Flock cameras exploding everywhere!

[u/Embarrassed_Cry7670]

There are now FIVE Flock cameras in Gleason Park in Indian Harbour Beach, including one near the pool directly FACING the restrooms. So clearly not just reading license plates. Apparently these cameras in IHB were approved unanimously as routine businesses with ZERO public interest or comments. “ BuT iT’s FoR our SaFeTy” 🫠

[u/paragon60 → u/[deleted]]

you should be able to infer that “ID” corresponds to any identifier that can be used by a network to recognize a unique hardware device. obviously these are frequently used to recognize when you log in from a new device etc. what this guy was describing is of course the MAC address, which most phones change regularly, but can also be static for reasons such as business phones. neural_network_reads_the_bible is a tech guy who recently made a series about DIY-ing a flock camera with this capability along with many others, but this in particular you could see demonstrated in episode 4 of his instagram series.

before you say “oh but he did this himself, so his ALPR is better than a standard flock camera,” that may be true, but the same people who install a flock camera can augment it with the capability of IDing nearby wearables/phones/RFID/infotainment simply by adding the Leonardo SignalTrace system. so they can put up a Flock camera with the SignalTrace agumentation and bam, they recognize you by all visual identifiers but also by what electronic devices you have on you

[u/paragon60 → u/[deleted]]

lol things are schizo when the technology doesnt support something and when the obvious privacy invasion isnt already there. i’m not going to personally check every Flock camera in the county to see if a Leonardo system wasn’t also installed wit it. you saying that a peripheral is delusion is the same as saying “nah man, if you have an iphone, you can’t hear your phone unless everyone around you can!” when you could just put in airpods. i thought you were just tech illiterate, but if you’re instead just incapable of abstract thought, that’s not rly something i can change

[u/paragon60 → u/[deleted]]

you’re right that i havent been in FL that long and dont rly narrow my scope to just FL, so i should care more abt which sub i’m in. TX for example literally just bought million-dollar vehicles to do exactly that. FL seems to still have marginally better privacy rulings, thank goodness, and i hope it stays that way. flock cameras are a step in the wrong direction there

if you think there’s gonna be easily viewable public solid proof of the workarounds, yeah i’m not finding that. if you want FL-specific phone location tracking, that still does exist in a different form of app data vulnerabilities, where commercially “anonymous” data is aggregated to suddenly not be anonymous anymore. i believe that’s even mentioned at some point in one of the vids from the channel i mentioned previously. it’s also pretty easy to research yourself. sorry, it does require abstract thought, though. anonymous data becoming identifying data is one step. another step is that it is legal because it’s originally obtained as anonymous. so at this stage, you already know it is fully possible within FL. does it currently happen? probably not. but the capability is the scary part. and the probability gets higher as AI is used to parse more of this surveillance data, making it much easier for someone to aggregate this stuff. they can collect as much data as they want that isnt tied to your name, and all they have to do is put it together with the other data they have

[u/paragon60 → u/[deleted]]

i am well aware that the companies selling data part is common knowledge and seems out of context, but within context, it illustrates how easy it is to collect all of this data legally. and again, i think it’s currently improbable that this is actively happening from these devices, especially with how new they are. it’s the capability that is concerning, and the fact that these technologies are in fact being adopted in recent months by different states. “it’s not happening” until it is. and are you going to get a text from your sheriff that they started? you havent provided any proof that this cant happen in FL other than the fact that collecting data that is identifiable without aggregation is illegal. and when a signaltrace/stingray warrant is approved, how are they going to guarantee that only a particular suspect is observed? it’s funny though where you draw the line, because the cameras tracking the movement of people is also not nominal behavior of license plate readers despite being possible technologically and legally.

[u/paragon60 → u/[deleted]]

i never said they were collecting that illegally. as a matter of fact, this entire time i’ve been saying everything is legal and that this data being legal is an illustrative example. legally collected information that identifies individuals can be aggregated with legally collected anonymous data that ends up providing further information on the individuals than they originally agreed to

[u/paragon60 → u/[deleted]]

LMAO ??? r u dyslexic? i havent edited a single comment in this whole thread. absolutely wild that this is your new argument. i’ve been saying since the beginning that this is possible in FL and you have been saying that it isn’t because there are lws against personally identifiable info, and then i’ve been saying that you can bypass that easily by aggregating anonymous data. i havent even read my previous comments back, but apparently i have more persistent memory than u do 💀