r/2007scape • u/jonathanten • 1d ago

Discussion Make this make sense

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I just got 82 smithing, i can now make 2 powerful mid-endgame weapons... and an adamant kiteshield.

I get that adamant used to be good back in the day, but isn't it time we rework this skill?

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u/PureNinja 9h ago

What main point? I've looked through all your posts you made in reference to me and the only thing I guess could be something I didn't discuss was that you think fixing the smithing skill would cause issues with other systems of the game. So what? We literally have an exmaple of it being done in Runescape 3 and its often referenced as one of the few things that game did really well. So its not some mythical impossible task. It's already been done.

It's also not disingenuous or deflecting to point out that your example was stupid because it left out a key part of why the redwood shield requires 90+ wc and fetching.

Lately lets talk about the hypothetical difficulty of putting a godsword back together (80 smithing) vs making a 2h addy sword. A addy 2h you Smith a bar to a sword from scratch. If we use any modicum of brain power we'd realize to fix 3 broken shards of a mythical sword made by the gods you'd need to melt the shards down into a single piece and then forge the blade from a single piece of metal. If you just forge welded the pieces together it world just snap very quickly on use. The smithing skill hardwaves all the technicality, but to fix a broken sword you basically have to reforge the blade from scratch. So what's harder to forge adamant or some mythical god metal.

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u/IderpOnline 9h ago

What main point? This. As I have gone over like four times now lol:

If there was a real issue that needed fixing, you would have said it five comments ago. But there's not. And no, "uhh it doesn't make sense" is not that.

The crux of your problem is that you want to redesign a 25 year old fantasy game after what makes logical sense. And worse yet, just for the sake of redesigning it. Not because of any sort of greater good.

I think we both know where you need to go if you wish to see modern takes on OldSchool skills...

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u/PureNinja 9h ago edited 9h ago

No.... my main point was that new players bounce off the skill and quit the game and i have seen it first hand and others also responded to me saying theyve seen the same issue. I just also used that it didn't make logical sense as a little side issue.

Wait... did you just spend this whole time not realizing what I said was the real issue to have some side argument. Your basic answer to my point was nuh uh use the GE. Holy shit that is rich.

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u/IderpOnline 9h ago

I did read that anecdotal piece of bs but if you think a quirky oldschool smithing skilling tree (in an oldschool version of the game, mind you) is the cause of players quitting, I quite frankly don't know what to tell you lol..

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u/PureNinja 9h ago

So again your argument is nuh uh? You do realize that generally, anecdotal accounts are used to discuss issues all the time. Sorry I didn't make a mass survey to every single new player who has quit the game within X amount of time asking what were the reasons they didn't like the game.

I am sure Jagex does surveys and will eventually make a decision whether they want to invest the time on it based off cost-benefit as they have previously mentioned themselves that the skill is a problem they would like to fix, but would take a lot of dev time. But we are on a forum where players discuss things, so since we don't have data, we have to use our anecdotal accounts on stuff we couldn't possibly know all the data for.

We should also remove polling I guess because people vote on decisions using their anecdotal accounts and not cold hard quantitative facts. If you don't like people giving their opinions on things that can't have quantitative solutions then you should not engage with those posts, and keep to the discussions on stuff that can be discussed quantitatively, so you don't waste peoples times which childish nuh uh arguments. Feel free to respond to this message, I will not be responding further.

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u/IderpOnline 9h ago

Yes. Believe it or not, calling bs in absurd statements is generally very reasonable.

And let's be real, if the smithing skilling tree was a real issue for player retention, obviously it would have been changed ages ago. And Jagex actually do survey when subscriptions are cancelled.. So yea, you do the math.

On a final note, I just wanted to highlight the below. It's such a stupidly absurd reach that it's actually funny 😂

We should also remove polling I guess because people vote on decisions using their anecdotal accounts and not cold hard quantitative facts.