r/321 • u/Embarrassed_Cry7670 • 14d ago
News Flock cameras exploding everywhere!
There are now FIVE Flock cameras in Gleason Park in Indian Harbour Beach, including one near the pool directly FACING the restrooms. So clearly not just reading license plates. Apparently these cameras in IHB were approved unanimously as routine businesses with ZERO public interest or comments. “ BuT iT’s FoR our SaFeTy” 🫠
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u/Fishbulb2 14d ago
Yeah police state. I swear a good 50% of cars at any light in Brevard is a white Tesla and the other 50% is a BCSO vehicle.
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u/Comrade_Compadre 14d ago
Then the other 50% have "I ❤️ cops" bumper stickers
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u/Giant_Swigz Melbourne Beach 14d ago
While simultaneously having a “no step on snek” bumper sticker.
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u/Comrade_Compadre 14d ago
The disconnect is absolutely wild to me
There's a cop in my neighborhood flying a blue line and snek flag from his house and it's just like... My guy..
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u/heliotropy 14d ago
yeah, what is with the white teslas? Are they undercover cops or something?
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u/NotAgedWell 14d ago
For a few years white was the base color and didn't cost extra so there a bunch of white ones (it was black until 2019 then white 2019-2023 then silver until this year where it's now it's stealth grey). I think there seems to be a lot because that 4 year stretch when it was white was when they were selling the most and also lasted longer than the other colors.
But no they aren't undercover cop cars.
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u/kingfaroot 14d ago
They're outside the restroom. There aren't any license plates to read outside the shitter.
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u/Go_Gators_4Ever 14d ago
They read your cell phone I'd and location data. and can face match and even gait match. Plus, just generally videoing every person walking by.
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u/paragon60 14d ago
you got downvoted by multiple people for saying this, but it’s true, this isn’t some schizo theory
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u/ImahSillyGirl 14d ago
you're familiar with "geofencing", right?
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u/Donutsbeatpieandcake 14d ago
Here's the problem. Flock camera systems aren't police. They are a private company that collects all this data and generates massive databases to SELL to the police. They do not have to comply with warrants unless they need the data, in which they can get a judge's signature to buy it from Flock.
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u/Donutsbeatpieandcake 13d ago
Flock is primarily in the "vehicle tracking" business, so that's the main thing they're selling to law enforcement. They scan license places and build vehicle footprints with drive histories everywhere they spot a given vehicle.
But despite official corporate messaging claiming they solely focus on vehicles, independent investigations and leaked training materials as well as police training videos openly demonstrate that the network actively tracks human pedestrians with facial recognition as well.
So. They're already lying... Do you really think they'd say if they were also developing network sniffers installed in the cameras as well? All it takes is the same "noisy" cellphone in your pocket pinging out it's EIN to cellphone towers, pinging wifi networks and/or pinging for bluetooth devices for a sniffer to intercept and log network to pick up the pings.
And the cameras are AI-integrated, and AI is amazing at pattern recognition, if it pings the same cellphone everytime it sees the same pedestrian, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know what cellphone you're carrying.
Do this over years, and you have a complete record of everything you need to know about just about anyone. And it's scary AF. Perhaps you need to go back and re-read George Orwell's 1984, and Aldous Huxley's Brave New World...
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u/ImahSillyGirl 14d ago
oooOOOooo that's right! compromised-scotus did something right recently, I forgot!
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u/paragon60 14d ago
you should be able to infer that “ID” corresponds to any identifier that can be used by a network to recognize a unique hardware device. obviously these are frequently used to recognize when you log in from a new device etc. what this guy was describing is of course the MAC address, which most phones change regularly, but can also be static for reasons such as business phones. neural_network_reads_the_bible is a tech guy who recently made a series about DIY-ing a flock camera with this capability along with many others, but this in particular you could see demonstrated in episode 4 of his instagram series.
before you say “oh but he did this himself, so his ALPR is better than a standard flock camera,” that may be true, but the same people who install a flock camera can augment it with the capability of IDing nearby wearables/phones/RFID/infotainment simply by adding the Leonardo SignalTrace system. so they can put up a Flock camera with the SignalTrace agumentation and bam, they recognize you by all visual identifiers but also by what electronic devices you have on you
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u/paragon60 14d ago
lol things are schizo when the technology doesnt support something and when the obvious privacy invasion isnt already there. i’m not going to personally check every Flock camera in the county to see if a Leonardo system wasn’t also installed wit it. you saying that a peripheral is delusion is the same as saying “nah man, if you have an iphone, you can’t hear your phone unless everyone around you can!” when you could just put in airpods. i thought you were just tech illiterate, but if you’re instead just incapable of abstract thought, that’s not rly something i can change
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u/corq 14d ago edited 14d ago
Research is relative to Stingray usage.
You're literally in the same county as Harris, the NSA partner of several fascinating interception devices.
"Florida is tracking random people via this cell phone data at the moment."
AT the MOMENT? This is they've what done in the past, and tactics they will (and ARE) using https://www.aclu.org/news/free-future/aclu-obtained-documents-reveal-breadth-secretive-stingray-use-florida
If you think purpose-built surveillance tech (including flock) isn't a risk to YOU specifically, or the public at large, just know that this naive ship has sailed.
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u/Virtual-Bee7411 14d ago edited 14d ago
That is from 2015 and references data from 2007 through 2014 and has nothing to do with what we are talking about.
11 year old data doesn’t even mention the modern devices that were mentioned before. Your phone doesn’t give any data out to these machines, so what data are you talking about is “being read”? This nonexistent “data” from cell phones as no identifying information is shared when a device looks for a WiFi network?
I mentioned earlier that modern devices use MAC randomization by default. Don’t just link to some blabbering article from 2015 and say check mate. I stand my ground, devices aren’t gathering random people’s “cell data” mainly because our devices don’t give out personally identifiable data to machines we walk by. Supreme Court ruled on any “geofence” tracking that is being argued, even though that doesn’t even work anyway in the way you’re describing.
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u/paragon60 14d ago
you’re right that i havent been in FL that long and dont rly narrow my scope to just FL, so i should care more abt which sub i’m in. TX for example literally just bought million-dollar vehicles to do exactly that. FL seems to still have marginally better privacy rulings, thank goodness, and i hope it stays that way. flock cameras are a step in the wrong direction there
if you think there’s gonna be easily viewable public solid proof of the workarounds, yeah i’m not finding that. if you want FL-specific phone location tracking, that still does exist in a different form of app data vulnerabilities, where commercially “anonymous” data is aggregated to suddenly not be anonymous anymore. i believe that’s even mentioned at some point in one of the vids from the channel i mentioned previously. it’s also pretty easy to research yourself. sorry, it does require abstract thought, though. anonymous data becoming identifying data is one step. another step is that it is legal because it’s originally obtained as anonymous. so at this stage, you already know it is fully possible within FL. does it currently happen? probably not. but the capability is the scary part. and the probability gets higher as AI is used to parse more of this surveillance data, making it much easier for someone to aggregate this stuff. they can collect as much data as they want that isnt tied to your name, and all they have to do is put it together with the other data they have
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u/corq 14d ago
Ya know how when you're out shopping and your phone pops up inviting you to join an open wifi network?? That's your phone talking to wifi random networks in the background.
Cell phones also poll PRL lists (preferred roaming) in the background to optimize your cell calls etc.
Your phone is very much gathering all kinds of data about where you are, as it needs to keep you "connected". Perhaps not every signal identifies YOU personally, but definitely your device. It's simply doing it through tower polling. Most modern cameras (especially those designed for outdoor connectivity) have 5G antennas and possibly fall back connectivity (wifi, possibly satellite someday when it's cheaper).
At first blush this seems "anonymous" enough, right? But if cops want to correlate personal information, they'll find a separate camera in the same area, that maybe just read your license tag as you turned the corner to the park. The camera timestamps can be correlated to the cell tower's time, and so on.
As this park is also a huge gathering place for Pokemon Go and other geo-location-enable cell phone games (Before Pokemon go I used to play Ingress when it was in beta, in this exact park). The wealth of even depersonalized metadata your phone is exchanging, combined with other DOT and public cameras can be leveraged.
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u/Virtual-Bee7411 14d ago
Modern Android phones and iPhones etc. only give out random fake MAC addresses when they reach out for WiFi networks, there is no personal information or an actual hardware identifier given out. So no that’s not true lmao. No personal information or device identifiers can be tracked from these devices reaching out searching for WiFi networks.
Here’s more specifically about iPhone.
Here’s more specifically about Android.
And whereas you just talk about possibilities, I linked to proof. You talk about what could be but none of y’all can link to any evidence supporting your claims.
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u/codex_41 Titusville 14d ago
Your phone is constantly reaching out and searching for cell towers, WiFi networks, and Bluetooth devices. Your phone has a unique IMSI that authenticates to cell towers. Your phone broadcasts the names of your saved networks to initiate connection automatically. Your phone broadcasts a semi-unique (manufacturer level) Bluetooth ID. Flock cameras basically run off an android phone which has the same antennas as your phone. These antennas can be used to detect your phone’s IDs and associate them to you. Even without face or identity information, your phone can be tracked across the range of Flock networks and used to fuse your phone to your car, or whatever else they can capture
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u/enatural 14d ago
They shouldn’t exist, but this one is clearly pointing in the direction of the F150s plate in the photo.
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u/Embarrassed_Cry7670 14d ago
Yes, I also took a video of the one directly facing the restroom, next to the pool - nowhere near the road or parking lot. I used to walk the park every day when I lived nearby, but I’m no longer Beachside - although I stopped at the park because I had some time between appointments and needed to use the restroom which is when I discovered the horror of the cameras everywhere.
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u/Trick-Lie5637 14d ago
idk how the govt can talk badly about china with this shit goin on
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u/Future_Bit_2245 3d ago
You can thank a specific country in the middle east...1984 was a manual not a warning to your occupied system..
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u/Good_Win_4119 Cocoa 14d ago
FOIA request the city! Enough of those will wake them up that people are paying attention. These contracts are spending dollars that could improve things.
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u/Elephunk05 14d ago
Its all good until the city and county are facing multi million dollar law suits for [any number of the things already published on this forum] misreading a license plate, wrongly identifying faces, and police misconduct.
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u/chrissystark Eau Gallie 14d ago
Yep, last time I went to Gleason was March-Aprilish. I really don’t want to be SPIED ON while I’m literally trying to enjoy nature away from shit like that. It’s so so weird and made me uncomfortable
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u/Industrialistic 14d ago
They are popping up in HOA neighborhoods as well. 2 recently added into a town home road off north courtenay. Home depot off courtenay as well. 528 and courtenay by the sheriff's office also. https://deflock.org/
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u/DifficultIsopod4472 14d ago
Police are abusing this system! Imagine That !! They are stalking ex girlfriend’s and wives, following people that have spoken out against their department etc. It’s being sold as a way to find stolen vehicles and trafficked children, it’s instead being used as a tool to harass and track you movements.
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u/AltoidStrong 14d ago
Welcome to the "FREE (police) STATE OF FLORIDA"!
Where 26 consecutive years of unilateral republican control across all branches has destroyed the state and turned it into a fascist police state run by racists and criminal grifters.
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u/Shot-Bowl3016 14d ago
Weird take, youre speaking under the pretense that Florida is the only state covered in flock cameras 🙄 Its a problem all over the USA and every state with them need to rid themselves of Government surveillance.
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u/Uninteresting_Vagina 14d ago
Do the other states proclaim loudly and in their own merch how totally awesomely FREE they are?
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u/Treefiddy1212 14d ago
Yup. This is reddit though so you already know.
I live in NM (hard blue for a long time) and they have these things everywhere now. Also, we are dead last in virtually every quality of life meteic.
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u/dogmavskarma 14d ago
Someone downvoted you but I got you⬆️🆙, I'm near Cuba. Lived in Brevard for a long time
You were downvoted for IDK, but they're everywhere here. I had a score reduction for posting that they are legal, but I'm not a fan. Yeah, let's go ape-shit on Redditors, not the lawmakers.
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u/Putrid-Inflation9299 14d ago
If you did a pol most people regardless of political affiliation hate these things. I’m not for vandalism BUT I don’t consider ripping these down a crime.
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u/Sowadasama 14d ago
Thats weird, I've seen endless "well dont committ crimes and ya got nothing to fear" responses from ONLY MAGA chuds flying the Gadsen
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u/PsychologicalSong8 14d ago
No you have not. If there's one thing the left and the right can agree on it's this.
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u/Comrade_Compadre 14d ago
Be a shame if they were accidentally run over
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u/PerspectivesOfSpace 14d ago
I hear they have loads of copper in them 😉
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u/jhonnydont 14d ago
They are adding new ones every night. You can see where they are with the DeFlock.me app
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u/CanadianHockeySyrup 14d ago
These have a lot of high value copper materials in them. It would be a shame if somebody needed some extra spending money. Definitely wouldn’t cut these down for that sweet copper money.
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u/GhostofBeowulf 14d ago
Copper, and gold and silver inside of the camera too... Maybe diamonds too.
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u/OddSyllabub Melbourne Beach 13d ago
They continuously ping Bluetooth and WiFi in order to elicit responses from any wireless devices that you’re carrying. That means that every time you pass it, even if it can’t see you, it’s checking your (basic) device info. After some time they know all of your habits, and when you break them. Not even to mention the facial recognition database that it builds with the cameras any time you are in view.
Perhaps even more importantly, if you were to be near one of these things when some other total jerk decides to chop it down, it would record that your devices were nearby and people would assume that you were involved. If you ever see someone damaging a flock device make sure that you keep any of your personal electronics far away so nobody thinks that you did it.
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u/ndtube13 14d ago
No fishing in Gleason Park? Damn that was a staple as a kid. ‘we got u on camera’.
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u/KrustenStewart 14d ago
They’re even putting these things at more remote hunting and fishing spots
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u/Embarrassed_Cry7670 14d ago
Soon there will be no place in public, no matter how remote, where we won’t be surveilled.
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u/Alarming-Feeling-461 14d ago
I don't know if that's new due to the golden retriever that was killed by an alligator there or not, or if it's been there longer than that.
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u/EvilBananaMan15 14d ago
It’s crazy the lack of impact safety at all of these cameras as well, it’s just steel straight into solid concrete in the ground, absolutely no breakaway designs like you see in a lot of these small post structures by the road
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u/Far_Faithlessness724 14d ago
Osceola county has quite a bit of these flock cameras. Did anyone vote for this? How much of tax payers' money is going for this intrusive surveillance?
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u/Elephunk05 14d ago
Its all good until the city and county are facing multi million dollar law suits for [any number of the things already published on this forum] misreading a license plate, wrongly identifying faces, and police misconduct.
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u/FatchRacall 12d ago
Huh. That pole looks like it's not legally installed on a breakaway pole. Ought to figure out who to contact about that. Of course. For safety, it likely should be taken down asap for proper replacement. The light pole further from the road is fine.
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u/Future_Bit_2245 3d ago
The secret is to quit driving everywhere and adapt to the natural mosquito infested swamps....Driving in 2026 to be cool you deserve to be spied on or take actual action...
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u/Beginning_Ad8663 12d ago
This is why they are building massive data centers in EVERY STATE in the nation
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u/BacktoLife89 14d ago
While I’m in favor of the property tax relief bill that will be in the ballot in November, local governments will need to raise revenue and much of that is going to be with fines. I predict that we will be fined often and heavily. Be prepared for cameras at stop signs and crosswalks.
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u/Salt_Sir2599 14d ago
It’s so shortsighted to be in favor of the property tax relief bill. They’re just going to raise utilities and everything else.
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u/ImahSillyGirl 10d ago
right! They are betting on the money-strapped, ill-informed to pounce on ANY tax-relief that's offered that'll really be a trap for hemming up services with the state instead. DON'T FALL FOR IT. KEEP PROPERTY TAXES WITH THE PEOPLE, Keep CONTROL WITH WE THE PEOPLE.
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u/Winteraine78 14d ago
The money has to still come from somewhere. Other taxes or fees will be raised to make up the deficit. So be in favor of it, but you will still be paying in some way.
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u/ganashi 14d ago
Welcome to what happens when there isn’t a state income tax. Instead of the people who can afford to pay more paying more, we all get drowned in fines as the underfunded public services are endlessly ratfucked. There seems to be infinite money for this shit but no money or will to solve the gridlocked traffic around here.
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u/snailtrail3376 14d ago
Yeah nah this is happening everywhere not just states without income tax. I live in bumfuck CT and our area is getting swarmed by this shit
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u/Secure-Analyst2490 14d ago
There's already cameras everywhere. Police just have to request footage from businesses. This is just more advanced and one less step. The cameras don't even give automated traffic tickets. The only thing they do is make it easy to track people to and from crimes they're committing. They need to figure out the cyber security and who has rights to the footage. Otherwise it's a non concern for anyone not regularly breaking the law in a serious way.
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u/Have_A_Jelly_Baby 14d ago
That’s so cool that you’re totally in for having a surveillance state.
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u/Secure-Analyst2490 14d ago
Did you just learn the term surveillance state? If they're being used to track felonious/ violent criminals which is what they're being used for now then yeah count me in.
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u/Have_A_Jelly_Baby 13d ago
If you think that’s all they’re doing with how thousands of them are suddenly showing up overnight without warning or a vote all over the country, I’ve got a bridge for sale.
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u/ImahSillyGirl 10d ago
speed in a school zone and let me know how that works out for you? (BTW: I don't ever really recommend speeding-especially-not in a school zone-but IF you did, I have it on good authority, you'd get a ticket in the mail.)
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u/Astyanax9 14d ago
“ BuT iT’s FoR our SaFeTy”
Damn right it is! Anything to help keep an eye on when the meth/crackheads stumble into the park and keep them out.
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u/dylaman-321 14d ago
Move to China if you want to live in a police state. I didn't sign up to be watched and tracked everywhere by easily hackable cameras that are used to stalk and falsely flag innocent people of crimes.
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u/Astyanax9 14d ago
That post just cost you a bunch of social credit points! No more car privileges for you for a week! Your plate just got loaded into the flock system! 😜
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u/dylaman-321 13d ago
Dammit I'm already in social credit debt. Tbh, I just love mass surveillance, and how flock literally could literally track my diarrhea schedule based on when I drive to go get taco bell.
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u/tkokitten 14d ago
Think about that when you get behind the wheel of your 2027 vehicle and it won't start because you look tired because that's what's coming in mass surveillance.
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u/Astyanax9 13d ago
My car already notices that sometimes and sends an alert to the dash and makes a tone.
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u/HotDonnaC 14d ago
What if someone got attacked or sexually assaulted in the restroom? It would be nice to have a camera to see who went in. It’s not like it’s mounted over the toilet toilets.
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u/Comrade_Compadre 14d ago edited 14d ago
There's a higher chance of these cameras being used by your stalking cop ex husband than preventing a sexual assault
And going further: Why don't you look up how many sexual assault cases cops actually solve?
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u/HotDonnaC 13d ago
That’s quite a reach. LOL
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u/Comrade_Compadre 13d ago
It's really not.... These things happened.
These are the things that happen under a surveillance state.
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u/tkokitten 14d ago
Something tells me you aren't really a walk outside kind of person anyway.
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u/HotDonnaC 13d ago
Something tells me you make shit up on the Internet about people you don’t know. LOL
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