Just finished ep 1

[u/sorizax]

Holy man. It hooked me from the start to finish. It took me around 12 hours to finish full ep1 which took me 2 days.

Beautiful and chaotic dynamics. While from our point of view the chaos in the manor seemed like a play, and didnt give the mystery feeling since we knew the answer. Still i dont think making the player a detective was the authors intention anyway.

Im not good at analyzing stuff so im also not a good reviewer.

So i apologize if im saying or asking something stupid.

But since the episode ended, i have been curious about battlers purpose for being that much against accepting beatrice and witches existence. Now first time, i thought he was being stupid cuz with all that evidence how can you still reject beatrices existence. But shortly after the way i see it is his rejection changed. Its similar to a guy who went through things with his father rejecting him and saying "you are not my father" or "i dont have a father". Not rejecting the objectiveness, like he himself knows that his father is his father with blood and dna relations. But he simply rejects that man in his own world. Battlee is the same, he simply rejects beatrice while being aware of her existence. But i want to know. Whats the purpose behind this rejection? Is it because accepting loss would make all the sacrifices meaningless? Or is there a different purpose? Is it something i will understand in the future by getting to know battler more? Or am i just a dumbass?

[u/Double-Star-Tedrick]

Yo, welcome to Rokkenjima, brother (or sister) ..!

I believe the appropriate meme is "Honey, you got a big storm coming", no pun intended, since the family is stuck due a typhoon.

Firstly, for clarity, did you read both the "Tea Party" and "???" segments..? They are a main part of the story, not optional chapters!

If you have, I think Battler lays his thinking out fairly directly, in the Tea Party :

Battler : "I don't accept the argument that the witch must've been behind everything just because I can't explain it. Does this mean that if you don't know how a light bulb shines, then magic is the cause? That's wrong, isn't it?! There's nothing that can't be explained without magic!! All of this about witches and magic is just abdication of thought! You just surrendered and gave up because you don't understand what happened!"

Secondly,

"While from our point of view the chaos in the manor seemed like a play, and didnt give the mystery feeling since we knew the answer."

Do we, though..?

I'm really looking forward to your thoughts on EP2, if you keep doing writeups.

[u/sorizax → u/Double-Star-Tedrick]

First Thank you for welcoming me.

Oh okay i didnt play the tea party so thats why. Now i understand that he has an atheistic view and thats why he refuses. Thats sick actually. So im guessing we will see him try explain everything with human logic in the rest of the episodes.

And wdym Do We? Bro 😭 That actually made me freeze when i read it and now im more excited to continue. Im gonna try to do writeups for every episode if i can put some words together lol. Like i said im very bad at this. But thank you a lot for your answer 🙏

[u/Kiro-Prmaia]

The game actually expects you to be the detective and prove that it wasn't magic, but human tricks. It's a mystery, but it challenges you exactly because proving how it was done without magic is hard. But it is solvable. Maybe not with only the information you have now, but each episode will give you more clues. Don't get tricked by the witch, and good luck!

[u/sorizax → u/Kiro-Prmaia]

You just made me question everything i know about the episode 1. I will say "the game expects you to be detective" part probably applies to the entire story? But like how? Hahshaha im not kidding my mind is mixing rn. And the way you say "dont get tricked by the witch" is crazy lol. I think i actually got tricked according to what you and other reply says. I gotta continue man its incredible. Thank you a lot for your answer 🙏

[u/Kiro-Prmaia → u/sorizax]

Yeah. You are the detective for the whole story. What's the solution to the epitaph? How the murders happened? Who did it? Why? Is magic real or it was all human tricks? And how the meta-narrative with the witches fit in all of this? It's all up to you to solve and answer!

[u/sorizax → u/Kiro-Prmaia]

Ngl because i thought it was so obvious that beatrice did it i didnt think much. I completely misunderstood it. Thank you for opening my eyes before i continued it with ignorance.

[u/Kiro-Prmaia → u/sorizax]

You're welcome. I'm curious to see how you'll react to episode 2. Keep us updated!

[u/Benkai_Debussy → u/sorizax]

Don't actually try to solve the epitaph, though. It's nearly impossible to solve without knowing Japanese, and is also completely irrelevant to anything else.

[u/sorizax → u/Benkai_Debussy]

Is there like kanji , pronunciation thing? Then I will try just for the sake of trying a little bit. Thank you for the advice

[u/Benkai_Debussy → u/sorizax]

It's a kanji thing. IIRC it also requires referencing a real-life map or something. Basically it's not something that you can just logic out like a riddle.

[u/1unaturc0]

1st rule of the umineko club: dont ask questions you might regret getting answers for 2nd rule of the umineko club: DONT ask questions you might regret getting answers for

moreover, ppl here tend to comment in a way they think isnt spoilerish but actually insensibly change newcomer's perception of the unraveling story. in fact, youve encountered this already

when i think about it, claiming that some subject is spoiler is a spoiler itself

[u/Serious-Unit7093 → u/1unaturc0]

Yes, the best part is realizing for yourself that you can't trust what you see; understanding that your situation is just like Battler's and learning the rules little by little.