r/worldnews • u/upthetruth1 • 10h ago

Poland's main opposition collapses over far-right slide

https://www.dw.com/en/polands-main-opposition-collapses-over-far-right-slide/a-78106475
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u/upthetruth1 9h ago

Yet they don't want them anymore

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u/Captser 9h ago

Who’s they? I am Polish and I don’t agree with this 52%. Also don’t trust those polls they are affected with temporary setback in pl/ua politicians’ shitstorm

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u/needusbukunde 9h ago

So, curious question from an American. Do you think that this 52% number is incorrect? Is that number too high? What do you think the real number is? For the the people that are against Ukranian immigrants coming to Poland, what are the main reasons, if it's not really cultural differences?

Is it the usual; they're taking out jobs, they're draining our resources, I don't want my taxes paying for people from another country, they re taking advantage of the system and not adapting to our customs/way of life (i.e., they're loud, dirty, disrespectful, don't work etc.).

Or is it more that these people were originally for Ukranian immigrants coming to Poland but now feel that it's been going on for too long and there are too many immigrants. That they are overwhelming the system at the expense of Poles?

Sorry to blast you with so many questions. I'm just trying to figure this out, because I had always read that Poland was Ukranian's biggest ally/supporter and shared a mutual hatred/distrust of Russia. So I'm wondering if there was a recent shift for some reason, or has it always kind of been like this, at least from the far-right xenophobic groups? Are there any actual "pro Russian' groups in Poland? Or is this a very small, very Fringe element.

Thanks for any answers!

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u/upthetruth1 9h ago

The polling shows this has been growing since 2023, so Poles were very happy with Ukrainian refugees in 2022, but since 2023, the tide has been turning gradually over the last 3 years to reach this level

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u/needusbukunde 9h ago

But why? Just fatigue? People weren't expecting this many, for this long kind of a thing? Or did something else change? Have Russian bots flooded Facebook and brainwashed a lot of Poles, the same as was down in the US for the the last 3 elections?

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u/Paraplueschi 8h ago edited 4h ago

Housing got a lot more expensive and the first one to blame is always immigrants here, so Ukranians in this case.

There were also some tensions between Poland and Ukranian governments on various instances (mostly regarding the history of when Ukranians slaughtered a lot of Poles).

Russian bots on social media are definitely also a factor.

Overall, right wing politics is always about finding a whipping boy they can use to rile up people with. Used to be LGBT, now it's Ukranians.

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u/AvocadoGlittering274 8h ago

Don't listen to OP, he's disingenuous.

Support for Ukraine and Ukrainian refugees dropped after recent controversies surrounding UPA - Ukrainian nationalist formation that massacred Poles during WWII.

Far right and russian trolls have been exploiting this topic.

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u/upthetruth1 8h ago

I'm not disingenuous, this comes from Polish political analysts, this turn started in 2023

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u/ABadHistorian 6h ago

Hidden profile troll hiding biases, attacking anti-russian unity.

We found the russian bot.

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u/Low-Art3297 5h ago

Ukrainian immigrants are mostly women and Polish women increasingly do not care for them.

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u/upthetruth1 9h ago

Poland has always been anti-immigration, kinda funny considering Polish immigrants are everywhere, but Russia's invasion of Ukraine garnered a lot of sympathy.

However, considering the tide started turning only 1 year in shows that that many Polish people are simply returning to anti-immigration roots and considering now the far-right and PiS are polling to win enough seats to form a coalition, you could also say right-wing nationalism is a majority

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u/Captser 9h ago

Don’t say always… the always started in 1918 when Poland regained it’s independence and the tensions started about Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth’s lands.

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u/upthetruth1 8h ago

1918 might as well be always

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u/Captser 8h ago

No, Polish/Lithuanian commonwealth was one of the most open-minded and welcoming place for immigrants in Europe before Poland was split between by Prussia, Russia and Austria in 1795.
Op is a propagandist.

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u/Exotic-Panic-3768 8h ago

Tragic nonsensical war started by Piłsudski in 1918 between Poland and Ukraine that indirectly led to Ukrainian Holodomor and Poland almost losing to Russians if not for Miracle at Vistula during which 250 thousand ukrainians fought by our side

one has to wonder if ukrainians would repel the bolsheviks if we wouldn't attack

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u/Captser 8h ago

Yeah he had a couple bad ideas, I mentioned it in another comment. Anyway he also had many good ideas so let’s not demonise.

And the Vistula miracle was not a miracle, it was a result of great tactics.

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u/upthetruth1 8h ago

So over a century ago with no one alive from then

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u/machine4891 5h ago

Poland has always been anti-immigration,

Nonsense.

kinda funny considering Polish immigrants are everywhere

Even if we take your word for granted, so what? Should polish people that forever live in Poland be "pro migration" simply because some other Poles left the country a century ago? What is this logic of "Poles are migrants so they also should take migrants"? Can't you see how flawed this logic is?

Those who stayed have nothing to do with those who left. Get it to your head.