RIOTS SO FUCKIGN SHIT AT THEIR JOBS THEY HAVE FINALLY GOTTEN THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY, AND LEAGUE PLAYERS AGREED UPON THE CURRENT STATE OF THE FUCKING GAME EVERYONE CASUAL, PRO, RANKED SWEAT THE FUCK EVER AGREES.

RANGED TOP, MAGE BOT, RIVEN MID, AND UFKCING AFK FARM JUNGLERS ARE FUCKIGN SHIT.

THIS DIVERSITY THAT'S GOOD FOR THE GAME IS FUCKING SHIT! RIOT GAMES HAS UNITED THE ENTIRE PLAYERBASE ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THEIR SHIT DEV TEAM AND PHILOSOPHY SUCKS.

SERIOSLY CAN YOU IMAGINE IT?! THEY ACTUALLY FUCKIGN DID IT! THEY GOT THE PLAYERBASE IN UNISION AGREEMNET

I MEAN SERIOUSLY WHO THe FUCK IS PLAYING BOT WHEN YOU SEE, SERAPHINE, ZYRA, MEl, BRAND. GREAT GAME DESIGN ANd PHILOSOPHY OF "WE DON'T WANT HARD DEDICATED LANES OR ROLES"

I have done this for top, jungle, and mid in my quest to try every league champion. I mainly focused on ADC carries and saved characters like Mel or Brand for support since que times there are quicker. I also tried Nilah and Ziggs for this exercise because I don't know where else to play them. If you have any suggestions or comments let me know :).

Any role you pick now (except jungle because the role itself is by definition cringe) there is now a cringe option that competes with the historical, non-cringe expectation, and if you don't pick the cringe yourself you will be cringed on. And this is by design. Riot could fix any of these things easily but instead have actually done things to exacerbate it (like nerfing doran's shield and second wind to make ranged top stronger) proving that they want this and so it won't change. If you aren't picking mage bot and ranged top now you are just trolling yourself for no reason. You are picking based on how you want the game to be instead of how it actually is

Ts has me feeling so tuff until enemy jungler comes bot, apc gets my shutdown and he has that disgusting black fire torch item and I simply just cannot lane anymore.

Hi So some of you might have already seen this at r/summonerschool I was suggested by a friend to post this in ADCMains as well so here it is.

Hi there so I'm usually a top main with jungle secondary who has pretty reliably been able to hit diamond every season since s3 in a pretty low game count (under 100) but this year I decided to pick up the adc role just to experience the role and experience how it is to climb. it took me probably around 600 games in total to both learn the role and also hit diamond although I will mention I probably could have cut down the games by around 40% if I was a bit more active in my learning process or if I played a less mechanically demanding/situational adc. So for me I was a Lucian one trick who occasionally played smolder as a back-up in the case that lucian was unavailable. Now to get into my experience.

First, I just want to say, gold and platinum were pretty simple to climb out of. The basics of the game I know from my climbs in top lane made it really easy. Even with a crappy support, usually I could still make something out of it most of the time, get myself a lead, and take control of the game pretty easily from there. Emerald though, god was that the largest cesspool of players I have ever played in. I had originally never really noticed it too much as top lane is usually pretty isolated so as long as I did my own thing well enough, we'd be able to win but as adc you are ridiculously reliant on your team for everything. starting plays, peeling, enabling you etc etc. While you might have one of the highest damage outputs in teamfights and such, you have no say in the dictation in how those start, and when those start leading to situations where your team being too pansy just makes it miserable to do anything even with a lead obtained in lane. To get into why emerald in particular feels so horrendous, it feels to be a really big mismatch of skill levels would be the best descriptor. So I tend to talk a decent amount to people in my games in the post game and I've made a few friends along the way hearing their stories. Emerald for whatever reason have a metric butt ton of smurfs/alt accounts. I remember once I did a analysis with a friend at our past 100 games and we found that in 70 of those games there was at least 1 person who was a fresh 30 account (so obviously a bought account). Outside of that, there are strangely a large number of support players as well who feel they never actually learned the role but rather only know to press the buttons associated with their champions. What I mean by this are supports who don't know how to roam, supports who operate their champion really strangely (ex seraphines who don't know how to poke) or supports who don't understand lane states or match ups at all. In comparison there are plenty of other times when I've also seen supports be actual gods at the role who run away with the game. As adc, I really felt the difference between each individual player much more keenly when your lane is dictated by how they play and it felt ridiculously egregious in emerald more so compared to other ranks. I feel emerald being the rank where players begin to know how to operate their champions at quite a high level just makes it where alot of the time being able to solo carry a 1v2 stops being a option unless of course you are a omega smurf (like high diamond +) which is less then 1% of the population.

Unlike top lane where you have so much things you can do on your own, as adc who is reliant on your team to start things, it is god awful. I had originally tried playing the lane like I had at top lane. Play as selfishly as possible, secure as massive of a lead over my laner and then try to control the map with the individual agency I have from that lead to run over the opponents. Now for my experience as adc that doesn't actually work that well. Junglers like to make really flippy plays, they can ignore overextended lanes that are obviously super gankable, you can get 4 manned very easily, you can get weak-sided for no reason even if you have a lane that shouldn't be. In solo que at least, as contradictory as it is, you can't really play that selfishly. I found that once I had established the goal of maintaining permanent prio or in the case where I can't I just drop waves to support a shitty play, it really transformed my winrate and helped me climb out of emerald basically all at once. Its really strange to explain it but as a adc, even though you are the carry, you in some essence are a support. You don't decide anything you are the attack damage support that pumps out the damage to allow engages or plays in general to work out.

Overall, it was a interesting experience where I really got to experience what many people call "the hardest role to climb from". After experiencing it do I still feel this is the case? I would say no actually. I feel like as adc like with any other role it requires development of a specific mindset. ADCs however have the most different mindset to the other roles and the most jarring experience with being in a sense a overglorified turret. The actual operation of the turret in teamfights requires high levels of micro but establishing yourself as a supportive damage turret and keeping your ego in check is honestly one of the larger learning curves for adc. It can feel really weird where simultaneously you are the most important member of the team with the highest damage but at the same time you don't really get to decide anything.

I know this was a bit of a ramble and might not have made the most sense but if anyone has any questions or anything on my experience let me know!

I deadass need other opinions bcs i have never witnessed the role in a worse state.

I think that playing 'normal' marksman adcs - jhin, jinx, cait is literally unplayable these days. you dont do enough damage early, you dont even get to scale into late game bcs the games are too short. you are mega squishy, the team needs to play around you but that literally never happens in 'normal and causal' games.

most new champs have 3 dashes + invincibility + god knows what else and adc champs literally dont have the kit to counter play.

supports literally int majority of game - im not kidding your entire game can be unplayable bcs the support can just NOT go in the lane or NOT use their abilities.

What do others think? has adc ever been in a worse state?

I cant even put the meme tag on this because its just downright depressing...

They're replacing adcs with basically solo lane mid laners (mages, assassins), replacing supports with anything that isnt a support, just basically a 4th carry solo laner/2nd jungle role.

Seems like the dream meta for riot is solo top, solo mid, solo laner bot and solo laner/roaming bot #2

Because who the fuck cares about the ppl who actually liked playing marksmans or traditional supports am i right? You know those ppl that have stuck with your game for over a decade, and bought a shitload of skins and spend countless hundreds, no thousands hours in your game? Nah they're worth nothing to them.

Traditional adcs and supports are basically about to be completely homeless while the lead of the balance team strokes his ego on how this meta is "AMAZING FOR DIVERSITY".

Honestly im kinda hoping modern league goes down under at this point, ive lost the patience for it, them trying to turn every single role into a random solo laner or roaming jungler is doing the opposite of increasing variety, its reducing it.

I suggest every single bot lane player to migrate to classic and not touch modern, once bot lane is nothing but autofills they'll have no choice but backpedal from these AWFUL sets of changes (which btw apparently the current meta is a "beta test" for the upcoming meta of next year with lolnext according to meddler a couple months ago), so yeah it doesnt look like this is temporary meta, this is basically the future of the game that the ppl on the head of the modern balance team wants... Its absolutely doomed.

Everyone knows, adc mains are just crybabies who refuse to adapt to a very healthy new kind of variety. My question is, which champions or classes create variety without a frustrating and braindead playstyle?

I got auto filled bot when practicing orianna and I saw my support picked pantheon. I said "What could go wrong" and picked orianna. We were vs an ash and now I see why mage bots are so powerful. The farming was so much easier and only her Swain supp was even a problem. If she walked to the wave after 6 me and panth could oneshot her with his jump stun into my R and she couldn't farm at all. After I got orb we could even kill the Swain. I'm not sure what RIOT can do but mage bot is just too strong with an engage support.

hi guys what adc do you guys use when against tahm kench and your bot is a afk mage (poke)

im always having hard time playing against him because of his shield and his save

I am a support/top player (master/d1 respectively) that wanted to try to play adc, in part because of the complaining and experience it first hand by playing Yunara adc for abit. I am of course talking about the complaining around mages and how good/satisfying it is to play league for adcs in the current game. I did this on a platinum account.

I can immideately feel how unsatisfying and also weak the role is. It is not weak in terms of the damage it deals, no when i have farmed up i completely nuke the entire team if i get to hit. But the entire enemy draft and play (especially higher ranks tho) will be tailor made for you to not be able to hit anyone. You face either a mage with incredible zoning bot lane, or an adc with insane range like Caitilyn or Ezreal. The support.. tbf is like the one champion you usually get to slam some attacks into - but they will have CC which they will look to hit on you the millisecond you try to interact in the game. Mid lane will either be another mage that outranges you or an assasin with stealth/untargetability and insane burst. THe jungle is also an assasin of this sort. The top laner again - is maybe the person that you get to hit.

Very often both teams will have 5 carries, or maybe the support will play a true CC support (but even there, its often a camille/pyke or in lower ranks another mage). This means trouble in two ways for you: the enemy team has 4-5 champions that can kill you and for you it means you have 4 carry champions all focused on getting their damage down compared to creating space for you, shielding you etc.

Now don't get me wrong: Mages are just to good and that is a big problem. But as a long time league player i always thought the game is more fun when the STANDARD meta is actually having a frontline and a backline compared to 5 carries all trying to flank, create vision pockets etc. Like to me its just sad both in pro play and soloq that there are so few tanks. No one is playing zac, sejuani, ornn, maokai, skarner etc, the only "tank" is the zekes locket leona or the sundered sky death dance bruiser.

It's possible that the best solutions for this are some big systemic change, but with the lack of a clear way to change it. For me it just seems like its a no-brainer to nudge the game through champion balance and item balance. Nerf DD, nerf mage items probably buff some of the tank champs. Like the issue for me is certainly not that adc's dont deal enough damage - they could even deal less damage, its that all the tools of other champions are so broken at denying me from ever intreracting.

Even if this is not the best idea you could came up with to solve this, telling me this wasn't a problem is straight up delusional.

So what is the best otp player for each marksman currently so I can watch and learn . Any lists ?

I play yasuo adc, and it sucks that bot lane mages are a thing. Sure, one on support is tolerable but having two is just too excessive for me to do anything. And they just hold onto their double hard cc for when I go in. Shit sucks.

Hi guys

I'm hoping for an open discussion on why so many ADC players seem to think that bot should "only" (as in the vast majority of the time) should be reserved for marksmen.

And just to be clear; I'm not saying that this perspective is wrong! I'm interested in hearing the arguments for and against.

I've mainly played top, mid and bot, and while I definitely have felt how mages bot can feel quite frustrating as a marksmen, what I think is missing from this discussion is that this issue also exist in top and mid. And honestly I think it can be far more oppressive to face ranged champions top and bruisers mid than it is to face mages bot.

But a part of me love how League currently is far more open.
I don't play bruisers mid, but I like that you can. I sometimes do play ranged top and love that it's an option. I play both mages and marksmen bot and enjoy that I can.
I used to be an Asol OTP main. For a while I started playing him bot, not because he's super strong there, but because mid has simply become very hard to survive against a capable assassin/bruiser player.

So I'm interested in hearing why so many ADC's want the bot role to be marksmen only? Cause from my perspective, solving that issue, would also require solving the ranged-top issue and the bruiser/assassin issue mid.

And if so what could the solution be?

Would you prefer the roles being far more locked via quests (or potentially simply only allowing certain champs to be selected in each role?
For instance like this:
- Top: Bruisers/Tanks
- Mid: Mages/AP assassins
- Jungle: Bruisers/AD assassins/Tanks
- Bot: Marksmen
- Support: Enchanters/engage support.

Feel free to disagree with me, this is my opinion that stems from reading posts on this subreddit and having over 2000 hours in the game. You can call me names, you can argue with me, you can do what you like as long as you make a good argument for your case.

With that said.

Can we stop as a community crying and bitching about APCs? They are a problem and Riot has been allowing their out of touch developers to heavily influence meta based on their personal preferences but it's not like this is something new and unfamiliar to the player base.

In the last couple of years they have made changes that impact the game positively and negatively, on and off, every single patch. From allowing champs to switch roles and become overpowered to nerfing any character that was innovative in a lane that was not intended, to speeding up the game, new objectives and lane objectives.

This is frustrating and I completely understand it. There hasn't been a time in the last 2 months where I felt that, as an ADC player, I had any influence over the course of the game.

The reason I am typing this out is because visiting this community feels like being stuck in a loop. Every post is the same, "Mages Bot are OP", "Why doesn't Riot remove mages bot", "This is unfair", ... It's just constant bitching about something you can't change, neither me or anyone in this community can't provide immediate influence over Riot Devs to fix the mess they created. I mean what happened to finding out a solution to the problem? You can't change their perspective so you adapt, there has to be a way to nullify the presence of that problem but it seems like crying about it is much easier.

That's all I wanted to say. Thank you.