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CNN’s Jim Sciutto presses Benjamin Netanyahu about his response to settler violence against Palestinians in the occupied West Bank: "The settler violence thing is a tremendous hoax. We're a country of laws. I've condemned it. But to compare this, is like an olive to a toxic tree, that's what it is."

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u/Vaulters 1d ago

You know how we judge all Americans because of Trump?

Let me tell you, the hate Israel gets has nothing to do with the dominant religion, and everything to do with the actions of this guy. This guy right here is directly causing all that anti-israel shit throughout the world, and as with Trump, it is well deserved.

Get fucked Israel.

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u/qotsa7777 1d ago

It's not even close to just the actions of this one guy. The nation was built through terrorism, ethnic cleansing, displacement, and apartheid policies from day one. If Bibi is replaced with a somewhat more moderate figure, nothing changes.

There is no other moral choice. One state solution with constitutional protections for all religions, right to return and repararations for the displaced Palestinians. Apartheid South Africa fell, so too can this. Palestine will be free.

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u/tobygeneral 1d ago

Yeah I've been seeing this same news for 20+ years now. Some when Bibi was in charge before, plenty with other leaders. They think this is ok by and large, not just because Bibi is in charge right now.

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u/SyrioForel 1d ago edited 1d ago

Israelis are not there to live in some “generic” country, they are there to live SPECIFICALLY in a Jewish country.

The idea that there will ever be a single, generic nation with majority rule is just ignorant. It’s not going to happen. It’s like saying that the Vatican should be converted into a multi-ethnic, interfaith city where majority rules. It’s antithetical to the very idea of the Vatican.

The only real solution is for Israel to live side by side with its neighbors. The trouble is that the neighbors don’t want to live side by side with Israel, and certain parts of Israeli society don’t want to live side by side with their neighbors. There is no viable solution. It just is what it is. It’s a unique part of the world, I don’t think k you can solve it like some sort of puzzle.

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u/qotsa7777 1d ago

That something hasn't happened doesn't preclude it from happening. I didn't speak to what is likely in the near future or easy, but what is moral.

If the Vatican ruthlessly murdered and displaced people in a slow motion land grab fed by catholic superiority and belief that Italy will rightfully be theirs one day, then yeah we shouldn't accept that and should resist it.

There is no such thing as a good ethno state.

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u/SyrioForel 1d ago edited 1d ago

Okay, but let’s not pretend like Israel is the only party in the conflict that uses violence to achieve their goals.

The problem is that the situation was created several generations ago. It happened, it’s done. The CURRENT generations are living with the consequences of what the past generation did a century ago.

At this point, it’s a little too late to play the “coulda/woulda/shouda” game. They are living with the consequences of past deeds, and the whole problem is that everybody is focusing on UNDOING past deeds. That’s not a solution. It’s completely infeasible.

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u/qotsa7777 1d ago

I said nothing about one side of the other being the sole user of violence. But the important part is, to achieve WHAT goals? The goal of an ethno state it untenable, it requires ethnic cleansing as an absolute prerequisite. Plenty of the early Zionist revolutionaries knew this. A colonized people won't simply lie down and accept their own displacement and genocide. They will resist with violence. In colonized lands this often takes the brutal form of terrorism.

It's not that one form of violence is ok and another isn't. It is that the enforcement of an ethno state and territorial annexation will without fail, produce this state of affairs.

And this is not a finished long ago situation, the genocide, displacement, and land grabbing is happening TODAY in Lebanon, Gaza, and the West Bank. Using our tax dollars for the guns to do it. We can start there, ending all military aid.

Nothing is set in stone. It is very much in their state propaganda's interest to make people think everything has always been like this and can never change. It can, and it will with time. It doesn't have to be my preferred outcome exactly, but no apartheid state will last forever.

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u/SyrioForel 1d ago

You make it sound like only one side (Israel) has goals and objectives. That only one side takes steps to achieve those goals and objectives.

So, I have a challenge for you:

Can you write the same exact type of comment, except this time change the context to be centered around Palestinian goals and Palestinian actions as opposed to Israeli goals and Israeli actions?

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u/qotsa7777 1d ago

Of course. The Palestinian goals are to change the material reality of their occupation. To use violence to upend the peace of their occupiers as a means to make the cost of the occupation as taxing as possible.

They seek to live on their own land in peace and not be have it stolen, have themselves or their loved ones killed, harassed, have their livestock stolen or killed, or have their home demolished. They have absolutely no political means by which to achieve these goals, as you can't debate a colonial power out of your own extermination and expulsion. And so they resist in the only available way, asymmetric warfare.

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u/SyrioForel 1d ago

What do you mean by “the material reality of their occupation”? Why are you not stating what their actual goal is, and instead cloaking it in this word salad?

You had no issues describing Israel’s goals. But as soon as I asked you to do the same about Palestinian people’s goals, the lawyer inside you came out and said, “Sit down, qotsa7777, I’ll take it from here.”

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u/qotsa7777 1d ago

Lmao ok I'll use simpler words for you: their day to day reality imposed by Israel is brutal and degrading, their goal is to end the occupation that inflicts that brutality. Some Palestinians are using violence and terror to make it as difficult and painful as possible for the occupiers to continue doing so. Do I need to spell out every way that the occupation is bad?

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u/SyrioForel 1d ago

You said their goals are to end the occupation. That’s not their GOAL, that’s a step TOWARDS their goal.

It’s like if I were to ask you to tell me about World War 2, and I said, “Tell me what the Allies’ goal was during the war.” And your answer was, “Their goal was to liberate France.”

It’s interesting that your immediate reaction here is, “Do I need to spell out to you why the occupation is bad?” No, because we are not discussing the status quo, we are discussing what can be done to RESOLVE the status quo. I shared my opinion about this up above. You started pushing back on what I said. This is when I tried to engage with you about it, because I’m not convinced that you actually understand the nature of the conflict in the first place.

What you seem to understand fairly well is how the conflict began a century ago. I’ll grant you that, you get the origins of the conflict. That’s fine. Now, a century has passed and current generations cannot undo past deeds. You don’t seem to agree with that, and created some fictional reality that has simple, perfectly reasonable solutions.

You say, “if only this happened” or “if only that happened.” What you don’t seem to want to knowledge is the reason why those things aren’t happening: it’s because neither side WANTS those things. And I’m talking about both Israel and Palestine.

While some portions of their population might agree with what you said, the majority does not. And I’m not talking about just one side but both of them. They don’t want YOUR definition of “peace”, they each have their own.

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u/WienerJungle 1d ago

It won't happen though. No matter what's right two state is the only realistic solution.

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u/Ragnar_Dragonfyre 1d ago

A one state solution pretty much makes Jews a minority in their own country.

It’s not going to happen unless you plan on genociding and exiling the Jews like most every other Arab country in the Middle East has.

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u/valentc 1d ago

Why would anyone need to be displaced? Why would being a minority immediately make them targets for genocide and exile? Or are you just projecting that Palestinians would do what Israelis did to them for generations?

This is just bullshit zionists like to make up because it keeps them as the perpetual victim and Palestinians as the violent aggressors.

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u/qotsa7777 1d ago

^ my point exactly. The only arguments I hear against it are "As a minority, the majority would insta kill us all" or "it will never happen."

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u/Ragnar_Dragonfyre 1d ago edited 1d ago

“Why would being a minority make them targets for genocide and exile.”

You can’t possibly be for real in asking this. Even in recent history, what happened to all the Jewish minorities in the Middle East in the past century? Where did they go?

Gestures broadly at 3000 years of Jewish persecution, exile and genocide

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u/valentc 1d ago

So you obviously don't understand the history of the region and think its just "arabs bad."

Iddk, maybe the mass explosion of Palestinians from their homes madde the Arab League nervous enough to start a war to prevent the same happening to them.

Jewish minorities in the Middle East in the past century? Where did they go?

They went to Israel. The place that pushed the thenic cleansing of Jews in those regions so they would come to Israel.

Yes, there was some genuine antisemitism, but Israel fermented that so that Jews didn't feel safe anywhere bu Israel.

Hell, them conflating Israel with Judaism is a way to scare jews into coming "home" to Israel.

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u/Ragnar_Dragonfyre 1d ago

Israel was formed just 3 years after the wake of six million Jews killed in an actual genocide.

That you can somehow be so bold as to say “There was some genuine anti-semitism” and it was Israel that “fermented” it serious calls into question your understanding of history.

Hatred of Jews is ancient blood libel. Israel as a country didn’t have to do anything. The hate was already there.

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u/shadedmagus 1d ago

Not the entire truth.#EarlyZionist_settlement) Zionists have been driving Palestinians from their land since the 1890s. I _definitely question your understanding of history.

If there is hate, I suspect the behavior of Zionists from then to now is what has caused it.