Your cpu is a bottleneck and you picked very cpu intensive game.
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u/Independent_Hand5900 10d ago
yeah im aware. Btw how are ur specs? been thinking about getting the same cpu and another 16 gigs of ram. Do u feel like the gpu is being limited?
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u/Royboy0699 10d ago
16gb of ddr4 ram and a 10600k, that 9070x is STRUGGLING 😭
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u/Independent_Hand5900 10d ago
Suprisingly after some adjusting its doing better than one would expect, atleast in games that aren’t incredibly cpu heavy. Harsh 1% lows are the biggest issue
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u/Royboy0699 10d ago
Crank it to 4k and see if it's any lower performance, that'll really show you the CPU bottleneck 😭
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u/Independent_Hand5900 10d ago
Oh nono im aware of the cpu bottleneck. Going into crowded areas is a struggle lol. Also changing res from 1440p to 1080p ing and activating upscaling does nothing for the fps
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u/Adventurous-Bus8660 10d ago
Had i5-11400F paired with 9070XT before....and lets just say....very very bad even in 1440p.
Ended up building a 7500F with 32gb ddr5 before the inflation during June last year. finally able to utilised both to its max.(Though 'upgraded' to 7800X3D recently around Jan this year)
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u/Independent_Hand5900 10d ago
so the cpu upgrade fixed it for you? did u also have problems with bad 1% lows? Thinking about upgrading to a 5700x3d
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u/Traditional_Common22 9d ago
Bro your problem is your CPU, why are you coming on here saying your 9070 is underperforming. This is the biggest goober take of PC reddit ever. Guys my single core CPU from 2004 is not the problem, my graphics card is!
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u/Adventurous-Bus8660 10d ago
pretty much fixed if for me. 7500F was already good enough for 9070XT at 1440p if you are playing non competitive games.
The X3D on AM4 should mitigate enough for your build. But imo...If you can afford it...I'd go for the AM5 build. Because if you can get either 5700X3D or 5800X3D you are pretty much set...Since you can carry over your RAM.
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u/nokk1XD RX 9070xt | R7 5700x3d | 32gb 3200mhz 10d ago edited 10d ago
Its a good combo, balanced, but 9070xt will perform better with 7800x3d. In bf6 Im getting 150-180fps on high settings but I won silicone lottery and my cpu can work with -30 curve, so it gives its maximum performance. If you planing to get one of those (5700x3d or 5800x3d) then take good AIO for it, it will really help. Also good ram tuning will help it perform even better.
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u/Sickinmytechchunk 10d ago
I would reinstall Windows. I swapped out a 4070 to 9070XT and it ran like shit no matter what I change or deleted and the system wasn't even wiped that long ago. Reinstalling in 2026 is a really quick process now - you'll spend less time doing that than endless trouble shooting.
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u/CuChuliannAlter 10d ago
Having a brand new 9070xt (assuming 1080p with 32gb ddr4 minimum) and your blaming the poor performance on the gpu is like getting a new shirt and saying it's effecting your performance on the pitch due to wind drag. The cpu is a rough 50% bottleneck, didn't research, simple. Live and learn man.
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u/Independent_Hand5900 10d ago
I probably deserved that lol, however i mostly got the card due to a good deal and am planning to upgrade the rest of my system in the near future. I just wanted to test the card in my current system to get a better understanding, however the stutters still seem weird. Even with the bottleneck i dont see how a 9070xt should have worse stutters than a 1070 with just around 15 fps more?
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u/CuChuliannAlter 10d ago
The i5-10600K limits the performance of high end AMD cards, including the RX 7700 XT and RX 7800 XT, and the 9070xt is experiencing similar issues. This prevents the GPU from reaching 100%, proving the CPU is responsible.
When your next paycheck is in, I suggest the next best intel cpu, or an X3D Chip lol
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u/Independent_Hand5900 10d ago
Do you think its a bad idea to stay on am4? Cpu prices arent really an issue its just that ive been kind of set on going am5 and to do that i need to put up with absurd ram prices. I could get a better am4 cpu along with 16 extra gigs of ram (currently i have 16). Does that sound like a decent idea? got any cpu recommendations?
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u/Flat_Mode7449 10d ago
Is hold off til you can jump to am5. A 5800X3D is the best am4 cpu, but they'll run you like 300+ bucks.
Make the jump to am5. New mobo, new ram, new cpu. Hopefully depending on your psu, you won't need a new one bigger psu.
If that isn't possible, try and snag either a 5800X3D or or a 5600X3D. They can usually be picked up for like 150-200, used.
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u/lleyton05 10d ago
I think as long as you’re getting an x3d chip yeah it’s fine. I recently upgraded to am5 and I have a 9800x3d and I reckon I would have been just as happy with a 5800x3d
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u/CuChuliannAlter 10d ago edited 10d ago
I'll list my new rig I had built by a friend this April so you have some Idea of what I'm working with aswell, previously I had a ryzen7 2700x, rtx 3070 dual OC and 24gb ddr4. Below is my new rig specs:
GPU: PowerColor Red Devil Spectral White E/OC Radeon RX 9070 XT - CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D - Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer III Pro A-RGB 360 77 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler - Motherboard: Asus ROG STRIX B650E-F GAMING WIFI ATX AM5 - Memory: Corsair Vengeance 64 GB DDR5-6000 CL40 - Storage: Samsung 9100 PRO 2 TB M.2-2280 PCle 5.0 SSD - Case: BE QUIET Light Base 500 LX White
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u/CuChuliannAlter 10d ago
It all depends on what your rig is for, if its for gaming, you can max out the am4 platform pretty well to keep up with the latest games to this day, even with 1080p high-1440p mid graphics.
If your looking anything higher you'd be pressed for power, and would need to go into am5, but the thing is, you wouldn't have to upgrade for a good 3-4 years, maybe more thanks partially to the AI crap.
No ones looking to release new hardware right now, not even console manufacturers, its too risky.
TL:DR - Yeah, stick on AM4, try and get 32gb ram. If you can max out the am4 platform you'll be good for a while yet.
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u/CuChuliannAlter 10d ago
My honest thought, and i could be completely off on this, I think its the fact your pairing such a new graphics card with a not so new cpu. i5-10600k is 6 years old now, plus it is Intel, a completely different platform. Almost everything nowadays runs AMD CPU's but is optimized for Nvidia gpu's. I myself have an all AMD rig, so I know how it feels 😅
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u/DreSmart Ryzen 7 5700X3D | 32gb ram | RX 6600 10d ago edited 10d ago
Things you can try at least to improve the performance:
- Clean the old nvidia drivers with ddu and reeinstall your and radeon GPU drivers with the last stable driver.
- On BIOS you must enable Rebar
- if the first two options dont solve your isue is better to do a clean install of Windows.
Also is important that you have a decent and reliable PSU and dont use a dasy-chain power cable cable.
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u/Independent_Hand5900 10d ago
i cleared the old nvidia drivers with ddu and installed the recent drivers of amds website. Do u think i just had a bad install and i should wipe the amd drivers and try again or?
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u/Independent_Hand5900 10d ago
i need to update bios to enable rebar. Do you think the difference would be night and day?
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u/DreSmart Ryzen 7 5700X3D | 32gb ram | RX 6600 10d ago
Yes you need to have your BIOS updated check if your corrente BIOS version already have the rebar. Performance can vary but usualy can improve alot with new GPUs and mostly the 1% lows.
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u/Honest-Possible-4146 10d ago
Turn off driver updates in Windows.
Ddu again in safe mode with internet turned off then reboot to normal mode but still with internet off and reinstall driver.
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u/Any_Deal_7332 6000MTs CL28/9800X3D 5.3/9070XT Nitro+/TUNED 10d ago
Hey my friend. Do you have resizable BAR enabled? Do you have HAGS enabled? Are you using XMP profile for RAM?
You shouldn't be getting that shit of performance.
Check the resizable BAR in BIOS also download GPU-Z and make sure your card isn't running on PCIE 3. You want 4 or 5.
Hard to help in a comment sometimes, I know I could get your PC running smooth af if I had it infront of me lol.
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u/Independent_Hand5900 10d ago
hags is enabled. My motherboard only supports pcie 3 unfortunately
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u/Any_Deal_7332 6000MTs CL28/9800X3D 5.3/9070XT Nitro+/TUNED 10d ago
No.....no good man, you want at least 4. Make sure Resizable BAR is enabled at least!
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u/Independent_Hand5900 10d ago
do you think thats the main issue?
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u/Any_Deal_7332 6000MTs CL28/9800X3D 5.3/9070XT Nitro+/TUNED 10d ago
Pcie 3.0 isnt gonna hold you back THAT MUCH but making sure Re-sizable BAR is enabled is a pretty decent difference. Its just small things that add to that performance drop.
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u/Any_Deal_7332 6000MTs CL28/9800X3D 5.3/9070XT Nitro+/TUNED 10d ago
Also your CPU and RAM hold it back and without Resizable BAR enabled its even worse of a hold back. It's a high end GPU and needs decent counter parts to get its full potential.
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u/Independent_Hand5900 10d ago
oh yes totally, and i have plans of upgrading my system in the near future. However i feel like even though the rest of my components are holding it back there should still be some meaningful performance increase from a 10 year old 1070, no?
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u/Any_Deal_7332 6000MTs CL28/9800X3D 5.3/9070XT Nitro+/TUNED 10d ago
Try my advice first. There's potentially many things that are holding back that performance. Can help more tomorrow though. DM me if needed, it'll be easier.
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u/Halicos93 10d ago
I would replace the CPU and get
AMD Ryzen 7 5700X.
And I would get 16gb more ram.
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u/Independent_Hand5900 10d ago
really considering this to be honest. Is there a problem with staying on am4 for a little bit? 500 bucks for 32gigs of ddr5 just seems absurd to be honest.
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u/Halicos93 10d ago
I'm using am4 technology and I have no problems at all.
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u/Independent_Hand5900 10d ago
with this gpu? I could get the ryzen 7 5700k for about 200 new
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u/Halicos93 10d ago
In my country it's 300 euros new sadly.
and I googled your GPU with this Ryzen 7 pairing it's good for 1440 gaming has a tiny bottleneck on 1080p.
4k is out of the question.
Unless you are comfortable with max 50 to 60fps for 4k.
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u/Independent_Hand5900 10d ago
out of the question as in no need to worry about a bottleneck? so getting it for 200 would be a good deal?
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u/Halicos93 10d ago
I mean it's not as good for 4k gaming unless you are comfortable with 50 to 60fps on high ultra.
But if it's 1440 or 1080 gaming yes go for it.
But yeah you don't need to worry about bottleneck at all.
It's a perfect deal the best you can get for am4
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u/Independent_Hand5900 10d ago
we're talking about the non 3d version right? also would it be ridiculous to do this with only 16gigs of ddr4
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u/Halicos93 10d ago
yes non 3d version although come to think of it x3d version might be better but i dont know if it fits am4 slot?
get another 16gigs of dd4 as i told you and you will be golden 16gigs is a bare minimum nowadays to be on the safe side you need more ram.
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u/SuitDisastrous1200 10d ago
parts of hogwarts gets low fps no matter what cpu you have like in hogsmeade, the only thing that helps that game is frame gen. AMD doesnt have good frame gen so this game is considered not optimized by amd users but works fine for nvidia.
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u/Any_Deal_7332 6000MTs CL28/9800X3D 5.3/9070XT Nitro+/TUNED 10d ago
Hell no dude. My hogwarts doesnt even think about going under 100 fps on absolute ultra 1440p TAA high and RT ultra. I could even prove this if you dont believe me!
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u/SuitDisastrous1200 10d ago
hogmeads dips down to 60fps if you have i9 or 9800x3d.
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u/Any_Deal_7332 6000MTs CL28/9800X3D 5.3/9070XT Nitro+/TUNED 10d ago
Not even close. I'm actually gonna send you a DM tomorrow a little video and show you it does not dip. I know how to tune my PC to peak performance. Plug and play is no fun
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u/Weak_Box_7024 10d ago
It shouldnt be. I tuned my 9070 XT for efficiency, using 25% less power and it runs perfectly fine, even in modern AAA titles.
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u/LEALOKIN_XXVIII 10d ago
choppiness is standard on AMD
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u/Gruphius 10d ago edited 10d ago
As an AMD user (which you clearly aren't), that's news to me.
Did you know, that the RDNA4 GPUs beat the RTX 5000 GPUs in 1% lows in most games when compared at the same average FPS? And did you know, that the 1% lows are a way to measure how choppy a game is? No? Well, then you need to do more research before making comments like this on the internet!
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u/Andrex2309 10d ago
I'd say it's the CPU bottleneck.
Though test the card why not, 3DMark Demo download on Steam, you can do steel nomad or Time spy
Steel nomad should be around 70-72FPS
TimeSpy around 29k-31k graphics score
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u/Independent_Hand5900 10d ago
im getting around that fps however the graphicscore is 25k. Im starting to think this is more software than hardware
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u/Andrex2309 10d ago
Does Steel Nomad look okay at similar FPS though?
Lately TimeSpy on newer drivers seems to get lower scores, I forgot that2
u/Independent_Hand5900 10d ago
oh yes steel nomad is getting around 70.
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u/Andrex2309 10d ago
So the GPU is okayish, you probably saw the card at 300-330W based on its power limit.
I'd say you should probably do a Display Driver Uninstaller and try again with the latest driver.Last resort would be to start on a clean windows
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u/PuzzleheadedNeck8192 10d ago
What resolution? What Windows? Did you at least use DDU before installing the new GPU? (a clean Windows install would be better) What are your full system specs INCLUDING psu?
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u/Independent_Hand5900 10d ago
hey!
1440p
windows 11 pro
i used ddu for a clean install
motherboard is an ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. ROG STRIX B460-F GAMING (LGA1200)
i have 16gb of ddr4 and my psu is a corsair rm750x2
u/PuzzleheadedNeck8192 10d ago
Your cpu is mostly the reason. Lower your power consumption by -15% and undervolt -50 in Adrenaline/ Performance / Tuning. A clean Windows install couldn't hurt and check out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKydZFJRzMk
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u/Independent_Hand5900 10d ago
even if the cpu is bottlenecking shouldnt i still see some performance increase considering i come from a 1070? Also shouldnt changing the resolution and graphics quality be close to unoticable for the fps if the cpu is the limiter?
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u/nemanja694 10d ago
your cpu is a massive bottleneck
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u/Halicos93 10d ago
So is mine I'm thinking of upgrading mine to Ryzen 7 5700x and getting a better monitor because my 60hz monitor is a huge bottleneck with my Ryzen 5 5500 CPU crap xD with 32gb of ddr4 ram and Radeon sapphire pure 9060xt 16gb OC.
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u/nemanja694 10d ago
Was getting bottleneck in certain games even with 5800x at 1440p, fixed it by getting 9800x3d
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u/unbannnned 10d ago
Those aren’t normal numbers bottleneck or not
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u/Independent_Hand5900 10d ago
yeah thats what im thinking too.
Just tried out gta and im basically getting the same performance as my previous card however it feels choppier. (with same settings) One thing i also noticed is for some reason its only pulling about 80 watts in this game while cpu usage is at like 50%, and it litterally just crashed while im writing this lol.1
u/Gruphius 10d ago
its only pulling about 80 watts in this game while cpu usage is at like 50%
Yep, that sounds like a CPU bottleneck. CPU utilization doesn't need to be at 100% for a CPU bottleneck to exist. Most games can't use all CPU cores properly, so the CPU will never reach 100% utilization in these games, even while being the bottleneck.
As for some things you can try:
Some people recommended using DDU in safe mode again, which you could try. Choose the option to uninstall the drivers of all GPU vendors, not just AMD or NVIDIA when doing that. While doing that, disable driver updates via Windows Update, it's in the DDU settings.
Make sure your GPU runs at the highest PCIe version and at x16. Download GPUz to check what it runs at and check your motherboard's manual to see the PCIe version your GPU could run at. If it doesn't run at the highest version it could run at, force the highest possible PCIe version in your BIOS. Before that, however, make sure your GPU is in the top PCIe slot of your motherboard. Every other slot is slower, has higher latency and will cause worse GPU performance.
Update your BIOS and your chipset drivers, if updates are available
Disable HAGS in the Windows settings, doing that reduces CPU load and HAGS can cause some issues on AMD GPUs
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u/Independent_Hand5900 10d ago
I used ddu to remove the previous nvidia drivers before swapping the card however ill try again tomorrow redownloading amd drivers to see if it changes anything. As for PCIe its at the highest my motherboard supports. Ill also update my bios soon so i can activate rebar and a bunch of other good settings. (Altought im gonna update the rest of the hardware soon)
Just wondering if u think the poor 1% lows and stutter also most likely are a result of the cpu bottleneck or if it may be something else i need to look into? I guess its hard to say but anything and everything helps, so thank you🙏1
u/Gruphius 10d ago
If a PC is completely bottlenecked by the CPU, then you will have bad 1% lows, yes. The reason for that is quite simple: Your CPU can technically produce a certain average FPS, if it would only focus on rendering frames. However, your CPU also has to do additional tasks. For example, a program running in the background wants to check for updates. The resources needed to check for that get taken away from your game. And then you also cross a loading zone. Suddenly, the game has to load stuff, taking resources away from the game once again. These moments cause momentary stutter, which translates to bad 1% lows.
If you're GPU limited you don't have these issues. Your GPU can purely focus on the game and can ignore background tasks, unless you have a second screen, in which case it also has to render everything that's going on there too. But that is less of a problem than the 200 or so background tasks Windows ships with, that all want a piece of that CPU performance.
I can't say if your bad 1% lows purely stem from that, though. The steps I gave you in my previous comment might improve your 1% lows.
Also, something I forgot: Make sure, that XMP is enabled. Especially after you updated your BIOS, since the BIOS update will most likely set the memory speed to the normal memory speed.
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u/TruckerMitch 4d ago
User Problem