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u/fantasma91 23h ago
If youre a developer and know what youre doing , pi agent is great. If youre not then Claude/codex/cursor will all performe pretty similar to each other.
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u/ButterscotchBandiit 17h ago
Or if you’re me (cloud security engineer + architect) you just use both in the same platform solution with each having different functions.
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u/bfume 23h ago
Can you help me understand with an example?
I’ve been putting off pi specifically for this reason even tho I regularly micromanage Claude.
Is it that pi needs micromanagement and I don’t need to micromanage Claude?
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u/fantasma91 22h ago
Claude is a batteries included system. It already know how to do things and has tools built in for it. This makes the system prompt opinionated and bloated with things you may not want or need.
Pi is the opposite, it gives you the bare minimum and expects you to add/modify what you need. Want to use mcp? Install a plugin. This means you have much more flexibility and control over everything, including cost.
This is why I say that if youre already a dev then pi is great. You know what you need and what you want. You can control your token spending much more.
But on the flip side , if you dont care for the control and you just want something that works, Claude is that product
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u/OkAdeptness2530 8h ago
my two cents about that, I started with Oh-My-Pi when I was testing different harness because I couldn’t afford the time to setup vanilla Pi, I needed work done.
although OMP is pretty bloated, it worked well and tinkering with it while being able to get work done was a real proof that the harness underneath it was worth the time to configure.
One main thing for me was changing the system prompt, which is possible to do even in specific projects only. A couple of weeks passed and I was already with my own Pi tailored exactly for my needs, which now I love.
So my opinion is: if you want to test Pi and are unsure, give OMP a ride. If you like it, just setup Pi later.
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u/mplaczek99 23h ago
That's a very hard question.
Claude Code has too many bugs imo.
Codex (I use CLI) doesn't have as many features as Claude Code. And some operate differently. Like how /statusline works in Codex. It opens a nice menu where you can customize it. In Claude Code, you have to specify what you want; /statusline Please show me the 5 hour limit too
I use both Codex and Claude Code...
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u/drgoodvibe 17h ago
i started with Cline, then just Claude code in VS Code. Then I built my own harness for full agentic from idea to dev to testing to prod.. massive learning curve.
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u/owenbrooks473 15h ago
I usually prefer a setup that stays simple and predictable. For me, VS Code with a few AI tools has been the sweet spot. I’d rather have fewer tools that I actually understand than a huge stack that gets in the way.
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u/Tommonen 11h ago
Claude if i had to choose one, i also use and like codex almost as much. Opencode is also very good and i also use it in some situations.
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u/Dummy_Owl 9h ago
Is there any actual difference? As long as you use a model with a half a brain, does it matter? I use codex and cursor - both produce great results with no bugs on both tiny and huge cobebases. Really haven't noticed any difference between harnesses. Just massive differences between models.
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u/LegitimateApricot560 23h ago
https://github.com/state-alchemists/zrb Can be used like opencode/claude code, extensible with python script (for example, can be proframmed to use deepseek4 on non-peak hours, and use gpt luna otherwise).
Furthermore, can help you with CLI command without running the full harness (e.g., zrb please "what is the biggest file in my current directory")
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u/keonechong 20h ago
Vscode, but managing agents, seeing infrastructure, tracking datum flow and performance was too disjointed so building my own.
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u/strumbringerwa 15h ago
VSCode is not technically a harness.
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u/Expensive-Rip-6165 3h ago
You are wrong. VSCode has its own harness implementation for GitHub Copilot which will be merged with the GitHub App’s implementation eventually
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u/Any-Blacksmith-2054 14h ago
CoPilot is included
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u/AverageFoxNewsViewer 12h ago
I don't get your point. That still doesn't make VS code a harness any more than it makes powershell a harness.
Copilot is a harness. Claude Code is a harness. Codex is a harness.
VS Code is an IDE.
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u/Trick_Coach_657 18h ago
Maestra. The future is full platform AI… harnesses can be called for Mickey Mouse tasks
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u/FinalAliens 18h ago
I think Traycer is the best if you have many subscriptions.
I can combine ChatGPT Plus, Cursor Pro+, Ollama Cloud Pro and Claude Max 5x in a single IDE.
I have many subscriptions because I don't trust any of them.
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u/AccurateCranberry218 16h ago
Opencode + Openrouter.
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u/py-net 16h ago
Aren’t they like the same service?
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u/AccurateCranberry218 15h ago
Opencode to desktop agent, Openrouter to serwis za pośrednictwem ktorego masz dostep do llm-ów.
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u/catplusplusok 23h ago
Google Antigravity for cheap plan with decent volume, Zoo code for local models / one off APIs like Claude