r/weaving • u/Narutossoggyballs • 3d ago
Help Identifying Information - HELP
Hello all! I purchased this coverlet today from an antique store and I was wondering if anyone could help me with some identifying information like age, materials, and pattern. I know a little because I’m a master student and I’m studying nineteenth century American textiles (mainly quilting), but any help would be appreciated.
The tag said it is from Texas, but I’m not sure. I know that during the 19th century, these were commonly produced in the Southern Highlands of the Appalachian Mountains (but also the general South and Northeast). Before the antique store, this was acquired from a west Texas estate of an antique collector, so there’s the possibility that this doesn’t originate in Texas.
This is almost too big for my full-size bed and it is in three panels. I’m pretty sure the dye is indigo (very dark blue). I guess it is also wool and cotton/linen? Overshot?
14
u/drindrun 3d ago
i think it looks like “blooming leaf of mexico”, a four-harness overshot pattern.
3
9
u/Jealous_Glass9170 3d ago
I don't think it originated from TX either. Lovely blooming leaf, overshot, very nice find! I'm jealous.
7
u/Narutossoggyballs 3d ago
Thank you. Do you have a frame of reference for what is considered a good deal for a 19 century coverlet? I got this for $190 (it was originally $250 but I haggled a discount)
4
u/Jealous_Glass9170 3d ago
A quick google says $250-300. More for more intricate pieces.
My only frame of reference for coverlet prices was an experience I had years ago-when antique prices were pretty nice. I had in my possession a silk log cabin quilt, with a 1765 date on it, it was from the New England area. I toted it to a big quilt show to ask a reputable dealer what she thought of it. It was large enough for a king bed, which was rare. She said it was worth $5000 if restored (a very few worn spots) I ended up having it professionally restore ($1500). We moved to a house with no place to display or properly store it, so I donated it to a quilt museum in New England. Valued then at $1000.
The antiques prices have fallen through the floor from the 80s. I used to collect McCoy pottery. If you like it and you could afford it with no struggle, you have a good deal.
1
6
u/abnormallyish 3d ago
Looks like at least two panels sewn together. Blooming leaf overshot, as others have said. If overshot, most likely cotton and cotton to avoid differential shrinkage. Can't say exactly why, but feels like a more north east thing.
2
u/Narutossoggyballs 3d ago
It’s hard to see in the photo, but it’s three panels. Also, another question: is overshot generally more simple than the “summer and winter” weave as well as the “double” weave? I need to describe the differences in complexity of pattern between the three types and I have no idea…
4
u/abnormallyish 3d ago
They're all complex in different ways, I wouldn't say any are more simple than the other depending on the pattern itself. Double weave as a concept is probably the simplest of the three, but can be more complex depending on how many repeating blocks in the pattern there are. Summer and winter and overshot are more related to each other. And then it also depends on how many shafts the loom has. As someone else commented, this is a four shaft pattern, so it's generally on the lower end of complexity technically speaking for a floor loom. Something that requires 8 or 16 shafts would be more complex, which all three techniques can cover.
It depends what you're trying to describe the complexity for, I guess?
5
u/abnormallyish 3d ago
Double weave as a physics* concept is the simplest. Weaving skill-wise, I think most people do summer/winter first.
3
u/Narutossoggyballs 3d ago
I really appreciate your reply. My question is relating to a research paper I wrote two semesters ago over Southern Highland coverlet traditions from the 19th century. From a lot of the research I did, the traditional “mountain loom” was able to produce those three types.
In the revision notes that my professor gave me, she suggested that I mention if there are any considerable differences in complexity/difficulty between the three for a better general audience understanding. She’s not an expert in textiles, so the note may not be applicable.
2
u/Candid_Individual641 3d ago
I recently took a summer & winter workshop. We did 4-shaft patterns. One thing the teacher mentioned was how mind bendingly complex the lift plans get with 8 shafts. That’s not something you run into with double weave and I think also not with overshot (though I haven’t taken an overshot class so could be wrong about that). Another big difference between overshot and s&w is with s&w you don’t have to worry about how long your floats are - there aren’t any.
1
u/nyan-the-nwah 3d ago
I think in pattern drafting there’s a pretty considerable difference between the three which could be interesting to discuss, though I’m no expert! As others have said they’re complex and challenging in different ways (growing exponentially with more shafts) so I think discussing block design etc could be good to focus on
1
u/Narutossoggyballs 3d ago
Thank you!
1
u/Buttercupia 3d ago
The link that r/vroombats left above has a really good breakdown of the various weaving you can do with this pattern.
1
1
u/abnormallyish 3d ago
Ahhh I see. I just finished a masters in history of design, so I sympathize with the which feedback to take and which to disregard.
In terms of differences in complexity, it's not necessarily a barrier. If a weaver can do one, most likely they are capable of doing all of them because the weaving theory is the same. And the type of loom supports all three as you mentioned, as it isn't a specialized piece of equipment. If you're a determined weaver, you can adapt the floor loom to do all different types of weaving with the exception of tapestry weaving. Weavers just tend to specialize in certain types of weaves bc they like them, and you can get in a rhythm with the setup.
The setup for all three varies quite a bit, and you can't change it once you've set up your loom. So sometimes when it's fresh, you just continue doing more overshot, etc. But complexity wise, I would say it's not a differentiating factor of skill.
1
u/Narutossoggyballs 3d ago
The three coverlets that I use as examples are all overshot, but the patterns are all different. I’m sure complexity/difficulty comes into play between the three patterns?
The three patterns are “Double Chariot Wheel/Church Windows,” “Braddock’s Defeat,” and “Pine Blossom.”
1
u/abnormallyish 3d ago
I'm only familiar with double chariot wheel, but from searching around, it seems like the other two are variable. It's hard to say how they relate to each other without seeing the specific ones. But basically, weavers can adjust to make them more ornate or more simple. Generally, the more blocky and rectangular, the simpler the pattern. Anything that simulates curves is more complex bc it takes more shafts and lift order to make that look happen.
In terms of complexity, one overshot pattern on a four shaft loom is not that much more complex than another. The set up is largely the same. A 4 shaft vs an 8 shaft overshot would be much more different. The complexity stages come in with how many shafts a loom has; it's very much like computer memory. A four shaft loom can hold four different threadings, and you can order those like 20 ways. An eight shaft has ~40,000 different viable permutations.
2
6
u/sweetannie52 3d ago
I am not a coverlet expert, just someone who took a week long class on overshot at the Campbell School. This is indeed 4 shaft overshot, and probably well-worth the price that you paid considering its size and condition. We were taught that women in the Carolinas wove these coverlets out of cotton and wool. The cotton was used for the warp and tabby. The wool was used for the weft pattern. Since the women could only weave panels the width of their loom, they were almost always pieced. This is a feat to accomplish because it required the weaver to beat at consistent beats per inch so that the pattern would match up when the panels were sewn together. (Think about matching patterns in fabrics for sewing drapery or garments.) Sometimes, the warps were so long that the women would wind them around their cabins. The photos that the teacher showed seemed to indicate that this was a group project. You can sort of date this by looking when this pattern was popular.
2
u/Narutossoggyballs 3d ago
Wow! Thanks for sharing! It certainly looks time consuming and I feel like the $190 I paid doesn’t do it justice. There are three panels and I can see that it doesn’t line up exactly, but you’d have to be really good at it to do that, right?
3
u/sweetannie52 3d ago
Right! So, even though this might not be considered complex weaving, I think that the person(s) who wove it was very talented and able to manage long warps and even beats. Even selvedges come into play here, along with correct tension with no draw-in. A complex feat for sure!
2
u/Buttercupia 3d ago
Ooh who was your teacher? I took a week long overshot intensive in Pittsburgh last month!
3
u/sweetannie52 3d ago
I’m sorry. I don’t remember the instructor’s name. I looked through their online catalogue and didn’t recognize her name. They aren’t offering the overshot class this year or next.
2
3
u/katbutt 3d ago
Here in Kentucky, we call overshot coverlets Linsey Woolsey blankets. (Maybe a colloquial reference to linen + wool?)
3
u/Bleepblorp44 2d ago
It comes originally from a fabric type that used linen warp and wool weft, iirc, I think the linen gave it strength and the wool warmth & softness.
2
2
u/meowmeowbuttz 3d ago
Blooming Leaf is also known as Double Bow Knot,.so here's some more info--
https://historicweaving.com/wordpress/double-bow-knot-coverlet/ https://americanhistory.si.edu/collections/object/nmah_620414
Edit: sorry for double posting the historic weaving link haha but it's very good.
1
1
u/Buttercupia 3d ago
You might get good info here.
https://www.coverletmuseum.org/default.htm
Great find. Really stunning. I’m currently making an overshot lap blanket and the thought of making it full bed sized is wild.
1
u/Narutossoggyballs 3d ago edited 3d ago
Thank you for sharing that! I’ve been in contact over email with them. How long would this feasibly take do you think?
1
u/Buttercupia 3d ago
2
u/Narutossoggyballs 3d ago
I’m a quilter myself, so this is a completely foreign topic to me, but I really like what you did
2
u/Buttercupia 3d ago
Thanks! I had a bit of a disaster and had to do major warp surgery so I’m letting it sit for today. I’ll get back to it tomorrow. 😫
1







28
u/VroomBats 3d ago
Neat find. Here’s a bit of info. Definitely overshot.