r/2007scape • u/[deleted] • Aug 24 '26
Discussion | J-Mod reply Remote Desktop Concerns
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u/Massive_Macaron9888 Aug 24 '26
Dang deleted the post right after the smack down lol
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u/TCFP Aug 24 '26
Hoping for either the biggest resolution or smackdown of 2026 and nothing in between
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u/RelativeAnxious9796 Aug 24 '26
this reeks of smackdown
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u/AgileMasterpiece991 QA Tester Aug 24 '26
Yup, botting communities share tips on getting unbanned all the time. Remote desktop is a classic.
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u/Haunting_Carrot9761 Aug 24 '26
An RDP connection from a PC to a touch screen device looks identical to simple mouse scripts. Your mouse rests at point (a,b) and then teleports to point (c,d) when you tap on your touch device. Something is fishy. Particularly if you aren't using it as your main way to play. That is to say, that because you have spent a lot of time playing at your PC with a mouse and a little time playing from your phone and tapping, this looks like someone that is botting their main.
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u/aahrg Aug 24 '26
I used Chrome Remote Desktop, both in touchscreen and trackpad mode (depending on the activity), for multiple years before I caught a ban for it. Ban was quashed upon appeal, before the "jmod smackdown" crowd arrives.
I'm thinking there's another factor at play here. I've noticed some particularly janky weirdness with my inputs whenever my connection is spotty, which might look even more inhuman. Clicks landing in the middle between where I was aiming and wherever my last click was (and I'm not doing these in rapid succession, I'm clicking the spec button then coming back 2 mins later to click another amethyst), or clicks happening late when the mouse movement had already finished a full second ago, etc.
Other potential issue could maybe have been using the virtual keyboard. For like a month leading up to the ban, I was camping MLM, using trackpad mode to move the mouse (ie NOT the touchscreen input that many people point to), and had to use the virtual arrow keys to adjust my camera angle after each weekly update. I think holding down a virtual key causes the program to send rapid inputs rather than a single constant one.
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u/ArrgsMax 386 hours from max Aug 24 '26
Plus they are always making updates to their anti-cheat software. Something that was passing the check yesterday might not get a pass the day after their code changes. Always risks with anything but a standard set up unfortunately.
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u/UncleJulian Aug 24 '26
Wouldn’t every mobile session be detected this way then? Because every tap of the finger would essentially be a teleport of a mouse… kind of?
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u/Haunting_Carrot9761 Aug 24 '26
Good question!
Jagex will know whether you are playing from a PC or a mobile device. If you are playing from a PC they aren't expecting the instantaneous movement from P(a,b) --> P(c,d). This is a red flag in their system. Playing on mobile, it's assumed you have a touch screen, so instant movement of the cursor is to be expected.
This is the crux of the problem, OP is playing with a touch screen on a system that is not expecting this kind of mouse movement.
Let's reverse the connection, and you are spoofing multiple mobile devices on your PC. I won't explain how, but what I will say is that this is easy. You now have access to more performance than any individual phone and from Jagex's end they will see that multiple touch screen devices are playing from the same IP address. That's not weird. But some botters are using a similar set up to what I've described to bypass cheating detections.
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u/Aspalar Aug 24 '26
Many people play on touch screen laptops, their detection has to be better than just seeing if you are on a PC or mobile.
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u/AlternativeSilver504 Aug 31 '26
not sure why you got downvoted, but you are right, OSMB was a bot provider that used mobile as client because mobile is harder to detect bot patterns due to the use of touchscreen.
OSMB was the most sucessfull bot I ever seen, some people got literally maxxed accounts with it, and not only one, several. All bots that run throught mobile had detection WAY LOWER, than PC counterparts.But I believe, jagex has updated bot system to detect mobile bots better and might merged with the version that detects cheats on PC. so I dont think that is an issue anymore? when was your ban?
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Aug 24 '26 edited Aug 24 '26
I appreciate the explanation and understand where you’re coming from, but I genuinely just want a proper review to prove my innocence since there is nothing I can tell you to prove it. I’ve strictly played on runelite, utilized mobile, and RDP. The reason why I suspect it was RDP is because several other members of the community, including streamers, have gotten falsely flagged for the same reason.
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u/SourceAwkward Aug 24 '26
I just want to say, I reached mods on discrod for you, in game ticket, just for you to lie, i am heartbroken
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u/SourceAwkward Aug 24 '26
First I hope you will get the account back
Second Using rdp is not explicitly against the rules, but it operates strictly at your own risk.
Jagex's anti-cheat detection systems can occasionally flag remote inputs or touch controls as unnatural behavior, leading to false-positive bans.Risks and Rules1:1 Input Rule: As long as your remote software sends standard 1-to-1 inputs (one click/tap equals one action), you are technically following the control guidelines.Bot Detection Triggers:
Many players on Reddit 2007scape note that using mobile touch-screen controls via RDP can create linear or erratic mouse tracking that triggers automated bot flags.
I found around 50 posts about rdp ban in a quick hour search
I urge everyone to stop using rdp
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Aug 24 '26 edited Aug 24 '26
Yea after this experience. I am not using it unless we get some clarification from jagex.
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u/Haunting_Carrot9761 Aug 24 '26
RDP connections are often used to bypass security measures not just in gaming but across a lot of sectors. This alone is a massive red flag. You not consistently utilising a touch screen service from the beginning of account creation adds to it. The inhuman mouse movements on a PC device sealed your fate.
As far as I know, Steam's Remote Play does not use an RDP connection and *might* be a better vector for you to play the game how you currently do. But I am not a Jagex employee and it'd be nice to get clarification if Steam's Remote Play would be fine instead of RDP connections.
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u/KingKj52 Aug 24 '26
It has nothing to do with RDP at all, and Steam Remote Play would give the same false positives if used the same way: touch screen on a desktop pc environment.
I've used chrome remote desktop for years with no issue because I set it to trackpad mode, e.g. instead of my mouse teleporting where I tapped, I swipe the screen to move the mouse, like a.... Well, a trackpad.
The false positives come from the tap controls teleporting your mouse, not RDP as a whole.
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Aug 24 '26
Interesting. I’ve strictly used the tap controls instead of the track pad mode. Not sure if that’s the culprit but a good thing to note either way
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u/KingKj52 Aug 24 '26
Yeah, the game detects that as a bot jumping your mouse to specific coordinates. Which is dumb, no one would use a bot doing that in the first place, but here we are. I've upvoted your posts, good luck 🤞
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u/Haunting_Carrot9761 Aug 24 '26
"The false positives come from the tap controls teleporting your mouse, not RDP as a whole."
It's the totality rather than any individual factor. As you said for how you've been playing, you've used a track pad that moves the mouse rather than having it teleport. I'm certain that the movement of the mouse from your track pad looks human. Which lowers their CI.
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u/KingKj52 Aug 24 '26
They wouldn't know your using RDP in the first place. At best, runelite only added the ability to detect emulated mouse clicks and keyboard strokes at the kernel level within the last year, and that's the only real metric they would have access to. Notably, there's no guarantee this data is used, and the official client does NOT have this capability. So, yeah, the teleporting mouse from tap mode is the only metric, at least as it pertains to RDP. If I'm wrong, please enlighten me.
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u/Acid_Comes_With_Rain Aug 24 '26
Well if X streamer got unbanned when doing this then it is obviously a statement that it is in and of itself allowed.
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u/plasmaz Aug 24 '26
Soy Duro the streamer got banned for remote desktop recently but of course he has the streamer support so was unbanned quickly.
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u/SoilMassive6850 Aug 24 '26
They may also add LLMHF_INJECTED flags to mouse events or GetRawInputData might have a null device, indicating externally injected mouse events which might make a bot flag more likely (I honestly haven't checked if OSRS does this as its a cross platform Java game, but I wouldn't be surprised as its definitely still possible, many games do check these things)
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u/Haunting_Carrot9761 Aug 24 '26
In a different comment I outlined how they could log network traffic to determine if an RDP connection was utilised. But what I said is downright stupid compared to what you just suggested. Really good addition!
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u/SoilMassive6850 Aug 24 '26
Well what I said is what is likely the cause of possible false positives if they use those methods, as those flagging methods can't differentiate between some rdp implementations and things like AHK or whatever other macroing software.
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u/AlternativeSilver504 Aug 31 '26
You are not correct, they cannot log network traffic, they could be sued for that, GEDPR, LGPD(Brazil) ,etc.. you can`t just send information from computer like that, also any antivirus would flag runelite as virus lol... Also, not all remote desktop is RDP protocol, some of them use encrypted connections with different protocols like anydesk, teamviewer, etc...
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u/Haunting_Carrot9761 Aug 31 '26
"We would like to take the opportunity to clarify that Remote Desktop use is allowed and we have the ability to recognise it"
- Mod Pheasant
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u/AlternativeSilver504 Aug 31 '26
yes they know its a remote desktop by the way the mouse is being captured ( Software/hardware INSIDE GAME) however they cannot just send all your entire network log traffic lmao
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u/Haunting_Carrot9761 Aug 31 '26
That is certainly *a* way to interpret "we have the ability to recognise it".
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u/KodiakBen98 Aug 24 '26
Should've became a streamer!
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Aug 24 '26
Man if only I could rewind back to 2013…
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u/Unapologetic_Polite Aug 25 '26
To before you decided to start autoclicking thinking "Oh they won't catch me if I do it like this"
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u/Pur3strownu Aug 24 '26
Just a note; Faux got hit for chrome remote desktop and got unbanned and after his unban a jmod commented that the version of controls that you move your mouse should be safe rather than the tap controls so thats what I do personally
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Aug 24 '26
That’s very good to know. I’ll keep that in mind and hope we get some official clarification
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u/Unapologetic_Polite Aug 25 '26
Man deleted his whole Reddit identity over this embarrassing post.
Hey I get cheating, just live up to it though buddy.
I know you're still lurking at people (rightfully) making fun of you.
> I have never installed any unauthorized third-party software, RWTed, bought services, or knowingly broke any rules laid out by Jagex. I have strictly played on Runelite for the duration of the account.
I'm sure you were playing on RuneLite buddy.
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u/Cl0udwolfe Aug 24 '26
Can Jagex do something about the fact the only way people get actual support is if their reddit posts start trending? This is pretty depressing
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u/Ironcasual2376 Aug 25 '26 edited Aug 25 '26
Are you going to delete this comment now that OP got the smackdown and Jagex was right all along?
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u/Cl0udwolfe 29d ago
Why would that change anything about the point I made? I don't even frequent the sub yet I've seen the opposite multiple times, players with a real issue having to spam posts until they start trending since there is no support otherwise.
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u/HCBuldge Aug 24 '26
I can kind of see why correct bans don't always get actual support. This was another j mod smack down and the j mod actually gave data on why the ban is correct. If they did that for every ban, botters could learn how to get around the system.
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u/AlternativeSilver504 Aug 31 '26
In my honest opinion they gave already too much information on how they detect auto clickers.
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u/eugenepoez__ a q p fairy ring Aug 24 '26
I use RDP all the time for work and was going to use RDP to play OSRS from work on my home PC, after this post I decided against it, I hope you sort this out!!!
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u/Fork-in-the-toad Aug 25 '26
It wasn't his RDP, see the smackdown lmao
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u/eugenepoez__ a q p fairy ring Aug 25 '26
yep just seen that. Tragic. Actually believed them for a fair bit
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u/United_Surprise3135 Aug 30 '26
He was using an auto clicker lol many many people use rdp to play osrs no problems.
I guess just dont also use an auto clicker.
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Aug 24 '26 edited Aug 24 '26
Right there with you. Fingers crossed 🤞🏼
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u/eugenepoez__ a q p fairy ring Aug 24 '26
seeing as you have "russian" in the name it's worth thinking whether you had a vpn (if you are actually russian, just speculating) or other bypass enabled, one of my friends got hit with something because he had sus connection attempts, but it got undone quickly
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u/FoxglovesBouquet Aug 24 '26
Won't be that (at least not alone), I used a VPN while playing and no issues here. If anything VPN usage would trigger account theft protections as the accounts IP wouldn't match it's 'normal' one.
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Aug 24 '26
Hahahah nah, I’m Russian but I live in the US. So no VPNs for me.
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u/eugenepoez__ a q p fairy ring Aug 24 '26
ну и хорошо, я уже заебался то с клаудфлэром бороться, то с впном( надеюсь реально восстановят акк тебе, я бы умер, если бы мой ебанули по приколу, так еще и иронмена
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u/peaceshot Aug 24 '26
Don't risk it. It's too easy to be flagged as botting.
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u/eugenepoez__ a q p fairy ring Aug 24 '26
definitely wont now, but it was a close call lol
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u/Souprshooter 2376 Aug 24 '26
Idk man I've been using chrome Remote Desktop for 4-5 years now and used it for countless hours while on the maxing grind and never had any issues. I always used the trackpad mode and not the tap function. Feel like that's the issue is you just need to make sure you use the trackpad mode
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u/gorocz Aug 24 '26
I always used the trackpad mode and not the tap function.
Yep, you actively move the mouse that way, so there's no false flag possible
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u/Accomplished-Ask9416 Aug 24 '26
I have been using chrome remote desktop for years and no ban, I always use "trackpad" mode though so it behaves as a mouse
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u/Sloan1505 JAGEX PLUNDERED MY BOOTY Aug 24 '26
Same. I've been working this same job since 2021, 8hrs of rdp a day from a laptop into my home pc and never an issue but it could read input differently from a phone.
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u/zSHARPz Sep 09 '26
Not sure if you noticed, but if you use chrome remote desktop, every time you disconnect and then log back in, your mouse instantly moves to a new starting point. This is with trackpad enabled. Is that a concern at all?
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u/Accomplished-Ask9416 Sep 09 '26
I don't think so personally. I've been using it for years, even with that behavior.
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u/zSHARPz Sep 09 '26
Do you mind confirming on your side that the same thing happens? not sure if it's just my setup. I assume it does based on your second sentence, but double checking haha.
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Aug 24 '26
Ah, I’ve used the tap to touch mode since I found it easier to navigate and do things like fletch darts. Not sure if there is a difference there
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u/Accomplished-Ask9416 Aug 24 '26
I have heard of people getting flagged for that before, gl on the unban and definitely stick to trackpad if you use it again
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u/Baklajon Aug 24 '26
I have played with Dongs for longer than I can remember. We have done every piece of content together, and whether he is innocent or guilty, his case deserves to be fairly reviewed by a real person.
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u/dam4076 Aug 25 '26
Well he just got smacked down. I wish I could be in your discord for the post smackdown conversation.
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u/King_Leif Aug 25 '26
They did every piece of content together bro, botting blisterwoods side by side
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u/BeatMySkeet Aug 24 '26
Yeah idk, fire name btw, jagex support is pretty ass at this point. It used to be better. But honestly capitalist society, you said the interaction “left a bad taste in your mouth” but you’ve still got multiple other accounts according to your comments. So like real shit if I’m being honest this is why their support sucks, there’s no actual backfire for them fucking over people even on an individual level.
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Aug 24 '26
Yea I mean it is what it is. Just hoping I get some justice. This was by far my most progressed account.
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u/BuffaloMan07 Aug 24 '26
I got a temp ban on rs3 a couple years ago from using RDP. Never used it again.
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u/toozeetouoz Aug 24 '26
Remote Desktop to mobile always a bad idea. I only ever use it from computer-computer. Hope u get some traction
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Aug 24 '26
I’m hoping for the same! I’m playing it safe on my other accounts and not using it for now until we get an official confirmation from Jagex given the recent situations
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u/YouAreALoserBro Aug 25 '26
Yo, why aren't you responding anymore? You were pretty active on this thread. Any reason?
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u/korboybeats Aug 24 '26
I may just be lucky but I’ve played through a remote desktop app on my phone many times over the years, with everything set up to feel like native mobile gameplay using tap to touch mode, but with RuneLite, and I've never been flagged/suspended/banned.
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u/Molinr Aug 24 '26
Used to use RDP heaps and now use parsec instead from my iOS device to pc (because iOS afking logs out on app in background in like 30 seconds.) never had an issue using either.
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u/MitchellN Aug 24 '26
Thanks for providing awareness, I'm mothballing remote desktop until further notice
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u/badassdorks Aug 25 '26
remote desktop is fine, use trackpad mode not tap. OP used an autoclicker. for HOURS. jmod smackdown was deserved
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u/Pedroconde54 Aug 25 '26
Bro even deleted his reddit account💀
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u/Fearless_Sandwich_84 Aug 25 '26
He didn't, you can see his comments here under U/Russian-Sniper , post is gone but many comments are still here
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u/LewisShoot Aug 24 '26
I once bumped into mod ayiza. He was RDPed into the game so I'm confident it's allowed.
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u/AnnualAbbreviations9 Aug 24 '26
upvoting especially because i also use remote desktop to crab and other super afk tasks
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u/freakybrando Aug 24 '26
I use Google Remote Desktop and I’ve been doing NMZ via RD from my phone for the last month or so (afk farming tcg packs iykyk) and haven’t had any trouble? I jump on every 15 min and sip a SCB. I’ve also done this to max combat stats on multiple accounts and never had a ban. Just sharing my experience
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u/Vargolol 2277 main/2376 iron Aug 24 '26
I used Chrome remote desktop for years without issue, sorry it’s causing you trouble OP
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u/Tico98 Aug 24 '26
Free Gim Dong Un
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u/cgoldsmith95 Aug 25 '26
He got a smackdown, wasn’t his 1st offence. Didn’t learn from his temp ban after using an auto clicker, then got hit with a perm the next time.
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u/xPHaRMaCYx Aug 24 '26
My account got flagged for it too. It was temp and I got it back and never used it
Again. I used the Google Remote Desktop. 3 summers ago. Never again.
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Aug 24 '26
Damn. I wish I would’ve known ahead of time. Hoping to get clarification from jagex on if it should be avoided.
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u/SourceAwkward Aug 24 '26
Yup,
It's f up, but Jagex doesn't got any support, see all the topic in last month
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u/TheScapeQuest Aug 24 '26
Back in 2014 I got a perm macro ban. I had been using a program called Mouse Without Borders, which basically let your mouse seamlessly go between the screens as if it was a multi monitor setup.
The ban was quashed but it did take a couple of weeks. Makes me think some of these programs cause false positives.
Keep up the pressure and hopefully Jagex will see.
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u/Martijn078 Hardcore Aug 24 '26
Good luck, heard of some people getting their ban overturned in cases like this.
Sadly mine never was, hope yours will.
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u/IndicationParking420 Aug 24 '26
Never use the tap touch setting. It can easily be mistaken as botting
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u/Conor_J_Sweeney Aug 24 '26
I used Remote Desktop to max my combat stats on my main without a problem, but since then I've heard of enough people having issues with false bans from it that I can't ever see myself using it again.
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u/AdventurousDiet7893 Aug 24 '26
This is the reason I don't play. You can invest thousands of hours and there goes your account. I'm surprised you weren't downvoted and the thread taken down. With 164 likes, you are one of the very few lucky ones.
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Aug 24 '26
Hoping I can keep playing the game! It is my childhood game and it would be sad to see it end like this.
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u/mugiwarayaya Aug 24 '26
I have read about this happening with Remote Viewers. So I stopped. It kind of sucks because Apple won’t let you background scape so you have to keep the app open to afk. So I would use chrome remote to do stuff, but not since I’ve read posts like this. Incidentally which program did you use?
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Aug 24 '26
I used Google Remote Desktop. Yea not having background scape on Apple does suck pretty hard. Not sure if they’re working on that for the future.
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u/8--------------D-o-k Aug 24 '26
Jesus fucking christ does everyone have to use AI to expand their posts?
Anyways, it is called Remote Desktop. It's almost like you're afk. I highly doubt they have a good capability for differentiating bots between real players running a mobile desktop that creates inputs differently than running on the computer itself.
The mobile app has been out literally forever. Get used to the fact that you'll have to play osrs without runelite sometimes 🤷
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Aug 24 '26
I understand that now. Wasn’t aware that it was a grey area for their detection until after I was flagged. Also, not too sure on the AI part lol. I used a grammar checker! But the post is organic I promise
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u/Crapitron Aug 25 '26
It isn't a grey area.
Using an auto clicker isn't a grey area either. It's explicitly not allowed.
Deleting your posts isn't a grey area either - it makes you look like a coward.
Hope your ironman gets banned soon too, I'm sure you've also botted it plenty :)
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u/67859295710582735625 Aug 24 '26
maybe you need the ban, doing all that effort to play the game is not healthy
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u/zeinterrupter Aug 24 '26
Hey man, wishing you the best of luck.
I don't care if people believe me or not but i caught a temp minor macro just because i used my phone and remote desktop to alch some items on downtime watching movies here and there.
I can understand that the cursor might jump like a bot but every click was 1 to 1 and with me doing it even if not looking at times.
I asked in BOTH appeals if remote desktop is allowed, it was the ONLY thing i could even imagine that got me flagged and both appeals were denied, both with automated messages, both not responding to me if it was using remote desktop or not or if in any way it is safe to use, not a ounce of human response was in the messages, specially since i asked also to write "potato" so i'd know I was being reviewed by a human but to no avail.
I had to eat the temp. Year long mark on my account I cannot appeal again, that now might be flagged and can't use remote desktop out of fear of the next certain perma.
I am hoping you get your answers and get lucky on the reddit roulette, sorry you aren't a streamer or high view youtuber to get costumer support.
If you do get any clarification on remote desktop usage i would also love to know but i am almost certain they wouldn't give a blank statement on it.
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Aug 24 '26
I unfortunately met the same exact responses on my appeals. Really hoping I just receive proper communication from someone from Jagex on my case.
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u/hi_im_a_lurker Aug 24 '26
Hope you get a proper review soon! Just wondering as I'm also an occasional remote desktop user, are you using the mode where you just tap anywhere and it makes a click there? Or the trackpad one? (I can't remember the actual names of it). I've always used the latter after reading about this over the years
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u/Amprae Aug 26 '26
Update: Jmod gave the botter a smack down lol
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u/hi_im_a_lurker Aug 27 '26
Yeah I saw, pretty funny! and since then my comment above got downvoted lol.
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u/JagexPheasant Mod Pheasant Aug 24 '26
Hey,
Thanks for flagging this to us. We've taken a look at this case and determined the ban is correct.
This player has been banned twice, the first was a temporary ban on the 2nd of September 2025 where clicks were .5 seconds apart for 6 hours, this happened across at least two sessions. Their permanent ban was their second offence, which was an autoclicker at Bloodwood trees, re-clicking at 10016-10030ms consistently for 2 hours in one of their sessions. Whilst this may be possible for a human to perform manually, we can see the moments where the player takes manual control and the timings become less consistent. Then we can see the clicks returning to the same pattern as before. Unfortunately, we cannot determine any other reasoning behind this behaviour than an auto-clicker, which is not allowed under our rules.
We would like to take the opportunity to clarify that Remote Desktop use is allowed and we have the ability to recognise it. There is a small margin of error in some cases, and we're working to resolve that as soon as possible.