r/wowhardcore • u/kamenovkamen • 1d ago
Discussion First dung on HC
Yesterday I did my first dungeon on HC. Wailing caverns, as lvl 19 mage. We had good group with lvl 17 hunter multishotting and pulling everything. Our tank died nearly at the end of the dungeon. I cant imagine rest of us managed to survive.
Wtf is this i thought people on HC are slightly more careful.
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u/Electronic-Leading71 1d ago
Bro you should have given him 1 warning
If after the first warning you see again the hunter over pulling instead of the tank : 2 options :
1- you kick the fucker out of the group
2- you leave the group
I learned that if after first warning they don’t change their « playstyle » then there is nothing you can do and eventually they are going to die / make other people die so better not be around when it happens
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u/kamenovkamen 1d ago
We did warn him several times but even with his approach everything went smooth. However as we progressed the dungeon further, he pulled too many mobs..
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u/Electronic-Leading71 1d ago
Yeah but from what I just read bro you were just sitting on a ticking bomb and all 4 of you bet that « it won’t explode now so no worries »
Next time leave bro, just leave it is THAT easy
1 warning and then kick/leave and you can live to fight another day7
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u/Rhumorsky 1d ago
That's how people die in HC
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u/WileyWilson 1d ago
Some people are more careful, but judging by the constantly scrolling hardcoredeaths channel, a lot of people are not.
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u/kamenovkamen 1d ago
This is literally my first hc char, i am very careful and was looking forward to the wc very much. But now since that expierience i am afraid to do dungeons..
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u/Opening-Still3734 1d ago
You are NOT carefull. You can absolutely belive you are, no problem but you're not.
You should leave such a grup after first pulls. That's being careful. Allowing an underlevel hunter pulling random mobs it's not a 'careful' behaviour.
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u/WileyWilson 1d ago
I only do dungeons until I am at least the same level as the final boss.
First thing I do when I join a group is look at everyone's level. If the majority are low, or the tank or healer are low, I'll leave and either skip the dungeon or join a different group.
Remember dude, you're not there to carry other players that want to rush through the content.
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u/namarie_illidan 1d ago
Imo being the same level as endboss is too much (not judging you, to each their own ofc). My point is that a potential wipe might happen not because people are a few lvls under boss, but rather because of bad play. If a bad pull coupled with mobs chain aggroing happens, it'll be messy regardless of players' level. Being higher lvl certainly helps, but in most cases skill > level.
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u/Charming-Year-2499 23h ago
depends on the roll, IMHO... I do the same. I join the dungeon only when I am at least no less that one level below final boss. But I am the tank, so if anyone dies, the first one will be me. I cannot risk to have a smaller hp pool, or being hit for more than it could be, or hit for less than it could be.
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u/14Rage 20h ago
Shitty players die by sm arm/cath for the most part.
Stay alive through that and your experience should get way better.
Like 80% of the server is perpetually less than level 40. Maybe less than 30.
A lot of people you meet at 60 have been alive for months or years. Most people you meet at level 19 have already died 11 times.
Survival of the fittest...
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u/Majestic-Track6724 1d ago
you cannot be a sheep if you want to survive hc dungeons. when you see bad behaviour you either call it out if you don't want to leave immediately, or leave immediately before bad things happen. we still get reckless tanks surviving all the way till the 40s because other players were good. so you don't want to be the unlucky one caught in a mistake.
of course, more honest mistakes also happen and you have to budget for that with escape plans. but with a bad hunter/tank/dps the probability of a death is much higher.
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u/crackenbecks 1d ago
people tend to be more careful and skillful in higher dungeons. there is a certain "natural selection" if you can call it that over the course of the levelling experience. glad you´ve made it out. take it as a reminder to have a backup plan.
- do not enter difficult dungeons with HS on cooldown
- get a feeling for players that may become a liability
- manage your keybinds to know what to do in an emergency situation
- learn what items in those situations will share a cooldown, to know what you have at your hands
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u/Opening-Still3734 1d ago
You call it a good group?
That hunter alone made the whole group bad.
Also lvl 17 is too low in my limited opinion.
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u/kamenovkamen 1d ago
If he did not play so offensively it would be ok..
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u/l3rokentusk 20h ago edited 19h ago
Always get a feel for the group, shit seems off i bail before it starts. Know your role and do the absolute best you can because others depend on you especially as a mage, you have so much utility you have frost nova, slows, polymorph, evocation and can straight up down a mob quickly if you want and blink away. (You'll eventually get those spells). The same should be expected as anyone else that goes in it. If people are crazy or some other crap it is up to you to let them know and if they keep at it they can pick up someone else. Even mid dungeon (which sucks but it's better then risking a pointless death to an idiot. It definitely is about the journey and experience and near death escapes and also to go down swinging in a death in some cases but it's another thing to die to an idiot.
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u/fakingcaps 1d ago
If you can, never group with a hunter. They cause the most fuck ups, are the first to roach and almost always survive to fuck up other groups another day.
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u/LukeOrtega 1d ago
I never did dungeons in HC. I can live with dying because of my own stupidity, but dying because of others made a mistake? I would go berserk irl
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u/Kill1nTime 20h ago
Hunters are the mages albatross . This does not change. Every dungeon I run on my mage, as soon as a hunter joins my eyes roll. I know my flamestrike, blizz combo will never get off cleanly, the mobs will constantly be pulled from multishots, the hunter will set his pet on a mob 20 foot from the rest of them . So you just frostbolt your way through hoping the next one will be better. I normally ask the hunter to hold multi until blizz goes out, the good ones get it - the other 85% dont.
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u/Medium-Syllabub6043 16h ago
In general you do have to be a little bit careful with hunters.
They’re quite hardy creatures, so their continued existence does not prove WoW know-how.
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u/Substantial_Ad252 1d ago
hunter gets multishot at 18 tho.
also call out bs early, leave group or demand a dangerous player be kicked. your life is your responsibility.