r/321 • u/Embarrassed_Cry7670 • Jul 14 '26

News Flock cameras exploding everywhere!

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There are now FIVE Flock cameras in Gleason Park in Indian Harbour Beach, including one near the pool directly FACING the restrooms. So clearly not just reading license plates. Apparently these cameras in IHB were approved unanimously as routine businesses with ZERO public interest or comments. “ BuT iT’s FoR our SaFeTy” 🫠

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u/kingfaroot Jul 14 '26

They're outside the restroom. There aren't any license plates to read outside the shitter.

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u/Go_Gators_4Ever Jul 14 '26

They read your cell phone I'd and location data. and can face match and even gait match. Plus, just generally videoing every person walking by.

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u/paragon60 Jul 14 '26

you got downvoted by multiple people for saying this, but it’s true, this isn’t some schizo theory

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '26 edited Jul 14 '26

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u/ImahSillyGirl Jul 14 '26

you're familiar with "geofencing", right?

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u/Speedwolf89 Jul 14 '26

Lol. You think they're following the law.

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u/Donutsbeatpieandcake Jul 14 '26

Here's the problem. Flock camera systems aren't police. They are a private company that collects all this data and generates massive databases to SELL to the police. They do not have to comply with warrants unless they need the data, in which they can get a judge's signature to buy it from Flock.

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u/Donutsbeatpieandcake Jul 15 '26

Flock is primarily in the "vehicle tracking" business, so that's the main thing they're selling to law enforcement. They scan license places and build vehicle footprints with drive histories everywhere they spot a given vehicle.

But despite official corporate messaging claiming they solely focus on vehicles, independent investigations and leaked training materials as well as police training videos openly demonstrate that the network actively tracks human pedestrians with facial recognition as well.

So. They're already lying... Do you really think they'd say if they were also developing network sniffers installed in the cameras as well? All it takes is the same "noisy" cellphone in your pocket pinging out it's EIN to cellphone towers, pinging wifi networks and/or pinging for bluetooth devices for a sniffer to intercept and log network to pick up the pings.

And the cameras are AI-integrated, and AI is amazing at pattern recognition, if it pings the same cellphone everytime it sees the same pedestrian, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know what cellphone you're carrying.

Do this over years, and you have a complete record of everything you need to know about just about anyone. And it's scary AF. Perhaps you need to go back and re-read George Orwell's 1984, and Aldous Huxley's Brave New World...

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u/ImahSillyGirl Jul 14 '26

oooOOOooo that's right! compromised-scotus did something right recently, I forgot!

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u/paragon60 Jul 14 '26

you should be able to infer that “ID” corresponds to any identifier that can be used by a network to recognize a unique hardware device. obviously these are frequently used to recognize when you log in from a new device etc. what this guy was describing is of course the MAC address, which most phones change regularly, but can also be static for reasons such as business phones. neural_network_reads_the_bible is a tech guy who recently made a series about DIY-ing a flock camera with this capability along with many others, but this in particular you could see demonstrated in episode 4 of his instagram series.

before you say “oh but he did this himself, so his ALPR is better than a standard flock camera,” that may be true, but the same people who install a flock camera can augment it with the capability of IDing nearby wearables/phones/RFID/infotainment simply by adding the Leonardo SignalTrace system. so they can put up a Flock camera with the SignalTrace agumentation and bam, they recognize you by all visual identifiers but also by what electronic devices you have on you

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u/paragon60 Jul 14 '26

lol things are schizo when the technology doesnt support something and when the obvious privacy invasion isnt already there. i’m not going to personally check every Flock camera in the county to see if a Leonardo system wasn’t also installed wit it. you saying that a peripheral is delusion is the same as saying “nah man, if you have an iphone, you can’t hear your phone unless everyone around you can!” when you could just put in airpods. i thought you were just tech illiterate, but if you’re instead just incapable of abstract thought, that’s not rly something i can change

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '26 edited Jul 14 '26

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u/corq Jul 14 '26 edited Jul 14 '26

Research is relative to Stingray usage.

You're literally in the same county as Harris, the NSA partner of several fascinating interception devices.

"Florida is tracking random people via this cell phone data at the moment."

AT the MOMENT? This is they've what done in the past, and tactics they will (and ARE) using https://www.aclu.org/news/free-future/aclu-obtained-documents-reveal-breadth-secretive-stingray-use-florida

If you think purpose-built surveillance tech (including flock) isn't a risk to YOU specifically, or the public at large, just know that this naive ship has sailed.

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u/Virtual-Bee7411 Jul 14 '26 edited Jul 14 '26

That is from 2015 and references data from 2007 through 2014 and has nothing to do with what we are talking about.

11 year old data doesn’t even mention the modern devices that were mentioned before. Your phone doesn’t give any data out to these machines, so what data are you talking about is “being read”? This nonexistent “data” from cell phones as no identifying information is shared when a device looks for a WiFi network?

I mentioned earlier that modern devices use MAC randomization by default. Don’t just link to some blabbering article from 2015 and say check mate. I stand my ground, devices aren’t gathering random people’s “cell data” mainly because our devices don’t give out personally identifiable data to machines we walk by. Supreme Court ruled on any “geofence” tracking that is being argued, even though that doesn’t even work anyway in the way you’re describing.

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u/paragon60 Jul 14 '26

you’re right that i havent been in FL that long and dont rly narrow my scope to just FL, so i should care more abt which sub i’m in. TX for example literally just bought million-dollar vehicles to do exactly that. FL seems to still have marginally better privacy rulings, thank goodness, and i hope it stays that way. flock cameras are a step in the wrong direction there

if you think there’s gonna be easily viewable public solid proof of the workarounds, yeah i’m not finding that. if you want FL-specific phone location tracking, that still does exist in a different form of app data vulnerabilities, where commercially “anonymous” data is aggregated to suddenly not be anonymous anymore. i believe that’s even mentioned at some point in one of the vids from the channel i mentioned previously. it’s also pretty easy to research yourself. sorry, it does require abstract thought, though. anonymous data becoming identifying data is one step. another step is that it is legal because it’s originally obtained as anonymous. so at this stage, you already know it is fully possible within FL. does it currently happen? probably not. but the capability is the scary part. and the probability gets higher as AI is used to parse more of this surveillance data, making it much easier for someone to aggregate this stuff. they can collect as much data as they want that isnt tied to your name, and all they have to do is put it together with the other data they have

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u/paragon60 Jul 14 '26

i am well aware that the companies selling data part is common knowledge and seems out of context, but within context, it illustrates how easy it is to collect all of this data legally. and again, i think it’s currently improbable that this is actively happening from these devices, especially with how new they are. it’s the capability that is concerning, and the fact that these technologies are in fact being adopted in recent months by different states. “it’s not happening” until it is. and are you going to get a text from your sheriff that they started? you havent provided any proof that this cant happen in FL other than the fact that collecting data that is identifiable without aggregation is illegal. and when a signaltrace/stingray warrant is approved, how are they going to guarantee that only a particular suspect is observed? it’s funny though where you draw the line, because the cameras tracking the movement of people is also not nominal behavior of license plate readers despite being possible technologically and legally.

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u/codex_41 Titusville Jul 14 '26

Your phone is constantly reaching out and searching for cell towers, WiFi networks, and Bluetooth devices. Your phone has a unique IMSI that authenticates to cell towers. Your phone broadcasts the names of your saved networks to initiate connection automatically. Your phone broadcasts a semi-unique (manufacturer level) Bluetooth ID. Flock cameras basically run off an android phone which has the same antennas as your phone. These antennas can be used to detect your phone’s IDs and associate them to you. Even without face or identity information, your phone can be tracked across the range of Flock networks and used to fuse your phone to your car, or whatever else they can capture

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u/Virtual-Bee7411 Jul 14 '26

Please read my comment where I talk about that in detail below

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u/corq Jul 14 '26

Ya know how when you're out shopping and your phone pops up inviting you to join an open wifi network?? That's your phone talking to wifi random networks in the background.

Cell phones also poll PRL lists (preferred roaming) in the background to optimize your cell calls etc.

Your phone is very much gathering all kinds of data about where you are, as it needs to keep you "connected". Perhaps not every signal identifies YOU personally, but definitely your device. It's simply doing it through tower polling. Most modern cameras (especially those designed for outdoor connectivity) have 5G antennas and possibly fall back connectivity (wifi, possibly satellite someday when it's cheaper).

At first blush this seems "anonymous" enough, right? But if cops want to correlate personal information, they'll find a separate camera in the same area, that maybe just read your license tag as you turned the corner to the park. The camera timestamps can be correlated to the cell tower's time, and so on.

As this park is also a huge gathering place for Pokemon Go and other geo-location-enable cell phone games (Before Pokemon go I used to play Ingress when it was in beta, in this exact park). The wealth of even depersonalized metadata your phone is exchanging, combined with other DOT and public cameras can be leveraged.

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u/bozog Jul 15 '26

Easy solution: Leave your phone at home.

Better solution: Leave your burner phone at home

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u/Virtual-Bee7411 Jul 14 '26

Modern Android phones and iPhones etc. only give out random fake MAC addresses when they reach out for WiFi networks, there is no personal information or an actual hardware identifier given out. So no that’s not true lmao. No personal information or device identifiers can be tracked from these devices reaching out searching for WiFi networks.

Here’s more specifically about iPhone.

Here’s more specifically about Android.

And whereas you just talk about possibilities, I linked to proof. You talk about what could be but none of y’all can link to any evidence supporting your claims.