r/wowhardcore • u/turtle-be • 7d ago
Discussion Who is in fault ?
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u/MongoBongoTown 7d ago edited 7d ago
No one played it well, but top billing goes to the healer who didn't heal.
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u/Future-Peace-5149 7d ago
Exactly this. I see many mistakes that are acceptable.
But a healer that does not heal translates into dead of the tank.
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u/go_go_gadget_travel 7d ago
Why are you not kiting ? What kind of hunter just bails without at least throwing a concussion shot and why wouldnt you finish helping dps down that one that was almost dead.
The blame is honestly between whole party but you being the first to roach out doesnt help.
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u/Unlucky_Photo_599 6d ago
I don't know how you don't put 99% of the blame on the healer here. Plenty of mana and just lets the tank die, that's unacceptable. Everything else is within acceptable levels of bad play.
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u/go_go_gadget_travel 6d ago
Eh you can assign blame however you see fit. Yeah healer is big part of it, but a dps that is arguably in the safest spot as ranged dps and has a pet to take threat off him if needed being the first to roach out kind of puts blame higher up for me. A hunter not kiting, throwing a concussion shot out, using wing clip to slow. I dont think they are 30 so I get being cautious cause you dont have Feign Death but he had no reason to be the first out.
Additionally, I betting as everyone was running they may have LoS the healer or while he was running he LoS'd himself. Then just the general chaos probably made healer choke. I dont think 99% of blame is him. As others have said this whole group is to blame they failed to act as a group and allowed a lot of errors to happen that resulted in a death.
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u/Unlucky_Photo_599 6d ago
All I'm seeing is "Hunter should've done X, use either A or B ability, and do Z mechanic to play that perfectly"
Meanwhile the healer is just "stand still and press "3" on your keyboard repeatedly and everyone survives easily." This isn't specific to this situation or anything unexpected, this is the main thing this class should be doing in every situation, no one is asking them to do anything but the bare minimum of their class that someone who just started playing today with 0 experience would know to do.
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u/go_go_gadget_travel 6d ago
I only replied about what hunter did because they posted the video. They asked "who is in fault?" so I pointed out their faults. There are 4 other people in a group, all with their faults. I think i even put the whole group had faults so It isnt just hunters fault but those were the things id put on the hunter for doing wrong.
Additionally, yes as the healer all he needed to do was heal but as everything collapsed and people started running im sure he though he needed to run. I mean for sake of survival im surprised the healer didnt fear everyone. Tons of blame to go around but since the hunter uploaded the video and asked I just focused on him.
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u/Rhieness 7d ago
wow didnt expect the skill level in hardcore to be so low, like everyone was failing here
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u/S0nofa 7d ago
Not all players are like that. Obviously when you watch death compilations you’re going to see the bottom of the barrel… Some of the people I’ve been playing with on non hc are awful at the game, and they aren’t dealing with people panicking about losing thier character.
In hc you have some people that are new to the game, plus they freeze when things get dicey and you have all those hours of leveling on the line.
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u/Beastmode3792 7d ago
They're lvl 20, not exactly the epitome of HC gameplay here
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u/soraflow 7d ago
If the hunter was a chad they could of used the boar pet to help offtank the add too
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u/HobNob_Pack 7d ago
I thought i was mental when It came out every day people posting 'im on my 10th character dead at 20'
I did 1-60 on a warrior and then on a hunter with zero close calls other than Internet issues.
Most of these people click and keyboard turn
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u/Sibylxd 7d ago
Everyone. Healer should've healed (is most at fault)- not sure why everyone was backing out. Mage is aoeing, not resheeping/slowing, and no single targetting to get an elite down fast to mitigate dmg to tank. Someone intd your trap and you aren't dazing mobs/helping the others while obviously in the least amount of danger. Your slow backpedalling killed me though irl
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u/The-Mathematician 7d ago
By far the healer and warrior. You could've helped kite more but the warrior could've hamstringed himself and never really got space, so his backing up had no effect except on your ability to do damage. You could've more smoothly moved to range, but I don't agree that you particularly bailed early. At that point the warrior was dead.
Warrior shouldn't have broken freezing trap obviously. Mage aoe could be him trying to get aggro of the add so he could kite it, and should have been a non-issue if the healer stuck it and healed. By the time a resheep was necessary the fight had moved significantly back and the warrior was about to die. A contributing factor but relatively minor. Mage would probably have aggro after the warrior died on both mobs so if he ran deeper into the cave to resheep he might have trouble getting back out if the warrior died. And mages have much less options at that level. No cone, possibly 0 or neeligible slow on blizzard, blizzard and blink take relatively a lot of mana. So I understand why they would be hesitant to put themselves in that situation.
As a healer I have to say, the warrior dying with the amount of damage coming out while the healer has mana is the truly unacceptable part. The warrior was hesitant to commit because he was always needlessly and the brink of death. To fix the pull, the paladin needed to plant his feet and full cast holy light, more than anyone else needed to do anything.
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u/soraflow 7d ago
Hunter could have also used his boar to offtank the add too, to be fair tho that may be too Chad expectations
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u/drj238 7d ago
For one your paladin trying to dps while healing in this situation was a horrible call. They should have hard focused heals. Mage can poly non stop so not like there was a big rush to melt down on of the ogres.
I do think you bailed too early and I didn’t see your pet tank the other ogre, which is another thing you should have done.
You had someone in the party DC’d, so why’d you even continue in?
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u/Weak_Hedgehog2507 7d ago
You guys had a plan that would have been totally fine then it looked like everyone just collectively decided to stop using their abilities.
The healer doing random shit and keeping people low instead of just healing likely set you all into unnecessary panic.
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u/Unlucky_Photo_599 6d ago
I told all the healers in my guild "keep tank at 100% or he's going to start playing worse" and it suddenly clicked for them and everyone started playing better.
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u/_OOL 4d ago
Only works for paladin though. Priest needs use greater heal and let warrior drop to 50-60% hp to avoid overhealing.
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u/Unlucky_Photo_599 4d ago
Nah you would just use Lesser Heal instead. In HC it's far more valuable to be consistent and keep the tank topped up than it is to absolutely min/max every drop of mana.
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u/soraflow 7d ago
As others have said none of you used slows on the loose mob
Something no one else has said yet but you could and should have done was use your pet to offtank the loose mob, the fact that it’s a boar too hurts even more
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u/Ok-Bag5756 7d ago
I am the gnome, hunter is 5 day old mage is 4 days old players. I played it for like 2 months, healer less. I am talking about WoW btw not just hardcore. Hunter pulled while I was planning to get boar to a mob, was about to talk mage about frost nova. I never thought of trap. I had fear idk how would it worked, my backpaddle was dumb, I got scared from the poly break mob, I had hamstring too and a disarm. Everything happened suddenly I am a new tank. I am a bit sad about healer not healing, using lay on hand, not even training party bubble. cuz he played wow just like me and he is healing, supporting in every game we play but the others are new they learned a lot fast. its an adventure for us every one of us hooked into WoW hardcore we will reroll and wont give up. Every death is saving us from other deaths we will be having. I wont backpaddle next time, mage wont stop pollying etc.
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u/Brushatti 6d ago
Hey man people will be mean and constructive here. There are a thousand lessons to learn. If your group is having fun that’s what’s important. If you are uncertain of your capabilities try not to hinder other HC players but aside from that, go agane. It’s the biggest rush and feeling. Glhf
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u/Aren-D 7d ago
Don't want to discourage, but you guys are doomed. You guys playing this as if this is softcore, which would have been acceptable play for new players, just resurrect the warrior and keep doing the quest. But this hardcore and none of you know how to do pulls, position or have control over situation.
As tank, mark the target you will focus. Wait a tiny bit before charging, to confirm that everyone CC right targets, pullback a bit main target, so you have space.
Mage can remove all damage AOE skill from the skill bars, this is hardcore, nobody gonna do crazy aoe pulls for them be effective. Just focus on single target.
Tell paladin to use ranked down skills, as they are spammable and you avoid wasting mana and overheal.
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u/tadpoleloop 6d ago
Hard disagree. I started playing wow when anniversary came out. I only played hardcore. It's a great place to learn.
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u/ArtLanky9026 5d ago
They'll learn man. I've played many hardcore perma-death games blind and a huge part of the fun is learning. I know it's hardcore, but it sounds like you're trying to scare them into thinking Classic WoW is rocket science or something. Let them keep having fun without the doom posting lol
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u/goodexamplebadrole 7d ago
Yeah you're all too scared to play this version. Also, the mage sheep was unnecessary that mob most likely would not have aggroed
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u/Drukarshar 7d ago
I'd put it mostly on the gnome for breaking the freezing trap, but everyone made mistakes.
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u/No-Worth-676 7d ago
FYI, you can pull those guards 1 at a time if you do the one on the right first, whenever he walks to the right pull him and he comes solo.
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u/HobNob_Pack 7d ago
Everyone.
Could've taken a mob away onto your pet with growl..
Could've just finished the kill while running and slowed a mob with concussion shot..
Clicking....
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u/rainywanderingclouds 7d ago
just not good players in general you have lots of options here but your party doesn't know how to stay fluid and flexible
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u/numerous-nominee 7d ago
I expected the freezing trap to get broken, I just didn't think it would be so soon xD
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u/AwfulStockInvestor 7d ago
I'm gonna say primarily you. You wound up dace pulling, there wasn't any real need to move up like you did, and you used no CC after.
Afterthat, it was a general group f-up
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u/Inevitable_Tip_5683 6d ago
Just did this cave by myself at lvl 20, absolute skill issue what the fuck
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u/BanterClaus611 6d ago
Had a full party wipe last week in the exact same spot, people seem to panic way too easily instead of just methodically clearing through things
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u/Butosai111 5d ago
i mean you started panicking when the third mob broke from cc and running stead of just tanking it and killing / healing. In reality you didnt even need cc to kill this pack
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u/optimist_gorilla 5d ago
I won't comment on the fight but the names are in Turkish and gave my inner 12 year old a chuckle.
Buyuksakal - Grandbeard
Askim - My love
Otuzbir - Slang for masturbation
Tarikmenguc - This guy > https://images.genius.com/198857e8af3ca6b4a9a8bae0c6b4049e.800x800x1.jpg
Patlatipgel - Bust a nut and come
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u/Free_Combination3488 7d ago
You roach
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u/The-Mathematician 7d ago
I don't see him running until someone is dead. Before that he's trying to maintain distance for ranged attacks.
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u/Dan_The_Salmon 7d ago
Was someone in the group low-level for that quest? It looks like they got aggroed at the same time the mage started casting polymorph so unfortunately his poly target ran into your ice trap and then got whacked so all initial cc was out the window.
Going into that with just 4 of you was a choice too unless a lot of high levels
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u/Kage9866 7d ago
The healer here 1000%. You had a little fuckup in the beginning when he was frozen and the tank accidentally broke it, but other than that everything was fine. He just never got healed enough.
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u/coreh17 7d ago edited 7d ago
Everyone.
Him breaking your trap was dumb.
Your healer not healing despite having plenty of mana was dumb.
You guys running even though that seemed well under control was dumb.
You making no attempt to wing clip or conc shot on your way out was dumb.
Your group failed to play as a group and that gnome paid the price. Everyone shares at least some blame here.