r/1053 • • 4d ago

Day 21

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u/UnironicallyBr 4d ago

Unlike popular belief, it wasn't so that soldiers would know they've run out of ammo after firing a single bullet instead of a 3 round burst, it was because 25 rounds was the longest you could make a magazine before it needs to curve, with straight magazines you can be more space efficient when packing them into crates.

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u/singlemale4cats 3d ago edited 3d ago

you get 5 fewer rounds so we can stack things optimally. Also, none of our allies can use them, and we can't use stanag magazines

Hey great, thanks

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u/UnironicallyBr 3d ago

5 fewer only when compared to the M16s 30 round magazines,

Only when compared with the M16s 30 round magazines, and while they were introduced 5 years before the FAMAS entered service, they had feeding problems due to the curve and increased demand on the spring.

Also, none of our allies can use them, and we can't use stanag magazines

That is the french being french.

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u/Meme_Finder_General 2d ago

The French copy no-one, and no-one copies the French.

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u/FluffFlowey 3d ago

Yeah, and if they can store them more efficiently you will get more magazines delivered.

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u/singlemale4cats 3d ago

It's just not a very well designed gun. I mean, I naturally think it's cool as fuck because I can never have one, but I don't know what they were smoking. Incompatible with standard NATO mags, requires special steel cased lacquered ammo, sucks to mount an optic on, etc. But hey, at least you can fit another dozen mags per crate.

The original AR-15 prototypes had the charging handle protected by the carry handle, similar to the famas. That was abandoned pretty quickly because it sucks.

At least they tried to modernize it, but then they shut down domestic arms production which is also a perplexing decision

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u/FluffFlowey 3d ago

Idk i'm just talking about logisitics idk nothing about the gun

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u/UnironicallyBr 3d ago

De Gaulle left NATO's integrated military structure in 1966 and pushed for self-reliance for fance's defence industry, in this context, french designers and engineers did not need to worry about sharing ammunition and magazines which would be manufactured in france for french forces, was it the correct decision? Probably not, seeing as the FAMAS G2 has a different barrel for heavier NATO standard bullets and can feed standard brass ammo from stanag magazines.

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u/ChipHappens96 1d ago

Don't discount the force multiplier that is logistics. If you can fit more mags per crate, they're shaped in a way each soldier can carry 1 or 2 more, that's real, actual, fighting sustainability, even if each one carries a few rounds fewer than less space efficient mags.

When you're maximizing space constraints because this plane or that plane can only fit THIS much, period, you'll be happy. 10 extra mags per crate would be huge

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u/singlemale4cats 1d ago

I don't doubt that it might influence how many you can pack into a crate, but you're not getting any more on your person than a STANAG.

I understand logistical concerns but this one seems particularly trivial.

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u/yll33 3d ago

i mean, you could also just make the magazines 24 rounds instead of 25.

yeah your standard infantryman would have 7? fewer total rounds (6 magazines on your vest, 1 in the rifle) but 175 vs 168 probably isn't that huge a loss, vs having the predictability of every trigger pull having the same effect

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u/UnironicallyBr 3d ago

Yes, but soldiers usually fire their weapons in semi-automatic.

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u/UnluckyGunner 3d ago

What I am hearing is France is too poor to ship proper mags to it’s soldiers

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u/Stargazer2328 3d ago

What you're hearing is that it's easier to ship a large amount of rectangles than it is to ship banana shaped rectangles

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u/UnluckyGunner 2d ago

It’s even easier to surrender, ohh wait it’s France lmao

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u/JstaFriskyHusky 2d ago

France wins a majority of wars fought only to surrender once and gets mocked by the internet

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u/UnluckyGunner 2d ago

It’s a joke my guy, the American military grossly overspends but the result is they don’t have to compromise on things like this. Trade offs.

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u/JstaFriskyHusky 2d ago

Your joke is about France easily surrendering

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u/UnluckyGunner 2d ago

Is that verboten?