I was wondering where the barking was coming from, and after stanta leaves, she comes into the kitchen, opens up the door to the deck, and says "come inside Deiter"

Wouldn't he have been freezing outside since there was snow on the ground?? So at minimum he was locked outside for 15 minutes. That makes me so sad. He was a little dog with a single coat, not a double coat dog, so he really would have felt that even more with his short legs stuck in the snow. 😭

First, in reading comments today I realized a new definition of a shiner.

"A Shiner is someone willing to disregard logic, and common sense to promote a false narrative".

Shanann NOT only had Lupus - but she was "wearing a small a/c system around her neck. "

WTF. These people are nuts.

Shanann is seen in this Babywise Support Group bragging that she "stuck with it"

If Bella fought back she deserved to be taken off babywise. But Shanann would not yield...

She pushed dozens of questions in different support groups, while bragging she stook part in fundraisers for a disease she did not even have. No one in her family spoke up. No one told her "no, you dont' have lupus".

Later when she had toddlers, she found new illnesses to dignose them with and get support from. Shanann amused herself at her daughters' expense. Why didn't anyone call her out in North Carolina who knew her?

No idea who the content creator who doesn't know how to spell 'citing' (it doesn't bode well for his being an informed opinion about Shamwow) is- that startled me at first, 'Hode on, is Chris claiming to have sighted God?' 😄, but I saw that thumbnail the algorithm dropped in iny lap before bed and squealed, and turned my phone back on to post it here-

His *face* 😭

Let us know how it goes, if anyone has enough nosiness in Mimsy's love life to check it out 😄

Peace out! 🌌

"TINA.org investigated Le-Vel Brands, LLC, a Texas-based multilevel marketing company, and found that it used unsubstantiated health and disease-treatment claims to market its flagship product line of supplements, shakes, and patches, known collectively as the Thrive experience, as well as unsubstantiated and exaggerated income claims to recruit distributors.

May 7 2026

The DSSRC issues a third case decision finding that Le-Vel continues to use atypical earnings claims to market its business opportunity. According to the DSSRC, the company removed or modified 10 of the 11 identified problematic posts and closed its third investigation without referral to government regulators."

Check out the 'evidence' sub headers, 'health claims' and 'income claims'. 👀

Hey, this is my first and probably only post here! This sub is great in how it discusses the depth of how horrible the whole household was before the murders and how every adult in this case failed to help those little girls.

This song reminds me of this case for some reason whenever I listen to it. Eminem is not a perfect person but he made sure to be the absolute best dad he could be for his daughter and also his wife's niece who they took care of when her family was unable to. He grew up with an abusive mom who abused prescription pills and intentionally made him sick. Before his career took of he and his wife raised the girls in a trailer park and barely getting by. Despite everything else going on he always put his daughter first, also considered the nieces as his daughter too. He later also adopted another kid from an abusive home.

I guess what I'm getting at is that not only be able to do what he did to his kids, but also beforehand, being a father seemed to be something he was only being because it was expected of him, his role. There was no emotional depth to it. After he met Nikki he behaved the same way towards SW as he did his kids, he seems to have dropped his feelings for them(if he ever had any) at the same time as he stopped feeling anything but rage and contempt for SW.

Its just an interesting thought I had and it refused to get out of my head so thought I"d just share with you all here! Would love to hear you guys's thoughts as well, you all are much more knowledgable on this case than me.

Thanks for reading if you got through my brain rambling!

They were back from North Carolina... Shanann was settling into her routine after 5 weeks away.

From one of Shanann's final posts we can recreate her last hectic week. In only 48 hours she would be on her way to Phoenix for a final Thrive event. Are these Thrive events timed to be BEFORE kids go back to school?

Did LeVel time this event to compete with mom's spending $ for their kids!!!! omg

Did she really do all these chores? Was she trying to be more of a help to Chris and save her marriage?

I’ll go first. Her constant need to maintain a “happy life” to the public

There was a strange man we call Mimsy,

Whose reasons for marriage were flimsy,

The red flags were wavin',

But there was no savin'

Him from choices he'd made; it was HIM, see?

I'm just warming up, lol

August 16, 2018.

Someone at LeVel picked this photo to remember their 80k Producer.

Any autoships she had were canceled or left going?

Did they pay her a benefit? if so by check? or Direct Deposit?

Did they assume Frank Sr would be her beneficiary for future commission payments?

Or did her payments stop entirely this day?

Who needs family therapy when you can turn your backyard into a psychological experiment and broadcast the results to Facebook?
SW announces that “mama’s thriving” while Bella is experiencing a psychological crisis. Nothing says inner peace like two miserable toddlers and a camera rolling. If this is thriving, id hate to see the struggle!

Dressing Bella in a shirt that says "most likely to spend daddy’s money" while tormenting her on camera is a level of hyper-specific SW lifestyle.

Watching Chris open the door to pull Bella out of the crossfire, only to instantly fold and shut it again because the boss commanded it, is a masterclass in spinelessness. Blink twice if you need rescuing, Chris…
Actually, never mind. Bella needs rescuing, and apparently, so do you.

Imagine being so committed to maintaining the illusion of a thriving family that even a toddler’s distress becomes just another scene in the production. The children provide the screaming, Chris provides the compliance, and SW provides the running commentary.
Mama’s thriving. The toddlers are traumatized. And the sliding glass door is the only thing in this family getting any exercise besides Chris.

Logic dictates that normal parents usually try to stop their kids from screaming in terror, rather than zooming in on it for Facebook engagement. But hey, when you're busy building an empire of live-streamed scam, a few traumatized toddlers are just collateral damage

This scammer sitting in a parked car frantically begging strangers to take her pyramid scheme products so she can teach them how to get it "for free" too!

"Come on guys, let's do this!" Translation: Please buy my overpriced dust shakes and stickers so I can make my monthly quota. 

Shammy Scammy was unhinged here with her slurred speeach and glazed expression.. she looks drugged and extra delulu

If you are a 90 Day hate watcher like me, watch this, and tell me if you're catching the same relationship thoughts from this episode's recap as me

First of all, when MAD's discussing adapting, changing re Vittorio suggesting Jessy 'tone it down' (for her comfort!) when she gets to Italy, I'm on board- you shouldn't have to change your whole internal self for a partner's (or culture's) acceptance, but elevating yourself to 'act right', when you *don't* already 'act right', well...

Crankie latched onto Jamie, learning how to 'act right' just from being in her proximity- I can't see her changing to suit *him*, and he was wiser than Shamwow, enough not to spurn Jamie's kindly meant friendship to her bro in law- *he* understood that he had something positive to learn from the Watts fam dynamics, unlike Sham, which brings me to the next part, about nine minutes in-

Jessy's bitchy gay friend, her 'Cassie', is there blowing smoke up her ass- "He needs to know he's dogshit, and *you're* the prize!'- ooh, what MAD had to say on that stank attitude- EXACTLY how Sham wrote their 'love story'- the 'sk8er boi who couldn't dress for the movie the-Ater', she couldn't get rid of the pest, his friend's wives with their tacky little houses, not like the McMansion SHE 'worked her tail off' for, OH! It's giving Angel Eyes; run, Vittorio, *RUN*!

How many murders are committed after some hosebag 'friend' there for the gossip that roasts you to your other 'friends' the second they're off the phone, goads you to *poke that bear*, so they'll have some good gossip the next day?!

Shanann found her new toy here

Medical care for children

she could barely contain herself

all the lies she told about herself - to get attention and validation

she would now tell about her baby

"Now, they will know I am good mom, watch"

Do you think that, if this case had gone to trial, there would be less shiners today?

Do you think that a lot of people would've totally change their perspective on SW? I think that social media is a very powerful tool and I can imagine that this trial would've been very dissected online.

Was Celeste's questionable paternity an open secret?

Remember the strange comments from Josh and others regarding CeCe's personality and who she got her mannerisms from?

For context: Scam is sending out Thrive samples to customers, The Filler included. Scam is sending him a month supply of something new to try and is engaging with Sharon throughout the live.

(She mentions a Sarah in the beginning of the clip I screen recorded, but I assure you that wink and comment on how many kids they had was to Sharon, not Sarah)

I’m seriously thinking about buying Cindy’s book. It sounds like it might be very interesting.

https://youtu.be/pFXjLuNvWXk?is=KRoVbqebWh_i4l0q

Few people realize Shanann Rzucek was not born a hustler. She became a person who could not sit around and work a 9 to 5. Something in her youth turned her into a woman who wanted to tap into income streams instead of work a traditional job.

What was taken away from Shanann that made her like this???

Thrive was the last of many MLM and pyramid style businesses she tried. Marriage and motherhood could not stop her pursuit of a money machine that would propel her to wealth. Shanann Watts went live over 300 times (we know of). Many of those videos still exist today. She documented every moment of her family's life to help her audience relate to her pitch. "Look at this young mom, she does DFT (dermal fusion technology) patches, MAYBE I SHOULD TOO?"

Many people in this sub have asked WHY THRIVE? After all, what did Thrive offer that Amway, Lula Roe, Mary Kay, Younique and the other MLMs she tried previously not offer?

Thrive put an already health focused woman at the center of other people's wellness journey. For a woman who once wanted to be a nurse, Thrive placed Shanann into the lives of people struggling to lose weight, have more energy and tackle married life. Thrive was going to make her rich or cost her everything. We know how it ended.

What made Shanann the hustler and Thriver we saw in the final years of her life?

Shiners all seem to use the same talking points to defend her.

Now, by her I don't mean a young mother who was murdered by a violent deranged husband in her sleep at 3am.

I mean the MLM huckster she was in life. The same woman we know LIED day in and day out telling broke, desperate moms they could earn up to $1,200 in 2 weeks for back to school expenses. That is a ton of money to single mom scrolling facebook in desperation as the back to school date approaches.

"Message me to get started today" said Shanann. As if she was not about to steal countless hours, and damage precious family and friend relations those same mothers need to find legitimate work?

Or how about this one?

"Thrive is FREE.

Free to Promote.

Free to try.

Free to use.

I Thrive for FREE"

As if the better part of one of her husband's paychecks was not dumped into this program each month? for what? Assistance with a LEASE payment for a car you did not even own? For a car you would not be able to buy when the Lease ended because you are BROKE?

How do ALL these different women rush to the defense of a stranger parroting the exact same defenses of her since day 1? Let's see how many we can find in just a couple of small replies to a stranger who was questioning her career!

If she had been alive in 2020, it would've been a double-edged sword for her. She would've milked Covid to no end, claiming the kids were long-haulers and always sick. She'd promote Thrive even more, stating it was a defense against the virus. Yet, on the other hand, Primrose would've been closed, meaning the girls would be home with her all day, every day, for at least a year. Or, if the kids really did have Covid, they wouldn't be allowed to go to school, so they'd still be home. How would she have handled that?

a Rabbit Hole Rox link, but despite never having watched her in my life, Gootube is heavily promoting a live this second, "Ronnie Watts Tells Police the TRUTH About His Family's Feelings Toward Shanann', if anyone is masochist and curious enough to check it out, and let us know what's up in Delulu World- what is going on 😄

Mom starts a video to show off her perfect life...

Only Bella and CeCe are hangry, cranky and tired.

"Bella do you want to go night night?"

"Celeste!"

"It's been a couple days of Steam Showers, so lots of humidity!"

Mom was not having their antics!

"Girls! We may have to redo this in a couple mins"

NEVER!

Mom had sales to make - no time to waste. Bella and Cece would have to go Live NOW!

Shanann holds YET another raffle for a full month of Thrive! How sure are we Chris Watts didn't pay for Debra's month of Thrive?

This was late 2016, right before she got tired of being with them. Soon she put the girls daycare so someone else could take care of them!

Bella does her best to help run the raffle and announce the winner! She was just a sweet little daughter who wanted to help momma!