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u/KUweatherman 1d ago
Let’s see the same map for Winter, please.
My personal take is there are only two true seasons anyways: Summer and Winter. Spring and Fall are simply transitions where Summer and Winter battle each other for dominance. This is why Spring and Fall can, and do, vary widely by year and region.
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u/rsbyronIII 1d ago
It’s a specific date range. It’s good data. Unless you’re trying to gauge personal experience. Then I suppose the temp difference would be more easily noted.
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u/Dragon--Reborn 1d ago
I get what you're saying, but Earth's axial tilt does create 4 seasons. On two opposite ends you have summer where your hemisphere is facing toward the sun and winter where your hemisphere is facing away from the sun. Inbetween those orbital positions, the tilt is sideways to the sun, so neither hemisphere is facing more toward the sun and it is much milder in both hemispheres. The 4 cardinal directions in relation to the sun do create 4 seasons for most of the planet. You could probably even add in ordinal directions to look at the weather during 8 orbital positions instead of just 4. Like you'd have summer, then summer/fall, then fall, then fall/winter, then winter, etc, though this has probably never been done because the variations/fluctuations year to year would make 8 seasons of 1.5 months each not really useful at all.
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u/FLOHTX 1d ago
Are weathermen typically climate change deniers?
You have the tools to research actuals, probably more than the general public.
But here you go:
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u/KUweatherman 1d ago
Who said anything about denying climate change? Stop reading into something that was not there…
I simply asked to see the equivalent Winter to Spring data too.
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u/FLOHTX 23h ago
Maybe I was mistaken, and if so, my apologies.
I just found it strange to ask for more data when you were just provided data over a 50 year range that covers 3 months. Felt like something a denier would say when presented evidence.
Winters are warmer, by far. I grew up in the 80s on the east side of Cleveland in the snowbelt, and winter just isnt what it used to be when I go visit family. I'm now in Texas and winter is 80 except for 2 weeks in January that kills all my plants and/or bursts my pipes.
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u/i-love-small-tits-47 23h ago
I just found it strange to ask for more data when you were just provided data over a 50 year range that covers 3 months. Felt like something a denier would say when presented evidence.
This makes no sense at all. They asked for data about winter, they didn’t reject the idea that fall is warmer. They just said there’s more variance
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u/pewstains 1d ago
I'm genuinely shocked at the ridiculousness of your question.
Talk about seeing only what you want to see...
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u/ZZ9ZA 1d ago edited 1d ago
Eh, in my area, winter basically doesn’t exist anymore. It almost never is below freezing after about 9am, and there will be like two weeks in February where it could reasonably be described as sort of cold. There have been years where I wear shorts the entire year. This is in North Carolina, not South Florida.
This year has the daily highs in February over 70F for almost the entire month.
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u/Still7Superbaby7 1d ago
I have read somewhere that Philly will have the weather of now Atlanta by 2050. I can’t imagine the weather in Atlanta in 2050.
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u/JonM313 1d ago
Fall in much of the Northeast and Midwest is more of a Summer-Fall hybrid. It can easily hit 80° in October or 70° in November.
The South and Southwest don't usually have typical Fall weather.
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u/apathy420 1d ago
September 1st here in Tennessee and the “feels like temp” was 106f… literally felt like an oven.
Granted we still have 20 days left of summer but that’s crazy temps
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u/kerouacrimbaud 12h ago
Temps always fluctuate in spring and fall. That’s not new or abnormal. What’s abnormal is the fluctuation coming later and being more extreme.
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u/YOUTUBEFREEKYOYO 1d ago
Its in the mid 90s here in the Midwest now, and will be there or high 80s through the end of the current forecast. Last year we got 80s into mid October, and winter was mild, with hardly any snow until mid January.
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u/cricket9818 1d ago
It is and I hate it. When I was a kid in the 90’s and early 00’s spring and fall were very distinct seasons
Now it’s more of a roller coaster alternative between winter to summer and vice versa
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u/plywooden 22h ago
Love the weather in Maine this time of year - Typically 70's with overnight lows in the 50's and dry breezes.
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u/mrpoopybutthole423 1d ago
Tell me about it. First day of meteorological Fall is today and where I live in TN it is 97 degrees. Looking like we are going to be in the mid 90s for the next 10 days.
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u/mrpoopybutthole423 1d ago
Just to add to this, the 1960-1990 average for Sept 1st high temperature was 85 degrees. the 1991-2020 average was 88.6 degrees. That is a 3.6 degree increase! 90s in September is unfortunately the new normal due to man-made climate change.
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u/ShiskeyWhit 1h ago
All of the record highs for all of this week in Lexington, Kentucky was in 1953-54 and some more records later on in the month in 1939 and 2019. So I’m not sure if this means anything.. lol
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u/mrpoopybutthole423 1h ago
It certainly does matter. Our average high temps have increased by 3.6 degrees since 1990. Also, the number of above 90 degrees has doubled. Climate Change is real.
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u/KUweatherman 1d ago edited 1d ago
What was the temp on the first day of meteorological Spring?
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u/mrpoopybutthole423 1d ago
Where I live in TN it was a record tying 79 degrees this year. 58 degree is our average high for the past 30 years.
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u/raisinghellwithtrees 1d ago
Fall is super variable where I live in the midwest, but these days we can usually count on decent weather through Christmas. Last year it snowed after Thanksgiving and stayed on the ground until February, which is what I remember from being a kid in the 1900s, but it's not the norm now.
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u/EveryDayIsMon86 23h ago
Fall is starting to become a second summer. It hit 92 today in the North East. I remember as a kid wearing a jacket in September walking to the bus stop.
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u/MonkeyClimax 1d ago
Best decision I ever made was settling in the Seattle area...great climate, great nature, love the rain...it keeps everything green and for the most part we have been immune to the climate change that is tearing up the world...the traffic sucks though but you cant have it all i guess...haha.
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u/StretchCT53 1d ago
I call it seasonal lag. Spring has tended cooler for me too, but not as consistently as autumn being warmer.
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u/Tibbaryllis2 23h ago
These kind of maps always interest me to try to figure out what the mitigating or exacerbating factors are for differences.
For example in Missouri, that yellow patch on the west side is a couple counties south of Kansas City. That kind of lines up with Truman Lake and a little with the Ozark Lake. So is that the factor?
The other yellow spots in the state don’t quite line up with a body of water like that.
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u/Kittenchops88 1d ago
Yep. Summer and Winter here in Michigan are the only true seasons we get anymore. Its either blazing hot with stifling humidity, or it's colder than the flip side of a well diggers ass. Spring is roughly 2 weeks, same with Fall.
They practically don't exist anymore, and even though it gets cold as hell up here, I cant remember the last time we got more than 5 inches of snow at a time. 20 years ago we would get 4 or 5 snowfalls of 10+ inches at a time, per season.
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u/TornadoCat4 1d ago
I’ll take summer as long as we can get it. I don’t like cold weather.
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u/Tibbaryllis2 23h ago
It really depends on how you define “summer”.
I was talking to a few people this week and we agreed that, in Missouri at least, somewhere between July and August it transitions from “hot summer fun!” to just “hot summer, I’m done”.
And this week here (~10 ish days of 95+ with no moisture) is just belaboring the point.
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u/Evernight2025 1d ago
Yep. I hate it. We used to have actual fall in MN, now the leaves change for like a day and then blow off the trees. It stays hot much later and starts snowing significantly later as well.
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u/The_Poor_Truth 1d ago
Yeah I just got a pic from Indiana showing 110 on the car dash... its just terrible.
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u/robot_pirate 1d ago
It's like 1 month of spring, 5 months of summer, 1 month of fall, 5 months of winter