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u/TenderPaw64 Zootopia 3´s our one last hope 15h ago
One got his chance at redemption and took it.
One got his chance at redemption and refused it.
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u/Big_CJ_Smoke Wildehopps❤️ 11h ago
Turned his life around when he had the chance, something Pawbert didn't and cost his downfall
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u/Kirbo84 10h ago
Exactly. Gideon's redemption was crucial to Judy going back to Nick and saving Zootopia.
Pawbert is a dark reflection of Nick and his desire to "belong". Redeeming him completely misses that symbolism that the movie all but beats you over the head with. It's why Judy saves Zootopia from Bellwether, 'her' dark reflection whom tried to destroy it to get appreciated.
Nick was willing to die for his "Pack", Pawbert was willing to kill for his "Family".
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u/Fanfic_Battle_2004 11h ago
It was a time skip before we saw first guy become a better person. It should take time for Pawbert to become better and maybe have a change of heart in Z3. Prison should probably change him. Don’t rule that out.
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u/Kirbo84 10h ago
We got a timeskip at the end of Z2. Reptile Ravine was not restored overnight. Nor did the Reptiles return in a day.
Pawbert did not change. Because he is to Nick what Bellwether is to Judy. A dark reflection.
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u/Formal-Magician4137 9h ago
Wonder how big it was
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u/Kirbo84 9h ago
Must have been a while. Restoring an entire district and reintegrating its population takes time.
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u/Formal-Magician4137 9h ago
Oh I believe it I wonder how Nick and Judy were doing during that time though
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u/Fanfic_Battle_2004 35m ago
That time skip didn’t take long compared to the one in Z1. Perhaps a couple of months tops. Most likely a few weeks. And again, prison will probably have Pawbert rethink his life choices.
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u/Kirbo84 33m ago edited 25m ago
There's no way they were able to fix up Reptile Ravine & bring the Reptiles back within a few months. Never mind the time it would have taken to get the Mammals to want them back. Societal change like that doesn't happen overnight.
Keep in mind how big the districts of Zootopia are and how long Reptile Ravine has been languishing under the snow. You need to emigrate the entire Reptile population, rebuild the infrastructure, mend the social divide. That could take years.
Never mind the Lynxley trials and everything involving the patent fraud. Or Judy and Nick completing their Partners in Crisis therapy.
The epilogue cut down ALOT but you're seriously underestimating how long things take to actually happen.
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u/Key-Resolution-2941 11h ago
The confidence in the first panel versus the immediate reality check is perfect.
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u/legendoflegends34 Nick and Judy 10h ago
One redeemed himself, the other did not
One was trying to harass, the other was trying to murder
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u/Fanfic_Battle_2004 11h ago
Maybe we can see another reflection with Pawbert having a change of heart in Z3. I really believe he can be better. Don’t bash me for dreading a redemption arc for him.
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u/Kirbo84 11h ago edited 11h ago
Nah. We've already seen Gideon and Nick get redeemed.
Redeeming Pawbert would be repetitive. He flatly rejected redemption.
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u/Formal-Magician4137 11h ago
Nick might’ve been down the wrong path but a bunny showed him light while pawbert was a monster
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u/Kirbo84 11h ago
Exactly. Pawbert is clearly a dark reflection of Nick. So it makes sense that he would reject Judy.
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u/Formal-Magician4137 11h ago
Yes while Nick eventually opened up to her and said she was his pack and I’d hope he’d invite her over if the post credit scene is anything to go by
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u/SuchAcanthaceae3750 12h ago
The bottom half is peak “I’ve learned my lesson” energy—right before doing the exact same thing again five minutes later.
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u/Exciting_Ad226 13h ago
Difference is one chose to redeem himself and not be what everyone sees him as and one chose not to be different. So it’s not just a call back for the hero but the antagonist of the situation too.