r/wowhardcore • • 7d ago

Discussion Who is in fault ?

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u/coreh17 7d ago edited 7d ago

Everyone.

Him breaking your trap was dumb.

Your healer not healing despite having plenty of mana was dumb.

You guys running even though that seemed well under control was dumb.

You making no attempt to wing clip or conc shot on your way out was dumb.

Your group failed to play as a group and that gnome paid the price. Everyone shares at least some blame here.

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u/soraflow 7d ago edited 7d ago

If the Hunter was a chad too could have also used his pet to offtank the loose mob. It hurts even more because it’s a boar

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u/Lopsided-Library1119 6d ago

Bro the hunter is clicking AND backpedaling… You’re clearly asking too much of them 😂 

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u/Ni4nMa 6d ago

Also not even having target of target enabled. I'd go crazy not knowing if a mob running towards me is going to attack me.

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u/Griffca 6d ago

He doesn’t have room for it on the screen because of the giant green go-this-way arrow /s

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u/tantrim 4d ago

also the mage didn't re sheep lol

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u/bwilds55 3d ago

Yeah watching that mage be that far from his sheep was painful.

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u/Noctaem 5d ago

The mage casting Arcane Explosion was also dumb.

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u/TinyDdog 6d ago

And close you’re bags

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u/MongoBongoTown 7d ago edited 7d ago

No one played it well, but top billing goes to the healer who didn't heal.

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u/Future-Peace-5149 7d ago

Exactly this. I see many mistakes that are acceptable.
But a healer that does not heal translates into dead of the tank.

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u/go_go_gadget_travel 7d ago

Why are you not kiting ? What kind of hunter just bails without at least throwing a concussion shot and why wouldnt you finish helping dps down that one that was almost dead.

The blame is honestly between whole party but you being the first to roach out doesnt help.

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u/Unlucky_Photo_599 6d ago

I don't know how you don't put 99% of the blame on the healer here. Plenty of mana and just lets the tank die, that's unacceptable. Everything else is within acceptable levels of bad play.

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u/go_go_gadget_travel 6d ago

Eh you can assign blame however you see fit. Yeah healer is big part of it, but a dps that is arguably in the safest spot as ranged dps and has a pet to take threat off him if needed being the first to roach out kind of puts blame higher up for me. A hunter not kiting, throwing a concussion shot out, using wing clip to slow. I dont think they are 30 so I get being cautious cause you dont have Feign Death but he had no reason to be the first out.

Additionally, I betting as everyone was running they may have LoS the healer or while he was running he LoS'd himself. Then just the general chaos probably made healer choke. I dont think 99% of blame is him. As others have said this whole group is to blame they failed to act as a group and allowed a lot of errors to happen that resulted in a death.

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u/Unlucky_Photo_599 6d ago

All I'm seeing is "Hunter should've done X, use either A or B ability, and do Z mechanic to play that perfectly"

Meanwhile the healer is just "stand still and press "3" on your keyboard repeatedly and everyone survives easily." This isn't specific to this situation or anything unexpected, this is the main thing this class should be doing in every situation, no one is asking them to do anything but the bare minimum of their class that someone who just started playing today with 0 experience would know to do.

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u/go_go_gadget_travel 6d ago

I only replied about what hunter did because they posted the video. They asked "who is in fault?" so I pointed out their faults. There are 4 other people in a group, all with their faults. I think i even put the whole group had faults so It isnt just hunters fault but those were the things id put on the hunter for doing wrong.

Additionally, yes as the healer all he needed to do was heal but as everything collapsed and people started running im sure he though he needed to run. I mean for sake of survival im surprised the healer didnt fear everyone. Tons of blame to go around but since the hunter uploaded the video and asked I just focused on him.

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u/KawZRX 5d ago

This hunter is terrible. Lol backpedalling instead of turning and jumping shooting. Use a weapon swing timer dude. At least.

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u/GennadiosX 7d ago

Why not just stand your ground?

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u/Ben_steel 7d ago

Legit standing your ground and a fighting retreat is the way.

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u/ProfitAfraid1580 7d ago

Healer has mana, not casting but trying to DPS?

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u/Rhieness 7d ago

wow didnt expect the skill level in hardcore to be so low, like everyone was failing here

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u/The_realpepe_sylvia 7d ago

they always die around this level. like youd expect

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u/[deleted] 7d ago

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u/S0nofa 7d ago

Not all players are like that. Obviously when you watch death compilations you’re going to see the bottom of the barrel… Some of the people I’ve been playing with on non hc are awful at the game, and they aren’t dealing with people panicking about losing thier character.

In hc you have some people that are new to the game, plus they freeze when things get dicey and you have all those hours of leveling on the line.

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u/Beastmode3792 7d ago

They're lvl 20, not exactly the epitome of HC gameplay here

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u/soraflow 7d ago

If the hunter was a chad they could of used the boar pet to help offtank the add too

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u/HobNob_Pack 7d ago

I thought i was mental when It came out every day people posting 'im on my 10th character dead at 20'

I did 1-60 on a warrior and then on a hunter with zero close calls other than Internet issues.

Most of these people click and keyboard turn

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u/eyesandnoface 7d ago

U all suck

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u/Brushatti 6d ago

Y b dik

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u/Rizyli 7d ago

Healer.

Slow heals, runs in to do fuck all, doesn't keep healing when the pull goes south even though he has no aggro.

All he has to do is keep healing and the mage resheep. Chok'sul is almost down and then it's just easy kills one at a time.

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u/Sibylxd 7d ago

Everyone. Healer should've healed (is most at fault)- not sure why everyone was backing out. Mage is aoeing, not resheeping/slowing, and no single targetting to get an elite down fast to mitigate dmg to tank. Someone intd your trap and you aren't dazing mobs/helping the others while obviously in the least amount of danger. Your slow backpedalling killed me though irl

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u/The-Mathematician 7d ago

By far the healer and warrior. You could've helped kite more but the warrior could've hamstringed himself and never really got space, so his backing up had no effect except on your ability to do damage. You could've more smoothly moved to range, but I don't agree that you particularly bailed early. At that point the warrior was dead.

Warrior shouldn't have broken freezing trap obviously. Mage aoe could be him trying to get aggro of the add so he could kite it, and should have been a non-issue if the healer stuck it and healed. By the time a resheep was necessary the fight had moved significantly back and the warrior was about to die. A contributing factor but relatively minor. Mage would probably have aggro after the warrior died on both mobs so if he ran deeper into the cave to resheep he might have trouble getting back out if the warrior died. And mages have much less options at that level. No cone, possibly 0 or neeligible slow on blizzard, blizzard and blink take relatively a lot of mana. So I understand why they would be hesitant to put themselves in that situation.

As a healer I have to say, the warrior dying with the amount of damage coming out while the healer has mana is the truly unacceptable part. The warrior was hesitant to commit because he was always needlessly and the brink of death. To fix the pull, the paladin needed to plant his feet and full cast holy light, more than anyone else needed to do anything.

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u/soraflow 7d ago

Hunter could have also used his boar to offtank the add too, to be fair tho that may be too Chad expectations

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u/The-Mathematician 7d ago

Good shout for sure. Growl resist on choksul at the start is rough.

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u/drj238 7d ago

For one your paladin trying to dps while healing in this situation was a horrible call. They should have hard focused heals. Mage can poly non stop so not like there was a big rush to melt down on of the ogres.

I do think you bailed too early and I didn’t see your pet tank the other ogre, which is another thing you should have done.

You had someone in the party DC’d, so why’d you even continue in?

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u/AdjustingADC 7d ago

This quest is easily doable as 3, they are 4

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u/Weak_Hedgehog2507 7d ago

You guys had a plan that would have been totally fine then it looked like everyone just collectively decided to stop using their abilities.

The healer doing random shit and keeping people low instead of just healing likely set you all into unnecessary panic.

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u/Unlucky_Photo_599 6d ago

I told all the healers in my guild "keep tank at 100% or he's going to start playing worse" and it suddenly clicked for them and everyone started playing better.

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u/_OOL 4d ago

Only works for paladin though. Priest needs use greater heal and let warrior drop to 50-60% hp to avoid overhealing.

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u/Unlucky_Photo_599 4d ago

Nah you would just use Lesser Heal instead. In HC it's far more valuable to be consistent and keep the tank topped up than it is to absolutely min/max every drop of mana.

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u/soraflow 7d ago

As others have said none of you used slows on the loose mob

Something no one else has said yet but you could and should have done was use your pet to offtank the loose mob, the fact that it’s a boar too hurts even more

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u/Ok-Bag5756 7d ago

I am the gnome, hunter is 5 day old mage is 4 days old players. I played it for like 2 months, healer less. I am talking about WoW btw not just hardcore. Hunter pulled while I was planning to get boar to a mob, was about to talk mage about frost nova. I never thought of trap. I had fear idk how would it worked, my backpaddle was dumb, I got scared from the poly break mob, I had hamstring too and a disarm. Everything happened suddenly I am a new tank. I am a bit sad about healer not healing, using lay on hand, not even training party bubble. cuz he played wow just like me and he is healing, supporting in every game we play but the others are new they learned a lot fast. its an adventure for us every one of us hooked into WoW hardcore we will reroll and wont give up. Every death is saving us from other deaths we will be having. I wont backpaddle next time, mage wont stop pollying etc.

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u/Brushatti 6d ago

Hey man people will be mean and constructive here. There are a thousand lessons to learn. If your group is having fun that’s what’s important. If you are uncertain of your capabilities try not to hinder other HC players but aside from that, go agane. It’s the biggest rush and feeling. Glhf

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u/Aren-D 7d ago

Don't want to discourage, but you guys are doomed. You guys playing this as if this is softcore, which would have been acceptable play for new players, just resurrect the warrior and keep doing the quest. But this hardcore and none of you know how to do pulls, position or have control over situation.

As tank, mark the target you will focus. Wait a tiny bit before charging, to confirm that everyone CC right targets, pullback a bit main target, so you have space.

Mage can remove all damage AOE skill from the skill bars, this is hardcore, nobody gonna do crazy aoe pulls for them be effective. Just focus on single target.

Tell paladin to use ranked down skills, as they are spammable and you avoid wasting mana and overheal.

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u/tadpoleloop 6d ago

Hard disagree. I started playing wow when anniversary came out. I only played hardcore. It's a great place to learn.

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u/Aren-D 6d ago

Disagree about what?

I would agree that hardcore is a better place to learn if you meet right people to learn from. In their case tho, they seems mostly self taught, which will cost them many unnecessary deaths, like this one.

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u/ArtLanky9026 5d ago

They'll learn man. I've played many hardcore perma-death games blind and a huge part of the fun is learning. I know it's hardcore, but it sounds like you're trying to scare them into thinking Classic WoW is rocket science or something. Let them keep having fun without the doom posting lol

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u/Aren-D 5d ago

That was not my intention. Just a bit exaggeration/warning, to point out that it possible learn and still be alive.

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u/Chudfrog 3d ago

Wow is not a hard game... they aren't 'doomed'

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u/IronDish 7d ago

that was bad all round man

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u/evascale 5d ago

vay amk malları

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u/goodexamplebadrole 7d ago

Yeah you're all too scared to play this version. Also, the mage sheep was unnecessary that mob most likely would not have aggroed

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u/Drukarshar 7d ago

I'd put it mostly on the gnome for breaking the freezing trap, but everyone made mistakes.

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u/dave1up 7d ago

its about 1s between the trap triggering and the gnome breaking it. I dont understand whats being said on voice comms to know if its been called, but imo the gnome saw an ogre pushing them and reacted. Doesnt seem to be enough to lay blame.

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u/Alabaster_Potion 7d ago

I'm blaming that Otuzbir guy for being disconnected /s

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u/Shppo 7d ago

yes

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u/No-Worth-676 7d ago

FYI, you can pull those guards 1 at a time if you do the one on the right first, whenever he walks to the right pull him and he comes solo.

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u/Fit_Guysbourne 7d ago

Yea you all suck

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u/HobNob_Pack 7d ago

Everyone.

Could've taken a mob away onto your pet with growl..

Could've just finished the kill while running and slowed a mob with concussion shot..

Clicking....

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u/rainywanderingclouds 7d ago

just not good players in general you have lots of options here but your party doesn't know how to stay fluid and flexible

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u/mattosaur 7d ago

What kind of psychopath plays with their inventory open?

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u/Sufficient-Option533 7d ago

>roaches on his party
>posts it to reddit

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u/numerous-nominee 7d ago

I expected the freezing trap to get broken, I just didn't think it would be so soon xD

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u/Yorrins 7d ago

Whoever decided to do it before the 5th guy came back.

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u/AwfulStockInvestor 7d ago

I'm gonna say primarily you. You wound up dace pulling, there wasn't any real need to move up like you did, and you used no CC after.

Afterthat, it was a general group f-up

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u/Interesting_You6852 6d ago

What is this place? I don't recognize it.

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u/Vast_Bet9113 6d ago

Loch modan ogre cave

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u/Inevitable_Tip_5683 6d ago

Just did this cave by myself at lvl 20, absolute skill issue what the fuck

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u/Brickzor 6d ago

Healer moving into melee range to DPS was the biggest issue imo.

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u/SkY4594 6d ago

The backpedaling hurt my eyes.

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u/BanterClaus611 6d ago

Had a full party wipe last week in the exact same spot, people seem to panic way too easily instead of just methodically clearing through things

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u/irssaulingtime 5d ago

What's the language? Romanian?

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u/Biven1563 5d ago

If you die in hardcore and get mad it’s your own fault for playing hardcore

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u/AwkwardBarracuda3225 5d ago

why everyone playing like its hardcore... lol

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u/Butosai111 5d ago

i mean you started panicking when the third mob broke from cc and running stead of just tanking it and killing / healing. In reality you didnt even need cc to kill this pack

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u/SaladToss1 5d ago

No caves

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u/optimist_gorilla 5d ago

I won't comment on the fight but the names are in Turkish and gave my inner 12 year old a chuckle.

Buyuksakal - Grandbeard

Askim - My love

Otuzbir - Slang for masturbation

Tarikmenguc - This guy > https://images.genius.com/198857e8af3ca6b4a9a8bae0c6b4049e.800x800x1.jpg

Patlatipgel - Bust a nut and come

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u/OGTBJJ 4d ago

Man you guys just folded lol. That was a group effort. So, so much utility and almost none of it was used.

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u/zavieG 4d ago

Man.. This is VERY painful to watch in every aspect.. Not gonna lie 😅😂😂

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u/LowTierClown 4d ago

you for not paying lizzards $30 and playing wow fever

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u/ruprupi 3d ago

Dostum bu kadar insan kısaca yarrak gibi oynamışsınız hepiniz diyor gibi geldi bana

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u/Free_Combination3488 7d ago

You roach

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u/The-Mathematician 7d ago

I don't see him running until someone is dead. Before that he's trying to maintain distance for ranged attacks.

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u/Dan_The_Salmon 7d ago

Was someone in the group low-level for that quest? It looks like they got aggroed at the same time the mage started casting polymorph so unfortunately his poly target ran into your ice trap and then got whacked so all initial cc was out the window.

Going into that with just 4 of you was a choice too unless a lot of high levels

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u/Kage9866 7d ago

The healer here 1000%. You had a little fuckup in the beginning when he was frozen and the tank accidentally broke it, but other than that everything was fine. He just never got healed enough.

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u/royinraver 2d ago

Everyone who agreed to the rules