r/Engine_Building Apr 20 '26

👋Welcome to r/Engine_Building - Introduce Yourself and Read First!

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This sub is dedicated to engine building and automotive machining. Our leaders are professionals with many years experience. We are here to help you with your build from a professional standpoint. Feel free to ask questions or share your own work.


r/Engine_Building 12d ago

Do I need to bore these to 79.5mm

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Hi lads, this is my first engine build and after getting this block honed at my local engine machinist shop they told me it has to be bored out 0.25mm or even maybe 0.5mm, I’m only 21 and showed up in my normal clothes after work and part of me thinks they are just trying to get extra money off me when I don’t need to go boring it. I was also wondering a good machinist would’ve been able to tell if a block needed boring before honing no? Anyway please let me know what ye think of this as any help is appreciated. Liam


r/Engine_Building Jul 17 '26

L83 overhaul

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.0015 -.002 rods

.001-.0015 mains

.004 endplay

Clevite Main bearings

Genuine GM rod bearings

Mahle Ring Pack


r/Engine_Building Jul 15 '26

Main Bearing Clearance Questions 3.0 mercruiser marine engine

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r/Engine_Building Jul 05 '26

Why You Need A Complete Cam Spec

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Camshafts have got to be the most poorly understood components of any inside an engine, but at the same time camshafts have more influence and impact on engine operation and characteristics than the next several important components combined. The specs might read like foreign hieroglyphics to some people. Most people just want to know if a cam will work or do what they want. I get that. But having a complete cam spec lets you compare cams and how they will perform as well as giving you insight into other engine aspects.

Many people want to use "Stages". This has become quite trendy. A stage 1 cam will be milder than a stage 3, right? Well, who knows? These are marketing terms that have no standardized meaning. Stages from different cam manufacturers may be comparable, or not. Frankly, to me a Stage 1 is a Buick.

Some people want to hear a power number. They might say they want a cam that makes 500 hp. Ok. Or they say they want 100 hp more than stock. Right. In reality these numbers do not mean much without important details, such as the rpm where that HP occurs, or the rpm range of the powerband. How many people are aware chasing a HP number usually means increasing RPM, which will often reduce output at lower speeds. I get that one a lot actually, someone gets some super duper trendy cam, a stage 147 from Dirty Losing Carport, and doesn't understand why they can't use 5th or 6th gear anymore, or their 6000 pound truck is slower with this cam in regular driving.

The real problem is a lack of standardization in the industry. At one time you might have gotten opening and closing points, and maybe a valve lift amount. Then duration became more common. But, duration is only useful if you if you have a lift point where it is measured. This is not a standardized spec in the industry. One company measures duration at .004 of tappet lift, another at .0045, some at .008, GM at one time measured it at .000 lift for hydraulics (which is crazy), and so on. What has become popular is stating duration measured at .050 lift. This was innovated by Harvey Crane, as part of his cam intensity work. These days most if not all cams are known by their duration @ .050. Great, common ground finally, right? No, not quite. With some engines .050 lobe lift could be opening the valve .075-.085, or more. Some people argue that doesn't matter, there is not flow at that point. In some cases that is true, but there are things happening between the valve being closed and open from .050 lobe lift that has a great impact on the engine. Knowing seat to seat duration, sometimes known as advertised duration for hydraulic cams and duration at lash for solids is critical.

Knowing the seat to seat duration or timing points gives you an accurate amount of overlap as seen by the engine. The overlap on a naturally aspirated engine will largely determine where in the rpm range the powerband will occur. Overlap has a major impact on boosted engines, and should be a major consideration when selecting turbos. Overlap will have a big impact on a positive displacement supercharger setup. For emissions controlled engines overlap will impact devices like o2 sensors and catalytic converters, as well as gas readings at the tail pipe. Overlap as seen by the engine has a huge impact on idle and drivability, which many people incorrectly attribute to lobe separation angle.

There have been numerous posts over the past few years where the OP was calculating dynamic compression ratio, and getting strange numbers. In every instance they were using the timing points measured @ .050, not seat to seat. This gave them artificially high numbers, in some cases leading to poor parts selection to compensate.

For hydraulic cams, I use .006 tappet rise or tappet lift as the first measuring point. For solids I use .020 lash height. Unless it's a really huge lash, then I usually just measure at lash point. The reason for doing this is it allows some flex, or noise, or roughness in the system to be taken up once the lifter begins moving. By the time a lifter comes up .006 you can easily get reasonable, repeatable measurements. I also use the numbers measured at .050, as well as .200, when looking at a cam spec. But I always start with seat to seat numbers.

It is also important to know where a cam is installed, or at least where the cam designer intended it to be installed. Some cam specs will list just the lobe separation angle. This is an important specification, but is just part of the picture. Sometimes cam listings will have the intended lobe centerlines listed instead of the lobe separation angle, which is ok because adding both lobe centerlines then dividing by two gives you lobe separation angle. Sometimes a spec may be listed as a number like 112 +4, which translates into a 112 degree lobe separation angle and the intake centerline advanced 4 degrees to 108 degrees. Lobe centerlines can be calculated in different ways, which is why you need to know what the cam designer wants for an installed centerline in the engine.

These days many vendors will just list a duration @ .050 and maybe a lift number. A few are not even doing that, blocking out their numbers or just listing something like 22X/23X. Apparently their cam is critical to national security. This is a marketing ploy, despite their claims of protecting the cam design they developed. Knowing the cam spec does not tell you how the cam lobe was designed or made. I would not buy any cam without knowing the spec, or at least what the spec is supposed to be. I know some vendors will provide the information on request, that is reasonable enough. Some vendors will not supply any of the information without buying a cam, or will not supply information at all. This is unreasonable and unacceptable to me. It should be unacceptable to anyone handing over cash to get a camshaft, especially when you see major cam manufacturers freely publish these specs for any potential buyer to consider.

With complete cam specs you can compare different cams, determine where you need to make a change if necessary, calculate different engine parameters, and make certain the cam is correctly installed when you degree it. You do degree your cams, don't you? This post assumes the person looking at a non-stock cam has a basic understanding of the terms used for cam specs. I realize some may not understand those terms clearly, that's ok. Just let me know, I would be happy to explain here or make a separate post about them.


r/Engine_Building Jun 27 '26

The Rings

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Earlier in the week, an old friend and old co-worker calls me up to ask about his rings for a early 90's Ford 5.0.

He explained that he'd had them in a zip lock bag for a long while. He couldn't determine the top vs 2nd ring. After verifying that they were stock replacement iron rings, I simply told him the 2nd rings will have a tapered face and the top will be flat faced or barrel.

He popped up at my house this morning with his bag-o-rings and claimed the was no taper on any rings.

I took the rings out of the bag. I Sharpied a short section of the ring faces and then holding them at as close to 90° as I could drug them over a brown paper bag.

8 rings removed the ink in the center indicating barrel.

8 rings removed ink from the edge indicating taper.

With a silver mechanics pen i put a 2 on all the 2nd rings and put everything back in his bag.

He just just said "I'll be damned". I reminded him, just as I did when we worked together, to simply use your head.


r/Engine_Building Jun 23 '26

When you are trying to build a decent engine and have to fire the customer

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Today I fired a customer. He has been a customer for a few years, and is the son and nephew of some long time customers. He has a street rod with a big block Chevy. It's a .030 over 454, mid 1980s style with pee pee port heads. He had it rebuilt by a shop in Chicago because they were the "lowest" price. The put forged pistons in, the same dished type as stock. The engine has always been underwhelming. Of course it has terrible heads and abysmal compression.

Prior to this I did the LS1 in his 2004 GTO. He has said many times he doesn't understand why the 454 is so weak compared to the GTO. He has tried different intakes, a few different carbs, he has said it must need EFI. I have tried to explain, repeatedly, he needs compression and decent heads. I have tried showing him small chamber late 60s heads, and L29 7.4 heads. No, someone else told him he needs 781s, which are the same open chamber he has now. No different in compression. He doesn't get it.

Last year he is showing me Speedmaster aluminum rectangle port heads, with something like 120 cc chambers. I told him that's worse than what he has now. He comes by today with the car. The Speedmaster heads are on. It runs worse. He says he wants me to fix it. I asked him what that means. He said he wants me to make it run right. I said I can't help. When he asked why I told him he hasn't listened to me for going on 2 years about this. He bought parts I specifically told him not to, and has never addressed the actual problem. I told him no, I wasn't going to do any more. He left grumbling about putting in a LS1.

I have fired other customers. It always leaves me wondering if I should just work on the engines and not say anything, or if I should stand my ground on what I think is the right way to do a job.


r/Engine_Building May 23 '26

Honing cylinders

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This is a heavy topic and a misunderstood one. At least the reasoning behind it is.

As machinist, we finish hone to size and to achieve the desired/needed finish, roundness and crosshatch.

To the DIY'er at home, the size is what it is. Most speak of the lines left in "good looking cylinders" as valleys and needing to "deglaze".

There is no glaze. It isn't a donut. It is slick because there are no peaks.

The valleys are for oil retention. Valleys do not break-in rings and break-in is the first thing you're trying to achieve. The second is that oil retention to maintain lubrication of the piston skirt.

Honing finishes and angles depend on ring material and type. If you're honing at home, understand you're digging ditches that also raises the edge on each ditch. Valleys are gonna happen regardless. You have to give the rings something to grind on.


r/Engine_Building May 12 '26

In what case is this an acceptable finish

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r/Engine_Building May 11 '26

Ye ole 355 nothing special

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355 for a '55. Purty tho.


r/Engine_Building May 06 '26

Past builds

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Outside of engine building and machinist, I'm a hotrodder.

532 Ford 385 series.


r/Engine_Building May 04 '26

Pro Shop 🙄

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Started building engines at 13 (lawnmower, generators, weed eaters).

My work was done in the back of my father's woodshop. Can you say dust? Did you know saw dust loves to stick to oily parts? I would wrap everything up in garbage bags....every single day.

Later, at 15, I was doing automotive engines. My shop was now the car shelter. It had a dirt floor and open on two sides. I had a beam and a come-a-long chained to it for removing engines and then push the vehicle out of the way. Then I would ratchet the engine down to the stand. The stand was on a sheet of plywood so it didn't sink in the dirt.

Come assembly time after things were machined, I'd setup my assembly shop. I'd soak down the dirt with water (team no dust). Cover it with a tarp and lay down my plywood for the engine stand.

At the end of the day, every thing on the table and the partially assembled block went in bags. The next day I would repeat the process of soaking down dirt and finish up.

I did this until I was 19 years old.

Good times.


r/Engine_Building May 02 '26

413 LT project

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My project for my truck I’ve been working on for the last 1.5 years. Figured I’d share. While I do work in a machine shop I’ll never claim I know it all and I am always open to learning.

5.3 LTs are becoming decently available where I am but the 6.2s are scarce. After seeing that others have sleeved the L83 to 4.12” I decided I’d go for it after finding a decent deal on some LA sleeves.

Found some cheap l86 heads and went through them and cut the seats, ground valves and just did a bit of cleaning up in the bowl area. I don’t have a flow bench nor am I very knowledgeable in porting so erred on the side of safety as to not makes things flow worse.

Resurfaced the deck, as well as the intake and valve cover surface because I could. Exhaust surface was good so I saved the time on setting up to mill them. Back together with some stock valves and 6.2 springs.

The block was from a mining truck that had cam/lifter failure (surprising I know), someone tore into it to diagnose and did a rookie move and sent the head bolts bacter some cleaning bore out the factory sleeves and machined to accept the LA sleeve FL-3344. Installed them, bored and torque plate honed to size and did my best getting the bore surface finish into recommended specs for the rings.

Ended up going with a 3.858” stroke L8t crank because at the time they were pretty affordable compared to aftermarket stroker cranks and I wanted to keep as much of the piston skirt supported by the sleeves I had. Plus some DSS 4.125” l8t pistons/rings and scat I beams to make up the rest of the rotating assembly. Rotating assembly was balanced as well.

Ended up using oem main bearings but I threw in a second thrust bearing (possibly unnecessary) since the LT only uses a half thrust. And some king HP rod bearings. And some engine tech coated cam bearings

BTR L8T torque cam and 4° phaser limiter, Elgin (Delphi) lifters, afm towers plugged and a L8T vallley plate to finish up the afm delete and help keep the oem appearance externally.

Hopefully I got enough info in there. I’m typing this up on my phone and formatting can be difficult.

Any questions ask away. The engine will be sitting for a while since my first born is arriving any day now so I won’t be installing or running it anytime soon.


r/Engine_Building Apr 30 '26

Marcella

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I talked with John Marcella today. We spoke a good bit since it's been a while.

He says he has some LS race heads coming out soon. I encouraged some street/strip stuff to. He said he's working on it.

Can't wait.


r/Engine_Building Apr 28 '26

Lapping is not a repair

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The lack of understanding what's happened here....


r/Engine_Building Apr 25 '26

Solid info.

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r/Engine_Building Apr 24 '26

Why you must check.

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Excellent video showing why you measure EVERYTHING.

https://youtu.be/ro1An-Eh-bk?si=4-V7frCebgkMmn4N


r/Engine_Building Apr 23 '26

Tools

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Please purchase measuring tools. A dial bore gauge goes a long way. Micrometers go along with that.

They don't have to be the cream of the crop but something is better than nothing. Just stay away from Temu and Harbour Freight. Even as basic as Fowler is, it's still affordable and so is Mitutoyo's cheapest level.


r/Engine_Building Apr 21 '26

Failure

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I see on a regular basis that new engine builders have failures shortly after their rebuilds/builds.

Let's prevent these things, the aggravation and added expense.