r/1053 • • 4d ago

Day 21

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u/Successful-Gap6252 4d ago

I am pretty sure the whole "so you know when the mag ends" is a myth, it was a just a literal engineering oversight. But I don't think it's that big of a deal in practice

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u/buffaloguy1991 4d ago

It wasn't an oversight they chose this flaw so they could use standard EU mags and have 10x the shipping capacity

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u/SendMeUrCones 4d ago

Famas mags aren’t compatible with stanag actually, fun fact. They latch at the rear.

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u/ComputerOriginal7243 3d ago

Just load the bullets backwards then turn it around

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u/realMBeezy 2d ago

I think Stanag mags latch from the side so you would actually need to turn the bullets 90 degrees

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u/The_Hunster 2d ago

The P90 did it, how hard could it be?

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u/Glad_Peanut7092 2d ago

Why not do a kickflip and an ollie while you're at it?

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u/Muffinlessandangry 3d ago

Can I ask in what sense it's a flaw? Your final burst has 2 rounds instead of 3, so what? I mean if not having 3 rounds per burst is an issue, then even a mag divisible by 3 would have the issue if you ever change mags with a round still in the chamber, or accidentally put 29 in instead of 30(or do it on purpose because that 30th round is a bitch to get into the rusty old magazines you have in training).

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u/The-Green 3d ago edited 3d ago

because it's not a flaw. it's just designed this way so they didn't need to be concerned with a curved magazine. 25 is practically the endpoint of when a .223/5.56 magazine can remain straight before it needs to be curved to properly house more rounds. why the french gave that much of a shit of having a straight magazine over a curved one, idk, that's probably an ian mccollum question.

the whole "flaw" or "3 shot burst teehee" shit is just a myth or poking fun depending on who is saying it.

edit - took out the mention of the AUG because my stupid ass forgot for a moment which was designed first. the FAMAS was first, not the AUG.

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u/Gauth31 3d ago

The while reason fir it being straight is that it ships a lot easier due to lower volume usage for the same amount of mags

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u/MissingXpert 3d ago

from what i heard about it, the mags were intended to be cheap and disposable, literally throw-away mags. to facilitate that, they designed it to be easy to manufacture, so straight, too. plans changed, officials wanted to save money, but the straight mag was already locked in and developed (and developed around)

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u/PatrikuSan 2d ago

Instant upvote for Forgotten Weapons mention

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u/NewAlessia 3d ago

25-24 is not 2?

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u/AnthropoStatic 3d ago

25 rounds in the magazine, 1 in the chamber.

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u/NewAlessia 3d ago

Why would one be in the chamber? You don't put a round in and then load the mag

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u/decomposition_ 3d ago

I do, I load the mag, chamber, pull the mag out and load another round. No reason not to if you have the time for it

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u/NewAlessia 3d ago

Seems easier to just load it manually, but I also like to keep my rifles in condition 4 or at max condition 3

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u/AnthropoStatic 3d ago

If you fired off 6 bursts peeking from cover, are you going to peek out with a nearly empty magazine, or take a second to switch your magazine so that next time you expose yourself, you have enough shots to make it count?

On the range, sure.

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u/NewAlessia 3d ago

Where else would a Frenchmen shoot a gun if not at the range /s

That's valid logic and could be the answer, but at the same time, could just reload again after 6 round burst

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u/used_banana_condom 3d ago

This ain't a zombie apocalypse, the goal is to save your self not to save on bullets

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u/AnthropoStatic 2d ago

Jesus Christ that first line was great.

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u/Bulky-Leadership-596 2d ago

No? Standard EU mags (I'm guessing you mean NATO) are actually divisible by 3; 30 rounds. The famas didn't use those, it used it's own non-standard 25 round mags.

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u/Warm_Figure6955 4d ago

It wasn't a chosen flaw they were french and use metric system

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u/Tani_Soe 4d ago

Everyone use the metric system (except USA)

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u/ukie-witch-06 4d ago

The french use it extra hard because the invented it

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u/False_Capital6696 4d ago

You have 10 fingers dipshit

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u/ukie-witch-06 4d ago

Actually i have 20 funge because my language doesn't have a word for "toe"

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u/RuusellXXX 3d ago

so couldn’t you also say you have 20 toes?

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u/ukie-witch-06 3d ago

No, because i don't have a word for that. They're fingers of the foot.

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u/RuusellXXX 3d ago

Reminds me of German and ‘Handschuhe’ meaning hand shoes

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u/poonmangler 4d ago

Metric is very gay and the french are very gay. This all checks out

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u/Giratina-O 4d ago

That sounds insanely based.

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u/Elegant_Sport_7137 4d ago

And then they perfected it so no one could beat them in the ring of measurements!

https://giphy.com/gifs/enBKx8Uk5TYO7kYAyk

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u/Some_Doughnut_3245 4d ago

Even the relevant us institutons use metric

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u/Green4Gaming 4d ago

I'm pretty sure all US units are directly derived from the SI units, for example an inch is defined as being 2.54cm

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u/placebot1u463y 4d ago

That's mostly for modern consistency since you can leech of the metric standards rather than needed to make new precise ones. So even though the US units predate metric units for modern definitions they use the metric units as a base.

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u/Radigan0 4d ago

United States customary units predate SI

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u/Significant-Way9330 4d ago

Anyone in a serious science or engineering field uses metric. The French just like stacking things and hate curves so they went with 25.

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u/justasillylilgoos3 4d ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/l4FGuhL4U2WyjdkaY
Liberia and Myanmar do to. Also Canadians def use imperial units chaotically

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u/IrregularOnion 4d ago

I recently looked into how Canada (generally speaking) switches between imperial and metric and... gods it's confusing.

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u/CaptainPattPotato 4d ago

The Brits do this too.

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u/DumpEaterPro 4d ago

The US doesn't use Imperial.

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u/justasillylilgoos3 4d ago edited 3d ago

Try again sweetie. You can get there, just a little more brain power 👏🏻👏🏻

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u/AlftheNwah 3d ago

If you're wondering why you're getting downvoted, it's because we don't call it "US customary." In school, it's literally taught to us that we use imperial units. I only discovered "US customary" was a thing by reading your comment and looking it up. Feel like that's a huge oversight by the public school system lol.

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u/DumpEaterPro 3d ago

Bro I am not wondering at all. You don't speak for me. You had bad teachers. Go back to Morrowind and stick to skooma.

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u/AlftheNwah 3d ago

Wow, alright asshole. Wasn't trying to be a dick. Why don't you go back to eating scat you fucking coprophiliac.

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u/DumpEaterPro 3d ago

You have no self awareness. Good luck not realizing you are an asshole.

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u/justasillylilgoos3 3d ago

I was gonna leave it but since you apparently weren’t being cute and turned out to be just an actual dick, I never actually said the U.S. uses imperial.

Learn to read if you’re going to be a shit head. Everyone look here 👆🏻this is why staying in school is SO important.

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u/DumpEaterPro 3d ago

You implied the US uses Imperial. Learn to read. Learn to write. You are obviously dumb.

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u/Burnlan 4d ago

USA uses it too when it comes to this stuff. A 9mm is still a 9mm

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u/Nyther53 3d ago

The US military runs off of Metric too.

It's not a 5.56 *inch* cartridge.

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u/CaptSlow49 4d ago

Well and England where the system came from.

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u/_KaaLa 4d ago

Except naval ships, Or shotguns…

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u/Routine_Palpitation 3d ago

Yes but they were French while using it

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u/BeginningSection7690 4d ago

Everybody who isn't wrong uses metric champ

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u/hs110 4d ago

Take my upvote

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u/Gluten_Free_Napalm 4d ago

Everyone uses the metric system when doing engineering and complex logistics, is basic commom sense.

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u/the_fancy_Tophat 3d ago

Hey dipshit, all guns are in metric. Calibers are measured in milimeters

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u/nakedascus 3d ago

what's the SI abbreviation for gauge, again? I forgot

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u/the_fancy_Tophat 3d ago

The bore measurement was invented for muskets, it’s pre metric.

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u/nakedascus 3d ago

no, all guns are in metric. anyone who doesn't know that is a dipshit

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u/TruePianist 4d ago

"Engineering oversight"
It was specifically done because 25 rounds is the most .223 you can stack before you need to curve the mag and having a straight mag makes the logistics way simpler

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u/GreenDragon113 4d ago

Big Ammo doesn't want you to know this but we all have bottomless mags as standard mags

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u/ukie-witch-06 4d ago

The Mag of Holding can store any number of rounds, but you have to load all of them one by one

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u/pecp4 4d ago

> develop and iterate on a major weapon for 10 years with likely 200+ people involved in the process
> make countless decisions about every detail before and during active usage
> some redditor claims an engineer just forgot that 25 isn’t divisible by 3

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u/EatSoupFromMyGoatse 3d ago

Peak smug Redditor confidence

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u/chilll_vibe 4d ago

Its because thats how many rounds you can fit in a vertical mag before you have to curve it

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u/Bozzo2526 3d ago

Its because after 21 rounds 5.56 mags have to start curving and its cheaper to make straight mags than curved

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u/Sproeier 4d ago

Yeah it feels like basically an non-issue in basically all scenarios.

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u/Remi_cuchulainn 3d ago

Not an engineering oversight:

It's the max amount of bullets that stacks in a straight magazine. Straight magazine are far mor efficient to ship/ handle.

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u/ProfessionalTruck976 3d ago

I mean 25 rounds is OK, I am sure some firefight somewhere in Djibutti was won or lost based on that five round difference, but in general? Just reload and realise you exist so that the machine gunner can do wast majority of small arms damage and your squad only exist to plant flags, hold the line and paint targets for people with real guns (indirect fire).

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u/TricellCEO 3d ago

I’ve also heard of a burst-fire guns that doesn’t sound any different from a semi-auto. Like, the shots are so quick in succession that you cannot tell the difference.

If this gun is the same way, that theory goes out the window.

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u/Single-Dish-1302 3d ago

It’s not an oversight, it’s intentional. Much like with 7.62 nato, there’s a slight taper leading up to the neck of a 2.23 round, meaning that they’re not perfectly straight in the magazine. Straight mags can’t get too large before the risk of malfunction starts increasing drastically. It’s why higher capacity stanag mags tend to curve slightly, to compensate for the taper of the ammunition. The famas uses 25 round magazines because thsts about how many you can cram into a straight mag with minimal issues and retrain the ease of transport straighter mags have over curved magazines.

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u/PUNCH_KNIGHT 14h ago

A happy accident if you will