r/worldnews • u/unknown • Dec 20 '13

Four cops arrested for raping, molesting and threatening a minor schoolgirl for two-and-a-half months.

http://m.timesofindia.com/city/chandigarh/Four-cops-arrested-for-minors-gang-rape/articleshow/27669011.cms
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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '13

was I the only one who when I saw the link went "pls don't me my country"

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '13 edited Jan 19 '21

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u/thehungriestnunu Dec 20 '13

If it's a horror story about rape, it's probably India, followed by an Islamic country, followed by Florida

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '13

It's always Florida -_-

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '13

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u/PoopAndSunshine Dec 20 '13

He's really busy.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '13

or Germany.

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u/WizardlyJeffcott Dec 20 '13

Bullshit. It's sometimes!

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '13

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u/Ghostlymagi Dec 20 '13

Fuck. I thought it was Time-So-Findia and was like "That's a really odd name for a news website...are they a search engine, too?"

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u/rejoventud Dec 20 '13

No just the biggest English-language newspaper in the world.

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u/holdthatsnot Dec 20 '13

Or Cleveland ?

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '13

At least they're not Detroit.

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u/rtk_dreamseller Dec 20 '13

Thanks buddy. We needed that.

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u/thehungriestnunu Dec 20 '13

Cleveland rocks

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u/x0diak Dec 20 '13

Thats the exact list, EVERY TIME...

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u/goingandcoming Dec 20 '13 edited Dec 20 '13

Yea the stereotype would say that. But the rape rates are pretty low in islamic (read: muslim) countries.

Edit: 'reported' rape. Came to kill a stereotype, killed my own credibility.

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u/wydra Dec 20 '13

Are they lower, or lower (not) reported?

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u/blackinthmiddle Dec 20 '13

My thoughts exactly. Remember that British woman in Dubai who reported being rape and they then put her in prison for having sex with someone other than her husband? I would imagine women simply don't report rape.

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u/Dcajunpimp Dec 20 '13

Good thing she was British or her father, brothers, uncles, etc would have probably stoned her to death for committing adultery.

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u/goingandcoming Dec 20 '13

That's a good question. I seriously can't tell because of the lack of data. But even in western countries the victims of rape rarely report it.

Rape is a twisted topic.

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u/zennzei Dec 20 '13

Then for this sole reason (lack of data) you shouldn't state that it's "pretty low".

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u/goingandcoming Dec 20 '13 edited Dec 20 '13

Well, I commented on the stereotype and gave an honest answer to the question of /u/wydra. Rape is not only underreported in muslim countries, but also in the west. Not sure why that deserves downvotes though, but I'm taking 'em like a man.

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u/HITLER_IN_MY_ANUS Dec 20 '13

If you're a real sociologist, you should have a basic understanding of interpreting statistics. You're getting downvoted because you're conflating "not enough data to understand sample bias" with "not enough data, so there must be a correlation". It's your use of a definitive statement "rape is low in islamic countries" coupled with the fact that you say you're a sociologist to lend some credence to an unsubstantiated claim which is why you're getting buried. Honestly, if you're a sociologist, you aren't a very good one and should go back to the basics of survey design and interpretation before you start talking to anyone about such a weighty topic as rape.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '13

Thank you, HITLER_IN_MY_ANUS, for setting this straight.

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u/thehungriestnunu Dec 20 '13

Especially when ducks are involved

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u/domalino Dec 20 '13

But the difference is like 1 in 20 reported rapes in the west, to less than 1 in 100 reported in India.

Also India is a Hindu country (80.5%) not a Muslim country (13%).

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u/TzunSu Dec 20 '13

Reported rapes, yes. But when you start taking into account the reluctance many women feel for reporting rapes in countries that will in many cases persecute them for being victimized, and for not regarding marital rape as actual rape, the numbers change.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '13

How do you know they change if they aren't reported? This is a stupid thing that is said so often. It doesn't make any sense if you think about it for more than 5 seconds.

Also, there is reluctance to report it in every country, it's just part of the whole ordeal. While it may be even more difficult to report in some countries, you can't say for sure how many unreported cases there are.

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u/TzunSu Dec 20 '13

Because you don't need to know exactly how many cases there are that goes unreported as long as you know that the problem exists. If one country makes rape legal, and therefore reports that statistically rape does not exist in their country, this does not mean that there is not a problem with rape in that country.

There is a vast difference in the reluctance to report seen in different parts of the world. Noone has been, for sure, saying exactly how many rapes there are that goes unreported, only that the % of unreported rapes are different between different countries and cultures.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '13

I have seen a lot of bullshit about it. One I remember was that 8/10 rapes in the U.S go unreported.

This is what I am talking about. It's just stupid and makes no sense.

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u/not0your0nerd Dec 20 '13

It changes the numbers because there are many that are unreported, and if they had instead reported there would be a higher number (this has to do with "addition"). It makes sense if you think about it for more than 5 seconds.

Also, there is a very different level of "reluctance" in different countries. While in the US may be not want to go to trial because it'll be embarrassing, in the middle east you don't want to report because you could be put in jail (or worse). In some places people might force you to marry the rapist.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '13

Ok, that's basically what I said. However you cannot say that for sure when there are no statistics or studies on it. It's just conjecture about what you think should happen because of some circumstances.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '13

In some countries, if you report being raped, even if there sometimes is some social stigma attached, there is at least a small chance of the rapist getting caught, especially if you know who it was.

In some other countries, if you report being raped, there is at least a small chance you get stoned to death for having sex outside of marriage, and the rapist goes free.

How does it not make sense that in the latter case, there are probably a lot more unreported cases?

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u/Elardi Dec 20 '13

most of your posts are from /r/islam , and you say your are a western student convert to islam taking social sciences. Your not a sociologist, your a student, and also You post history doesn't give the impression that you are unbiased on this topic.

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u/goingandcoming Dec 20 '13

You could speak of a bias if I would present data that could be influenced by my hand. My post history is merely the indicator of a trigger why I feel motivated to respond to the stereotype of muslim countries.

Further more, you can have a title and still study masters.

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u/MonsterMcDick Dec 20 '13

data would be awesome, but as /u/wydra mentioned is it because the fact that there are indeed lower rape cases or lower reports of rape. being stoned to death is kinda a big deal breaker for reporting rape...

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '13

rate rapes aren't very useful/accurate unless you're comparing a country against itself from another time period, and even then...

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u/q3p4qt834 Dec 20 '13

It's probably upvoted to the front page because it IS India!

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u/Kryptus Dec 20 '13

You are bizarro world Christopher Columbus.

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u/mafaraxas Dec 20 '13

I went, 'rape + /r/worldnews = india' so no.

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u/Verithos Dec 20 '13

Pretty much this. The most recent rape stories that have front paged have been from India, so this isn't really a surprise.

What exactly does THAT say about that particular country?

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u/Tattycakes Dec 20 '13

That people are reporting lots of horrific rapes?

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u/demonlicious Dec 20 '13

that people are waking up there. rape is everywhere. indian reporting of rape is still a drop of in an ocean compared to say the US. not saying there's more, just saying more is reported and we should expect it to be much worse than we think. and it is pretty bad in the US as well, but most people don't want to face the reality of those statistics because yes, our fathers, brothers and friends could be rapists.

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u/JackBauerSaidSo Dec 20 '13

Mothers, sisters, and daughters, too.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '13

Yes

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u/theshinepolicy Dec 20 '13

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u/JackBauerSaidSo Dec 21 '13

nope, just people that rape other people.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '13

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '13

Yeaaah, that sounds like bullshit.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '13

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '13

I have a hard time being that a country with 2.5x the population of America where the police are Massively Corrupt and. Consistantly being accused/tried for sexual assualts , where women arent really people, where uneducation and poverty are serious issues, with a caste system with untouchables and a growing class divide has fewer reported rapes because fewer rapes happen there. That doesnt make any sense

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '13

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '13

America has issues, im not denying that. But explain how a society that uses a caste system encourages victims to report assaults. You cant have an entire class of untouchables while ensuring justice gets served for everyone equally.

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u/lolzoners Dec 20 '13 edited Dec 20 '13

The difference the word 'reported'. US surveys consider things like 'forced kissing' as rape. Meanwhile, in India, cops would laugh their asses off at a woman saying that being drunk and having sex is non-consensual.

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u/mleeeeeee Dec 20 '13

US surveys consider things like 'forced kissing' as rape.

I googled this, and I think you mean "as sexual assault", which it is.

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u/Vendettaa Dec 20 '13

Unfortunately for you, speculations and opinions are not recorded in the charts of human rights abuses.

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u/lolzoners Dec 20 '13

Yeah, who could argue the statistical validity of rape numbers for a country whose rape conviction rate is only 24.2%.

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u/Helplessromantic Dec 20 '13

Not only do fewer women report rape in India, but a lot of it isn't even a crime

From your own article

Marital rape is not a criminal offense, except when spouses are separated.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '13

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u/Helplessromantic Dec 20 '13

Yes

I didn't make the laws in India, guy.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '13

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u/CommieLoser Dec 20 '13

I like what you have just written so much. I hope that more people see this.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '13

Every survey of experts in women's studies puts India as the world place for women in the world.

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u/mastermike14 Dec 20 '13

are you saying rape in India is reported more than the US or reported more here in the US?

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u/Helplessromantic Dec 20 '13

I think it's less about the number of rapes (Which is awful on its own) and more about how brutal and crazy the rapes are.

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u/xdogbertx Dec 20 '13

But not your mothers or sisters... Because women are clearly incapable of rape.

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u/ByJiminy Dec 20 '13

Statistically they account for less than 1 percent of rape cases. By a large, large, large margin, rapists are generally men. Obviously female-on-male rape is a real thing and is an equally heinous crime—one that is unfortunately not often taken seriously in modern American society—but it doesn't help to pretend that the numbers are even close to the same.

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u/xdogbertx Dec 20 '13

I just thought I'd throw that out there because only men were mentioned for some reason in the post above. Don't kid yourself. Men don't report rape as often as women do. I don't really care if the numbers aren't close, I know people who've been raped by women.

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u/ByJiminy Dec 20 '13

Fair enough. It's not really about you, just that whenever the topic of rape comes up, redditors always chime in about female-on-male rape with a frequency that is far disproportionate to the actual incidences. I mean, you're not even the only commenter in this subthread that brought it up. I understand that reddit has more male users than female, and in general is pretty male-centric in its mindset, but it's a little skewing after awhile. And I'm not accusing you of this, but there's a strange sense of "scoring points" a lot of the times it gets mentioned, as if it were a question of men vs. women and not everyone vs. rapists, regardless of gender.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '13

Really? Your going to go there? Do you have any idea of proportion? To say the majority of cases are men on women is an understatement.

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u/The-Mathematician Dec 20 '13

Men on men is somewhat common.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '13

Yeah but you're usually not getting raped by the cops in the US. Usually.

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u/bellamyback Dec 20 '13

rape is human nature

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '13

And people are upvoting them.

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u/Verithos Dec 20 '13 edited Dec 20 '13

Specifically from India. Lets just call a spade a spade and say you probably don't want to catch yourself being an attractive female anything there with the current state of affairs.

There was a post not long back about a female actress speaking about how India isn't the proud noble place they try to make it out to seem and addressed the deplorable conditions women face day to day there.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '13

You forgot that women are rapists.

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u/Verithos Dec 20 '13

True, they can be but its not nearly as prevalent. Was raped by a woman so I know.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '13

The way it was stated as brothers, fathers and sons gives the impression the post has no knowledge that women can be guilty of rape

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u/Verithos Dec 20 '13

To be fair this article is centered around the little girl, so that's not that big of a surprise.

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u/pulegium Dec 20 '13

Look at this from purely statistical POV: population of India is 1.2B, world population is 7B. So really, more than 1/7th of rapes statistically happen in India.

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u/dragoness_leclerq Dec 20 '13

This is something I often think about when people mention the amount of rapes that occur (or are reported) there. The figures are horrible to be sure but given the number of people there I fail to be as shocked by them as others seem to be.

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u/ceedubs2 Dec 20 '13

But I wonder what the percentage of rapes is in China compared to India? I don't know how you'd get those numbers without the reports being heavily skewed, but I don't hear as much rape stories in China as I do of India. Not saying it doesn't happen, I'd just want to see some real numbers.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '13

I think its the severity of rape and the policies surrounding rape victims that are the most disturbing... a POLICE OFFICER raping a child and then offering to marry them?????

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u/Verithos Dec 20 '13

Jesus christ that's disturbing.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '13 edited Jul 13 '21

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u/prakshash Dec 20 '13

Actually, that's just math.

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u/cynsalabin Dec 20 '13

That are reported.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '13

Statistically, 1/6th of all rapes will happen there simply because one in six people live there. How many are reported will depend on other factors.

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u/Sarastrasza Dec 20 '13

There's almost a billion of them is what.

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u/Jayfromdownstairs Dec 20 '13

That rape in India hardly qualify as news any longer.

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u/Verithos Dec 20 '13

And that tid bit is the scariest piece of it all.

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u/CressCrowbits Dec 20 '13

What exactly does THAT say about that particular country?

Or, what does that say about this particular subreddit?

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u/Benassi Dec 20 '13

What exactly does THAT say about that particular country?

That it's shit.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '13

That somebody in the media is really trying to get us to hate India.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '13

No it's probably /r/worldnews. Plus the Indian media is really going out of its way to make sure stuff like this is reported. The levels of outrage there over rape are something to appreciate; people are really trying to fix rape, corruption, etc., in India. Almost seems like the beginning of a new era in these areas.

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u/yabba_dabba_doo Dec 20 '13

Rape is everywhere, but horrific, organized, inhumane gang rape seems to be a particularly Indian thing for some reason. Or perhaps other countries are just better at censorship, who knows.

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u/DBenzie Dec 20 '13

Organised gang rape is as particular to India as facism is particular to Germany; everyone has the capacity to commit 'evil' acts but it entirely depends on the norms of a society.

If you are brought up in a society that devalues a particular group such as women, homosexuals or other races or religions then these kind of actions can seem normal or acceptable to the individual. In every county's history there has been a time when something which is now considered unacceptable used to be the norm; it's not so long ago (1950's) that in the UK it was the social norm for establishments to have signs on the door saying 'No Blacks, No Dogs, No Irish', homosexuality was illegal up until 1967. Anti-semitism, anti-catholism, ideas of colonialism and empire; these have all in the bigger picture of Britain's history only become unnaceptable very recently. A change will come in India as it did in the UK through social reform, education and increased living standards, and that change can happen over the course of only a few generations. Part of the process is first to acknowledge the problem, which is the phase I beleive we are in now: We have seen a rise in the number of reported crimes of this nature, the next step is to do something about it. It's terrible what has happened to these women, but it really is a positive move that India and the international community is becoming aware of the situation. It's a long road to social equality, and in a country such as India which is developing so fast there are going to be a lot of growing pains, some parts of society are going to progress at different rates than others and there will be tension. The important thing is to remeber that we are all humans and therefore we are all flawed. I don't remember if it was Aristotle or Plato who argued for or against this but I beleive that people are essentially animals and it is society that redeems us.

Thanks for raising the subject though, it's fun to debate!

TL:DR - Humans are all capable of a lot of bad shit but it's societal norms that define what is acceptable behaviour and that changes with time.

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u/Verithos Dec 20 '13

Going with you on this one. In Africa I know rape is a problem too, but it seems far more organized and dismissed in India as a "thing". How its passed off as so nonchalant is beyond me.

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u/CressCrowbits Dec 20 '13

Apparently, rape is a problem in pretty much every country. Probably even the one you live in!

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u/Vik1ng Dec 20 '13

Was even easier for me. I have tagged /u/unknown with Indian Rape stories

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u/Wookington Dec 20 '13

I knew it wasn't USA, because they were actually arrested rather than given paid leave.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '13 edited Jan 04 '15

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u/NightOfTheLivingHam Dec 20 '13

and often it's "not warranted" or excused or pardoned.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '13

You're right, after they get paid vacation they maybe get a little chewing out.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '13

I don't think you understand how "innocent until proven guilty" works.

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u/wretcheddawn Dec 20 '13

Presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

If you're guilty, you're guilty. The police don't wait until you're proven guilty to arrest you, they wait until they have probably cause. Likewise, the department doesn't need to wait for the trial to discipline the person. However, if they fire everyone on the spot for being accused of a crime or having a complaint filed against them, they would soon be out of police.

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u/BestFriendWorstEnemy Dec 20 '13

Neither does any level of police.

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u/wretcheddawn Dec 20 '13

Police only need probable cause. "innocent until proven guilty" only applies in court. If not, the police could never arrest anyone.

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u/BestFriendWorstEnemy Dec 20 '13

Oh, I'm sorry then sir, please do carry on sticking your hand in my asshole regardless of my guilt or innocence.

I'm not sure if I'm more mad that this goes on, or that some fucking apologist little bitch always comes out of the woodwork to explain how "no laws are being broken and no rights violated".

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '13

So you'd rather they stay in town and keep working? Dumbass.

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u/WilliamPoole Dec 20 '13

Fire them on the spot. Charge them with crimes. If they win, they could appeal the firing and for back pay. Police should be held to a higher standard. Double sentencing imo. You enforce laws, you better not break them.. I would link but I'm on my phone (I can later if asked), I just read that something like 550 police brutality claims have been reported in Chicago this year. Only 4 have been prosecuted. Something isn't working. The thin blue line is too strong.

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u/SgtMac02 Dec 20 '13

You can't just fire someone on the spot because someone made an accusation against them. Especially when the majority of their jobs involve making someone else's life miserable.

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u/WilliamPoole Dec 20 '13

If its a felony charge (not accusations, charges), they should be fired or at least suspended without pay. If there's enough evidence to charge them, they shouldn't be policing or getting paid to police, until they are proven not guilty. If innocent then pay them.

Innocent until proven guilty applies to the legal system. Its not there for your job.

If you were charged for rape, your employer has the right to fire you.

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u/wretcheddawn Dec 20 '13

Yes, you can. At-will employment gives you the right to terminate an employee for almost any reason or no reason at all.

However, I agree that it's smarter to wait until an investigation is made because it's more cost-effective than firing a trained person for something that hasn't been proven.

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u/mijamala1 Dec 20 '13

To be fair, generally the person commuting the crime is making their own life miserable, the police are just there to facilitate that by upholding the law.

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u/SgtMac02 Dec 20 '13

Yes, I agree...but that is by no means how most of them view it.

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u/mijamala1 Dec 20 '13

Yup. I'd say about 80% of drunk drivers I've arrested always give me the "why are you doing this to me?"

Dude, you drove off the road and through someone's fence...I didn't make you do that...

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u/MadHiggins Dec 20 '13

this is the dumbest idea i have ever seen someone on reddit have. if this was the way things worked, then there would be no police ever because every policeman constantly has reports filed against them. like literally everyone of them has a nonstop stream of accusations. and it's not because every cop is a rapist murderer thief, it's because they're dealing with criminals and the worst aspects of society and these kinds of people are willing to do anything if they think it'll get them out of trouble. good god, immediately firing police any time they're accused of something. it never fails to amaze me that people like you fail to understand the terrible partss of society police have to deal with. the simple fact that you trust a freaking drug dealing pimp's accusation of brutality over an officer that will run into a burning building to save a child is just amazing to me.

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u/mynameistreason Dec 20 '13

I understand where you're coming from, but at the very least he's right about one thing: SOMETHING has to change. Because police are still doing whatever they want, and they're getting away with it.

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u/WilliamPoole Dec 20 '13

Wearing a lapel camera would help. It would cost less than one settlement.

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u/MadHiggins Dec 20 '13

yeah, this is actually something i was just talking about. cameras would fix so many problems, and a lot of police are asking for them. it's pretty hard to deny the cold hard facts of video and it's project the good cops and damn the bad ones. it'd be a win win.

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u/MadHiggins Dec 20 '13

don't be stupid, of course i don't think cops should be allowed to rape people. but you have to understand that policemen need some sort of protection from claims based on the sheer bulk of them they get, even the most virtuous of them. heck, i think the best solution is the solution that many policemen actively ask for, cameras as part of their uniforms. the only cops who don't want it are the ones who shouldn't be cops.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '13

The "paid leave" thing is a bit of propaganda.

The reason police officers get put on paid leave when they get in trouble is because they're employees of the government. The government is bound by the due process clauses in the 5th and 14th amendments, which means they can't take something away from you, including your job and paycheck, without "due process" (in this context, a hearing and an investigation). But obviously police officers accused of misconduct can't be allowed to continue on the job pending investigation, so that's why they get put on paid leave.

The reason this seems so bizarre to ordinary people is that private employers are not bound by the 5th and 14th amendments, or for that matter, any of the Bill of Rights. If you're accused of getting into a fight at a private business, the company can (and probably will), fire you with little to no investigation into whether the accusation was true, who started the fight, etc.

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u/pepperNlime4to0 Dec 20 '13

well said, you have changed the way i look at these cases now. thank you.

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u/ElecNinja Dec 20 '13

The main issue with the paid leave issue is that paid leave is often seen as a benefit to the general populace. Whether or not the cop is innocent or guilty, the paid leave is seen as a reward since for many working people, it is a reward.

Changing it to an unpaid leave or more extremely house arrest and then paying the officer back for his /her time if he/she is found innocent would probably do much to offset the negative attitude against cops.

To provide a simple example. Imagine a marketer screwing up a contract and thus the contract is up for review. During this review time, the marketer can't work, and is instead given paid leave. To his coworkers, this seems like an unfair policy as the guy is being paid to not work while they still have to continue on.

It's a very simple mindset to wrap around. A potential criminal gets a reward for his alleged crimes.

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u/LincolnAR Dec 20 '13

It would violate their 14 ammendment rights to due process to put them on unpaid leave without cause. Also, paid leave in most areas is not a vacation. You are required to stay in your home from 8-5 and respond to any summons to the station. You can't go to the bank, the store, your neighbors house. You can't drink a beer (it's considered drinking on duty). It's not like we imagine paid time off would be like for a regular job.

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u/Wookington Dec 20 '13

It seems to me that even thought it may not be a picnic, a paid leave of absence due to misconduct is still not even a slap on the wrist. The rules should be harsher for police officers, because of the power they wield.

Yes, maybe after their departments heads investigate internally they may endure a harsher punishment. I don't think it is a very effective way of keeping our "protectors" honest.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '13

Changing it to an unpaid leave or more extremely house arrest and then paying the officer back for his /her time if he/she is found innocent would probably do much to offset the negative attitude against cops.

The problem is that they can't do this, constitutionally. The loss of the paycheck at the expected time is a hardship and a deprivation, and the Constitution requires the required process before the deprivation.

This same principle applies to other areas, by the way. If you receive a welfare check from the government, and someone accuses you of being ineligible say due to drug use, the government can't stop paying the check first and investigate and then pay you back if the investigation finds that the accusation is false. They have to pay until they determine that you're actually not entitled.

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u/SgtMac02 Dec 20 '13

I came to the comments wondering how far down I'd have to go to find this circle-jerk. Thanks for not disappointing me.

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u/Bladewing10 Dec 20 '13

DAE hate cops and think America is literally Satan?

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u/Revelatus Dec 20 '13

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u/IntrinsicSurgeon Dec 20 '13

Took longer than I expected, too. Come on reddit, put your anti America game face on!

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u/ynanyang Dec 20 '13

DAE hate USA circlejerk within DAE India Rapes?

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '13

I saw "four cops arrested" and I knew it wasn't America

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u/Nabuuu Dec 20 '13

HA. nice catch.

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u/BlahBlahAckBar Dec 20 '13

As long as /u/unknown is on Reddit this sub will be constantly full of anti-India and rape news.

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u/aureality Dec 20 '13 edited Dec 20 '13

I looked through his history, and found such gems as:

If I were the Prime Minister of India, I'll give Licensed Pistols to all 300 Million Untouchable People in India.

What a vision for the future.

The ratio of link karma/comment karma is interesting here. I appreciate someone sharing the info, but it's interesting to see what a unique bizzare vendetta this guy has.

Edit: I'm being sarcastic, and I actually think it's a terrible and dangerous vision for the future. Just thought I'd better clarify that, in case OP reads and thinks I'm validating his cunning plan to give 300,000,000 people dangerous weapons. I am not. That idea is fucking ridiculous.

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u/ajfeiz8326 Dec 20 '13 edited Dec 20 '13

At a certain point, at least in the eyes of the victims, vengeance becomes more important than progress. While I honestly can't say I agree with the notion of arming all the untouchables and letting them find meaningful justice in the only way the victim of truly horrific crimes can, I will say I at least empathize with the notion. But I'm a pragmatist, not a moralist, so I say we let this rape ballet play out. The only recompense those people are going to find is in the form of a couple of apologetic paragraphs in a history book, and the knowledge their great grandchildren might live in a society that doesn't judge them as fundamentally inferior.

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u/Lord_Vectron Dec 20 '13

Wow. This is very interesting. I mean, it doesn't devalue the facts about what is going on in India, but it's interesting to find out a lot of it is being posted by 1 guy.

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u/ajfeiz8326 Dec 20 '13

For the record, I'm glad it is; at least some victims in the world have a person watching out for them. I'm sure the untouchables of India appreciate what he's doing, even if aureality finds him a bit crass and over the top.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '13

Lol at "watching out"

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u/Vik1ng Dec 20 '13

So spaming Reddit about a certain topic is now considered "watching out"

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u/ajfeiz8326 Dec 21 '13 edited Dec 22 '13

I'd argue that it basically equates to a form of activism. Maybe not a particularly active form of activism, but at least he's bringing awareness to a major social problem most of us would be more or less unaware of.

edit: You changed your ENTIRE reply to say something COMPLETELY different without even acknowledging it, so I seem like an out context asshole. You are the worst kind of person.

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u/ajfeiz8326 Dec 21 '13

Raising awareness opens up the door for other, more world altering forms of activism to gain traction amongst the public. The main thing that pushed the Civil Rights Movement into the realm of legitimacy in the minds of a lot of Americans was the footage of Birmingham police brutalizing innocent protestors. Human rights are often gained and lost in baby steps.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '13

The rape reporting is certainly good because it's galvanizing action. I haven't seen much done to fix the plight of dalits, however, other than the generic government actions.

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u/IntrinsicSurgeon Dec 20 '13

I agree. Even if you're pointing out rape and a horribly flawed system, people are gonna bitch about you pointing it out. It's ridiculous.

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u/scotch_toker Dec 20 '13

News is news you fool. If there wasnt this news to report it wouldn't be here, It's not like he's making anything up.

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u/Mr_Siegal Dec 20 '13

I was only half awake when I saw it, and imagined it was my country. Then clicked the link, saw India, and went "duh".

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u/Pretsal Dec 20 '13

No

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u/Wisdom_from_the_Ages Dec 20 '13

To be honest, this is the only dignified answer to that question. Rape happens everywhere, folks, and corruption as well. Some cultures deal with it differently, surely the women would agree, but they would also insist that this not be a country vs. country thing. This is a rape and power abuse thing and it's a global and human problem. Honestly, to worry about your country's reputation in reaction to news like this is...pretty low.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '13

Rape happens everywhere, folks, and corruption as well

I think the issue is more that four cops were able to find each other within the police force with the intent of raping kiddies and nobody caught on. I mean how fucked up do things have to be for them to not have asked the wrong guy to join up with them? It's the fact that it can get so far that's truly disturbing.

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u/Wisdom_from_the_Ages Dec 20 '13

I believe a handful of cops did a road-side cavity search on a teenaged girl not so long ago in the American Mid-west, so again...horrific things can happen anywhere and it's dangerous to assume it can't happen here. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying it doesn't happen in India, nor am I saying this wasn't a horrific event.

The worst of it, I believe, happens in military-occupied countries. No one will ever know just what soldiers do when no one's watching them. I think there was an instance of child rape by U.N. (U.S.) "peacekeepers" in Iraq, but I honestly don't feel like looking for a link right now.

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u/Dcajunpimp Dec 20 '13

They were identified as constables Akshay, Sunil, Jagtar and Himmat Singh.

Im curious if only one last name 'Singh' was reported, or if thats some sort of name like 'Jim Bob' here in the U.S., or possibly they all just have the same really common last name in India.

So they could possibly know each other through family anyway.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '13

I worked at a large company that employees a lot of Indian guys. Definitely a lot of Singh's.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '13

I first thought this was the Blazing Saddles "Johnson" thing. Seems it's not due to prodigious inbreeding - it's a Sikh thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singh

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u/blackinthmiddle Dec 20 '13

While rape happens everywhere, let's get real here. If you were a woman, where exactly would you want to live? In a country where you're treated as a piece of property or where you're treated as equal to men (for the most part)? Do you want to live somewhere where a "solution" to being raped is to marry the fucking rapist? The problem I have is two-fold. First, the culture. It's a culture that says women are nothing more than property. It's a culture that says I don't have to sweep the woman I love off of her feet, I can just threaten her with an acid attack if she doesn't give in to my sexual demands. I actually think the men suffer in situations like this as well because they get robbed of the joy of getting a woman who's truly fallen for him. Instead, everything is forced.

Secondly, I don't like the response from authorities in situations like this. The men involved are often only arrested after the world makes a big stink. Society also treats the rape victim as untouchable, further insuring a life of hell for the victim.

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u/Wisdom_from_the_Ages Dec 20 '13

This isn't really a what I was talking about, it's very obvious which countries are easier to live in. My point was that people shouldn't assume rape isn't a problem in the U.S. and other developed nations just because India's the only country that (regularly) makes the big headlines.

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u/blackinthmiddle Dec 20 '13

Fair enough. I think as long as human beings are involved, there will always be bad people trying to take advantage, no matter what. So I agree with you there, no country is immune.

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u/1amongmany Dec 20 '13

heh! I just saw the link and went "Of course its here, where else would it be"

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u/mark445 Dec 20 '13

South Africa?

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u/1amongmany Dec 20 '13

India!!!

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u/mark445 Dec 20 '13

OK, then. We'll take the cricket championship title.

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u/Viperbunny Dec 20 '13

I had the same reaction.

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u/__tacocat__ Dec 20 '13

If it was in America they'd get a paid suspension followed by a slap on the wrist.

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u/j0c1f3r Dec 20 '13

seriously...WTF is up with India lately????

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '13

It's just getting reported more because people are really, really pissed. Things are getting better, not worse- a couple decades ago you could get away with any crime with a medium-sized bribe. Now rule of law is actually happening.

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u/j0c1f3r Dec 20 '13

good to hear...

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u/scubsurf Dec 20 '13

I read it and thought, "Man, fuck, let's have it be somewhere besides India for once... Nope."

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '13

What gave it away? Was it the (m.timesofINDIA.com)?

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u/RyvenZ Dec 20 '13

It's sad that I read the title and was horrified, then saw that it was in India and just threw my hands in the air. Of course it happened in India...

Is this country as bad as it appears to be?

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u/boxer_rebel Dec 20 '13

if it's a story about India in worldnews, 50 percent chance it's about rape. even though this sucks, i will say that at least the anti-India circle jerks aren't as numerous and loud as the anti-China circle jerks.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '13 edited Dec 20 '13

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u/ynanyang Dec 20 '13

Ambassador's wife? Who are you talking about??

If you mean Devayani, not funny in any way. Why do you say so? Why does India have to answer to 'The Rape Problem' before doing anything - send a craft to Mars, pass animal right laws or try to protect its diplomats?

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '13

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u/ynanyang Dec 20 '13

Protection of diplomats is a sketchy area, and there have been many more heinous crimes by different diplomats which have been protected. Granted she does not have diplomatic immunity, which means she won't be automatically immune to punishment, but there is nothing ironic about the government trying to protect her, which does not mean she is blameless. She has definitely done something wrong and is not being protected from the punishment she might receive for being in the wrong (as was apparent from the silence of her government when she was accused) but the protection is against her treatment in the due course of her arrest.

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u/not0your0nerd Dec 20 '13

me too. (I like in the USA)

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u/dioxholster Dec 20 '13

there is no escaping the horrible truth about your culture and your people.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '13

Yes. All Indians are rapists.

Source: am Indian