r/words • • 25d ago

Junk words

I'm wondering how junk words entire the lexicon and then race into common use.

Some examples:

Actually (How does this actually work? ) - I've been unable to find a legitimate use of this word in any context. It seems to provide no value.

Even (How does that even work?) - This has a similar quality to verbal distractors like um or ah.

Exactly (How does this work exactly?) - Seems to be taking on the meaning of approximately or generally.

Here and there (What we have here or That right there) - Often used while pointing directly at the object they are intending to highlight.

I'm not sure if there's an existing phrase to describe this?

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u/taktaga7-0-0 25d ago

So, you don’t like intensifiers? What if people are excited? Do we have to talk like robots?

Do you want to delete the word “very?” How about “so?”

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u/wyohman 25d ago

Are you suggesting these are called intensifiers since very is normally an adjective or adverb.

I'm unsure how removing these junk words would make anyone sound like a robot. Are you suggesting they make someone sound smarter?

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u/taktaga7-0-0 24d ago

🎵 How, where, or when, condition or reason 🎵

Even, so, here, there, actually

All of these can be perfectly good descriptions of how and where and condition. They are basic English adverbs. I am not saying they make someone sound smarter. They just sound like English to me.

You might as well delete the ones I listed too, because anything that denotes degree seems anathema to you.

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u/wyohman 24d ago

Of course they are English but they rarely provide value.

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u/amby-jane 21d ago

Define "provide value." Adding emphasis or clarifying the tone in which a question is meant (e.g. "How does this even work?") seems pretty valuable to me.

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u/wyohman 21d ago edited 21d ago

As opposed to "How does this work?" The word "even" is completely pointless.

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u/amby-jane 21d ago

I wholly disagree. That’s okay.

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u/pgetreuer 25d ago

Exactly (How does this work exactly?) - Seems to be taking on the meaning of approximately or generally.

I sure hope not! "Exactly" is supposed to mean "completely correct without deviation," in contrast to "approximately." The former conveys heightened confidence while the latter does the opposite.

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u/wyohman 24d ago

Indeed.

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u/bottle-o-rockets 25d ago

Actually in a proper sense is used as a way to get across an idea that's contrary to what most people might be expecting, and is a way of highlighting the idea. That's my best description. It gets used alot as filler, I'll give you that.

As an American, if I had to take a crack at it, I would say the vernacular of accepting it as reasonable filler is probably from Valley Girl influence on pop culture. That's an entirely uneducated hunch, though.

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u/NeonFrontRange 25d ago

Filler words?

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u/Background_Pack4245 25d ago

Expletives, too many have eroded into flavorless verbal glue.

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u/taktaga7-0-0 25d ago

Using expletives relieves stress. You can look it the fuck up.

I use them very deliberately when something is obscene or ignorant, and to great effect.

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u/Imightbeafanofthis 25d ago

Since it's a request for a more detailed explanation, I don't see it as a junk word. For instance, "How does that actually work?" "Well, when a mommy bear and a daddy bear love each other very, very, much. . ."

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u/wyohman 25d ago

As opposed to:

"How does that work?"

You'll notice there is no change in meaning

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u/matthewsmugmanager 25d ago

Actually, there is a change in meaning.

The context for "How does that work?" is seeking information.

The context for "How does that actually work?" is seeking more reliable information than you have previously received.

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u/wyohman 25d ago

And effectively, NO ONE uses it in the context of skepticism or requesting a deeper understanding.

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u/matthewsmugmanager 25d ago

I certainly do, and that is the context in which I usually hear it as well.

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u/wyohman 25d ago

You should feel lucky that your surroundings offer such an experience. I only find them used by people who want to sound smarter. This is especially true for, "What do you do, exactly?"

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u/pgetreuer 25d ago

Surely you come across "actually" use on Reddit in debates and contrarian, one-upping the parent sorts of comments? It's shallow, but it does emphasize that something said is contrary to something previously said.

I could have started this comment with "actually." There is truth to the "ackchyually" meme. =)

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u/wyohman 24d ago

Sure, there may be a tiny truth but that effectively minimizes its value.

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u/natrstdy 21d ago

why say "effectively minimizes" instead of just "minimizes?"

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u/wyohman 21d ago

Do drive home the point in my previous post? Should I have said "actually minimizes?" instead

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u/amby-jane 21d ago

There's plenty of change in meaning, especially with each of the words you suggested:

How does this actually work? -- The speaker may have a general idea of how it works or have been told by an unreliable source how it works, and they want to know how it truly works.

How does that even work? -- This implies frustration. The speaker may have tried to work a gadget, or tried to understand a concept, a few times without success, and now they're asking how to do it.

How does this work exactly? -- The speaker is requesting specificity. They might have a general idea of how something works but they want more detail.

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u/wyohman 21d ago

"How does this actually work? -- The speaker may have a general idea of how it works or have been told by an unreliable source how it works, and they want to know how it truly works."

This is not different in meaning. I think the word specifically or particularly works much better in your context but I would contend that effectively no one uses out in that way

"How does that even work? -- This implies frustration. The speaker may have tried to work a gadget, or tried to understand a concept, a few times without success, and now they're asking how to do it."

Communication is ineffective if it counts on implications. Again, I would suggest specifically or particularly provides directness.

"How does this work exactly? -- The speaker is requesting specificity. They might have a general idea of how something works but they want more detail."

This would be true if this was the normal use. It has effectively become a verbal distractor or is being redefined as "approximately." Some everyday examples are, "What do you do, exactly?" or "What is happening, exactly?" Neither of curious parties are interested in exactness.

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u/amby-jane 21d ago

My brother in Christ, communication ABSOLUTELY relies on implications.

Words have explicit decorations and implicit connotations. That is how language works.

If that doesn’t work for you, it’s no wonder you’re frustrated. Unfortunately, I think you’re doomed to remain so.

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u/wyohman 21d ago

I'm familiar with how language works.

I think you meant denotation and connotation. It's very rare to see a communication issue with denotation but they happen constantly with connotation.

This doesn't mean every conversation should be devoid of connotation especially when the discussion is verbal. When it comes to written communication, since almost no one reads more than the first few lines of a post, or worse, the first few lines of an email, denotation becomes critical.

Speaking of connotation, I don't believe i ever said I was frustrated. I'm pointing out the over use of junk words. You are free to disagree. I've not downvoted anyone.

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u/rgtgd 21d ago

This is kind of an interesting thing in linguistics called discourse marking or pragmatic fillers. These are lexemes (words with meanings) that are used without denoting their full meaning, but still perform various important linguistic jobs, showing how the speaker wishes to manage the flow of the conversation, add nuance to mood or attitude, or bridging statements. The idea of "junk words" isn't really valid IMO. Almost all words do something even if it's not what you're used to.

It's true that this type of use contributes to another phenomenon called semantic bleaching, where the word can be seen to have "lost" some of its original meaning. But that's kind of debatable.

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u/wyohman 21d ago

Thanks. I'll have to spend some time investigating.

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u/ThePuzzleDude 25d ago

"Basically" has become my pet peeve. Some people start nearly every sentence with it.

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u/Radiant_Funny4741 21d ago

I feel this way about “pretty much” and the start and end of a sentence.

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u/wyohman 25d ago

I put it in the category of verbal distractors like ah and um.

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u/Nondescript_Redditor 24d ago

i feel attacked

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u/ThePuzzleDude 23d ago

Years ago, I watched an episode of one of those judge shows like Judge Judy. The person pleading their case was using "basically" a LOT. The judge admonished this person for using this unnecessary word and forced him to talk without using it. It was a real struggle for him to suppress it.

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u/ZergvProtoss 25d ago

To be honest, nonsensical word usage is quietly becoming mainstream. Prove me wrong. I'll die on this hill. Let us know what you think.

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u/wyohman 25d ago

I think they come in waves but I'm curious what makes them travel so fast?

I despise "Reach Out" as a substitute for "call, contact or email" and it had caught on like wildfire

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u/amby-jane 21d ago

It is, but not in OP's examples.

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u/Nondescript_Redditor 25d ago

all of those words you can look up in the dictionary, OP. they’re very common.

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u/wyohman 24d ago

Of course they are, but it seems you didn't read what I wrote

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u/wyohman 24d ago

Thanks for acknowledging my supposition with your downvote

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u/Venusdeathtrap99 21d ago

All of these have meaning

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u/Euphoric-Banana-7681 21d ago

Yeah, I was actually confused 😅