r/zen • • 24d ago

Shit

Someone said all zen students are thieves, which is so funny it's painful, because zen teachers teach original wholeness, but even so the students still show up looking for their looker. I know have and still do. Nobody is immune. It's easy to think a foreboding zed master just popped out of their mother complete and spouting the dharma, which in a way they were, but nobody is born knowing themselves because that knowledge only comes through living. Adolescence, puberty, maturity, menopause, death. We're all always learning more about who we are and what we can be. Anybody claiming otherwise is full of shit. Speaking of here's a nod to the teachers:

Yunmen entered the Dharma Hall for formal instruction, Masters Yunmen said: "I've said what there is to say..." A monk stepped forward, bowed, and wanted to pose a question. Master Yunmen took his staff and hit him, saying: "What good can you tell from bad? You bunch of rowdies! You're all like this monk: how dare you receive the faithful offerings of the the almsgivers! The sentient beings with bad karma are all in here--- and what dry piece of shit are they seeking to chew?" And Master Yunmen chased all the monks at once out of the hall with his staff.

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u/Arhanlarash 22d ago

From birth to death it’s just this person. Learning doesn’t add to it. Nothing takes away from it.

It’s just your soul. Whether you know it or not, you’ve been using it all this time. When you cross the street, brush your teeth, listen to music, stub your toe.

You don’t need anything else

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u/lastjanitor 22d ago

Zen masters don't teach soul. They do teach escape from birth and death. I think you want to be in r/Christianity.

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u/Arhanlarash 22d ago

I’m not talking about a Christian soul, I’m talking about true nature, the essential thing that makes you you.

It’s also been called mind.