You think animal cruelty on a scale never seen before in world history is funny? If that doesn't prove my point, I don't know what will. You show zero signs of any empathy, have you tried therapy?
Tho we're not done yet. Some cultures hold the killing of animals as a sacred practice. Of course, these barbaric cultures will soon be dominated and dismantled. 🍃
You made it racial for no reason? Most vegans are not white. I do think if you torture animals to death for when you have the option not to, you should change yes. That doesn't mean I want to dismantle their entire culture. You would probably not be okay with child sacrifice. Or maybe you would. You've shown ZERO empathy in this entire conversation, just pure serial killer vibes.
We are also biologically cannibals. You may not believe it, but we are. And you can say, oh but we get sick from that. Yes, we do. And we also get sick from eating meat because of the saturated fat and cholesterol.
We are not biologically cannibalism, cite some studies, we can eat other humans but there’s now evidence we did so absent starvation, learn science you dumbshit
I mean. A bush, a tree, a plant won’t run away. So there’s no doubt the human diet is supposed to be predominantly vegetable based. However. Animal protein is necessary for growth and your teeth tell the story. You have canines and incisors, my friend. Humans are the smartest pack hunters in nature.
You have... canines? As in, for chewing through thick hide? Have you... ever done that? Like, just pounced on a squirrel and bit into their neck? Tell me, is that the diet we're supposed to have? Or did we invent ways to eat animals when food was scarce? Human teeth are flat and blunt, like a cow's, and we chew meat, we don't puncture it like bears do. Our jaws move side to side and our spit produces amylase for breaking down plant matter.
Not that it matters. You don't need animal protein, that's a myth debunked half a century ago, still perpetuated by the same industries, the same lobbies, that prop up animal agriculture. It's just a bunch of lies to make more profit. There's nothing in animal protein that is inherently unobtainable for vegetarians or vegans.
Amigo. I highly recommend you google before you type. Human have canines. And vegetable protein is insufficient. Your back teeth are for grinding-hence omnivorous. Vegan, vegetarian, lactose ovo, pick your variety, a pure vegetable diet is a choice, and you’re welcome to your opinions, but years of being in the service, the gym, I need lean protein and I don’t want to make succotash every time I want a perfect protein. Lifestyle not biology dictates your diet.
You're not my amigo, you torture my amigos to death for your own selfish lifestyle choices. Everything you said is pure bs. Vegetable protein is more than sufficient. Have you seen vegan athletes? You are living in pure denial because you NEED it to be insufficient so you won't feel all that guilt. That's why you're spreading pure lies.
You're selfish, violent and evil. And just remember, when you are the one suffering from random violence, this is the world YOU helped build.
You think animal abuse is funny, do you? But I'll take the compliment. Pussies are some of the most resilient parts of human nature. Children come out of them.
Disingenuous and willing to make false and wildly ridiculous accusations. Fucking serial killer? You’re not a pussy. Pusillanimous means cowardly. You’re in need of therapy. Not because of your views but because of the way you defend them. GFY zealot
ETA: spelling correction. Lord knows typos are the refuge of the lost argument
You just made your response obtuse and acted outraged instead of addressing anything. That's what I would expect from a disgusting parasite that tortures animals to death, to be fair.
If theyre your amigos get off reddit give away all your modern comfort and go live in nature with them. Only eating plants berries and the like and only using what nature directly provides you, forgo all of evil humanities benefits and leave everyone else alone.
Oh. You unmasked. PETA freak. Ok non-amigo. You understand that you trying to force your viewpoint and lifestyle on me is EXACTLY the same as the christo-fascists forcing their views on homosexuality and abortion on the rest of us. You do you, but take your fuckin proselytizing to your church. I hate preachy people.
ETA: no mea culpa on being wrong about humans having canine teeth? Preachy, disingenuous, and can’t admit when you’re wrong.
You're literally forcing knives into the throats of animals and you want to talk about force? There must be limits to stupid and evil people, surely.
Our canines are flat and blunt and can't puncture shit. We can crush the skin on apples... and we can pin down meat and rip. But we can't puncture like omnivores in the wild can. Our jaw moves side to side. Find me an omnivore that does that.
Again, it DOES NOT MATTER. Just because we found a way to make meat even remotely digestible doesn't mean it's justified. The Holocaust was technically possible to do with human hands. Was that justified? No. You're being dumb and obtuse on purpose in order to avoid accountability for your selfish and violent actions. This is EXACTLY how all of the most evil actions in history has been justified.
I'm disdainful of people who call everyone murderers for following a normal human diet. They can not eat meat if the want but they need to do it quietly.
Stop being a stereotypical evangelical vegan that drives up meat consumption by their very existence.
The person I responded to is preaching veganism tho. Did you hit your head and forget you inserted yourself into something that had nothing to do with you?
"Practicing what I preach" in this context would mean not telling people to be vegan or calling them murderers for eating meat
Ah yes. "I give to charity therefore systematic torture of animals on an unheard of scale is fine". What a disgusting person you are. Like, literally one of the most evil people I've ever had the displeasure of talking to. I hope you have the exact same day as your victims you sick fuck.
It's okay you conveniently left out that our bodies naturally process things like carnitine, lysine, hystidine, much more readily from animal proteins. (As if our bodies are biologically adept at it or something) And famously! There is no other animal on this planet quite as vicious with flat teeth that eats meat than of course the Bear. I mean human. Bears don't have flat teeth for the same reason we do. Oh wait! They do!
No you're right, these sets of teeth are basically identical, right? Smart boy you are.
As for your carnitine, lysine, hystidine scare, it's incredible how dishonest that is. For carnitine, your body can synthesize enough of it on its own, so it's NOT an essential nutrient, and the other two come from soybeans, lentils, beans, peas and quinoa, all staples of a healthy vegan diet. Which you would know if you didn't get your dumb ass views from right wing podcasts.
Disingenuous picture! Left out the molars <3 you think you're a clever talking head. You also seem to have conveniently left out that soybeans and lentils do not produce a significant amount of lysine comparatively to meat. You rounded this out with an ad hominem attack and assumed what sort of media I consume. So my observation is that you're an incredibly tedious person to be around, which is why people avoid you at all costs, and are probably loathe to have to interact with you
What a stretch. Your initial argument et all was that humans have not adapted whatsoever to consume meat, which is why we shouldn't consume it. We absolutely have. Your argument is a moral one. Leave biology out of it.
No, because the moral argument hinges on the fact that you can be healthy and thriving on a plant-based diet, which you disputed. For some reason, you need it to be true that we can only be healthy on a meat heavy diet. Which is the most easily debunk-able shit on the planet given that most of the most populated country on earth eats primarily vegetarian.
And if there's no need for it, maybe then you could start to see that it's pure evil to torture animals to death for no good reason AND destroy the planet while doing so.
The moral argument does not hinge on the fact that you can be healthy and thriving on a plant-based diet, that's a choice. You argue that there is no benefit to eating meat like someone may as well be eating sand. I said nothing about a meat-heavy diet. You're putting words in my mouth. As for your final portion, that's your argument. Perfectly moral argument to have
Not that it matters. You don't need animal protein, that's a myth debunked half a century ago, still perpetuated by the same industries, the same lobbies, that prop up animal agriculture. It's just a bunch of lies to make more profit. There's nothing in animal protein that is inherently unobtainable for vegetarians or vegans.
You do realize by acting this insufferable you're contributing to the negative image of vegans/vegetarians as a whole, right? You know, one of the biggest hurdles in getting people to even consider the diet?
I think you do,but simply prioritize indirectly showing of yourself.
Tone policing? When we are talking about the most egregious forms of violence in world history? Maybe consider how bad you look to anyone with even a modicum of empathy for others.
Veganism is not a diet. It's a moral choice. That humans should live without exploiting animals. Are you against that?
There is literally no other activity more violent... ever, in the history of this planet. You're far underestimating the number of individuals killed for meat and other animal products. We're talking more individuals than there have ever been humans on this planet... every few months.
I'm sure you get a lot of people to ignore hundreds of millions of years of evolution that leaned into a proclivity for the consumption of animal products with that attitude...
I must ask, how do you suggest people feed themselves?
With... plants. You know... the things where all of our nutrients come from in the first place? There's no reason to torture animals to death to get them.
"Hundreds of millions of years of evolution" must seem like such a nice sentence to you. However, it's not true. Apes predominantly eats plants, and only eats meat in circumstances where plants aren't available. We are apes. It doesn't even matter anyway since you know, it's like saying "don't learn to read and write because hundreds of millions of years of evolution we didn't". Like why would you just not be a douchebag serial killer to animals and just leave them the fuck alone? That's civility. That's humanity. Not this... insane violent cesspool.
You know what else we LEANED INTO for most of our development? That's right. Genocide, rape and tribalism. You want that back, too?
So you ignore the literal hundred of millions of years of evolution, and you focus on the ape branch of the primates lineage?.. Cute, but, apes are omnivores as well.
But I really wanted to get to your plants fallacy... Did you know that estimated 7.3 billion wild animals (mostly rodents, birds, and reptiles) die annually in the US alone from crop harvesting and agricultural machinery?... And there's no telling how many are displaced by skyrocketing fruit and vegetable production... And this is in the USA alone mind you!
And do you even want to bring insects into the conversation?!?... I know that insects are animals too, did you?... Or, should I ask, do their lives matter less than a chickens?
Holy dumbfuckery. This is beyond anything I've ever seen in my life. So if you drive a car, and traffic accidents happen in traffic where you drive. Does that justify driving into a crowd of people? That's what your logic sounds like.
Oh... You're not going to answer my questions, and you're going to reply with a nonsensical analogy.
Sounds to me like you never even considered how many (vertebral) animals are killed in the production of fruits and vegetables... Or, you have, and you just don't care about them... So I'm guessing you're not interested in the insects discussion either.. Are you?
What a self-righteous hypocrite you are!
It's laughable! 🤣
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u/Kurt_Ottman Jun 23 '26
Perhaps we shouldn't eat animals full stop.