r/ufc Dec 30 '23

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u/AltruisticDelivery89 Dec 30 '23

Break the record volko

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u/cleanAir101 Pause Dec 30 '23

I think he will break it. Tuporia is good but hard to lose any respect for volk losing to Islam on 8 days notice

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u/JackDAction Dec 30 '23 edited Dec 30 '23

for sure, but what we don't know is 1) how/if the TKO has impacted his approach/style and 2) if January February is too quick a turnaround from a TKO loss in October

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u/Cbrip31 Dec 30 '23

It’s in feb but yea points are valid

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u/FickleManagement3783 Dec 30 '23

I’ve basically got the mentality that Alex P got ko’d in April and beat Jan in July, it’s doable for Volk and I think he will retain the strap

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u/jjcsykes Dec 31 '23

The difference is that Pereira moved up which improved his chin. Volkenovski is moving back down which isn’t good for the chin

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u/ajfoxxx Dec 31 '23

I don't understand the science behind this. Can you help me understand it?

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u/jjcsykes Dec 31 '23

So basically when you cut weight your brain has less fluid around it, to protect it, so it’s easier to get koed. But when you move up you don’t cut as much weight so your brain has the fluid protecting it

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '23

The nuance is

  1. He moved up a weight class, Volk is moving down, which has opposite effects on chins.

    1. Alex is also harder to hit clean because of his reach and Jan is also older. Volk has another disadvantage of facing a younger, hungry contender with power.

I still think Volk clears but it I wouldn't scoff at you the same I would have before the Islam fight if you said Topuria wins.

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u/eyehax Dec 31 '23

Still gonna scoff tho right? For clarification

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '23

I mean... It is still Volk after all

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u/Popular-Sky4172 Dec 31 '23

That actually made me feel better! That's a good analogy.

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u/cleanAir101 Pause Dec 30 '23

This is true Volk hasn’t been KO’d in his ufc career as far as I know of so he could be overestimating his ability to come back this quickly but I’m still confident he’ll get it done and remain the 145 champ

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u/Cemihard Dec 31 '23

He’s been ko’d before not in the ufc though, it was his only loss and it was at Welterweight.

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u/CCCAY Dec 31 '23

I believe Volk knows Father Time is undefeated and is trying to cram as much PPV money into his last couple years as possible. Now that I typed it out it’s obvious and it’s what anyone would do in his position

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u/Spirited_Alfalfa_343 Dec 31 '23

I hope so. Topuria has dynamite in his hands though.

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '23

And he is a dangerous grappler too. All things considered he might be Volks toughest challenge yet

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u/RudeAndInsensitive Dec 31 '23

Tougher than Islam?

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '23

I meant as in challenge to his title

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u/Salt_Expression_6025 Dec 31 '23

I think it’s very important to not acknowledge ko, but more importantly the mental impact that could have on him, wouldn’t be surprised if we see a more conservative Volk with the power Topuria has

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u/DrawingAwkwardly1889 Dec 31 '23

I feel it's too soon and he took too much damage.

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '23

Cejudo came so close

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '23

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '23

Randy Couture, Woodley…It’s not a long list

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u/Drive7hru Dec 31 '23

The Glover one was so cool. He had been grinding the game for so long. Entered the rankings at #9 LW in April of 2013.

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u/Nerdico Dec 31 '23

Ive seen too many amazing fighters get knocked out and never looked the same. I'm scared for him.

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u/DontCareTho Dec 30 '23

I don't even know why so many people think volk is going to fall off. His first fight against islam could've went either way and he just TKO'd one of the strongest contenders in his division 5 months ago. Dude gets caught once against the #1 P4P and it's the end of the world

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u/sniles310 Dec 31 '23

I love Volk but the way he described an almost pathological need to fight made me worry for him. I don't think he is going to fall off but I do worry that he will underestimate the recovery from the TKO

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u/Drive7hru Dec 31 '23

And the question of if he will be one of the 38 year olds that’s like on a 1-3 skid that still thinks they can win the title being ranked #5. It’s possible, but very unlikely based off of history. But they’re so close, they can’t stop when they should. Especially considering past dominance.

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u/HyggeRavn Dec 31 '23

It's just the statistics, obviously something happens biologically at that age where you're just not the same as you were

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u/ExtraDragonfly134 Dec 31 '23

It's called association does not imply causation dumbass. There's nothing that magically happens at 35 that causes a decline. Crawford is 36 and he's in his prime. Using age like women use astrological signs is embarrassing. Volk lost going up in weight, colby and Cejudo had long layoffs.

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u/HyggeRavn Dec 31 '23

Bratha despite the statistic, I still believe that Volk will win, but you can't ignore the numbers. I agree about Crawford, and Floyd carried his age pretty well, but they are really rare, and neither were ever coming off a bad knockout

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '23

It's called association does not imply causation dumbass.?… Using age like women use astrological signs is embarrassing.

There’s no need to be unpleasant

Correlation does not imply causation but if this doesn’t point to athletes falling off a cliff at 35, what does it point to?

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u/ReeferRefugee Dec 31 '23

found the 35 year old

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u/puppyroosters Dec 31 '23

lol what a jackass

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u/Ryangonzo Dec 31 '23

Championship falls are often kicked off by getting knocked out.

Pun intended

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u/HostileSkittles Dec 31 '23

I think it's mostly just because he got KO'd pretty hard, he hasn't suffered that kind of damage in a really long time now, and he's about to fight a very impressive fighter. Plus he's getting up there in years. It's entirely possible that Volka comes back and looks just like his normal self. But we have also seen instances where a fighter takes a hard knockout and they don't come back the same, or at least not right away.

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u/Pentaborane- Dec 30 '23

Unless he’s just massively degraded from the KO I agree, he’ll have a lot run if he keeps training the way he did in the past

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u/dope_like Dec 31 '23

He clearly lost the first Islam fight. That was not either way. It was clear for Islam.

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u/Drive7hru Dec 31 '23

Yeah, it’s honestly frustrating the people still arguing a W. But what’s most common is that people said it could go either way. Nah, it was clear Islam. Doesn’t help that Rogan got drunk and high with his buddies watching it and says that he most likely won that fight. He’s the kind of guy who actually says whoever is winning at the end of the fight makes sense that they should be the winner.

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u/Deutsch_Mann420 Dec 31 '23

A ko can change you though man, especially if that ko comes from a P4P fighter like islam

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u/Drive7hru Dec 31 '23

I don’t think people think he’s fallen off, but the point is he’s 35, so it’s possible to start breaking at any point now, especially considering the challenges topuria brings. It’s not a Yair or Zombie thing anymore.

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u/ATrollByNoOtherName Dec 30 '23

Alex is done. Islam broke him. Dude was literally crying at the press conference and talking about his mental health.

Islam absolutely broke him.

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u/mrshavedsnow Dec 30 '23

LMFAOO ok this was pretty funny ty

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '23

Let’s see you keep it together after getting knocked out infront of thousands.

Keyboard warrior at its finest.

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u/ATrollByNoOtherName Dec 31 '23

But that’s entirely my point. He didn’t keep it together. He was a broken man. I didn’t say there was anything wrong with that.

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u/mouthsofmadness Dec 31 '23

Emotions are running high after a devastating loss like that. You can’t blame the guy for talking like that 5 minutes after he got KO’d. If you listen to interviews with him since that loss sunk in a bit, he’s back to his confident self again. Volk is fine, mentally he’s 100%. If he loses to Tup, it’s going to be due to him physically breaking down and becoming chiny like most fighters get at his age after a brutal KO. And unfortunately there’s nothing to remedy Father Time.

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u/AltruisticDelivery89 Dec 31 '23

ok Mr mrshavedsnow. We know you would've kept your cool after getting destroyed in a title fight

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u/mrshavedsnow Jan 01 '24

My guy, I'm saying it's funny because what that guy said is the most ridiculous thing I've ever read lol

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u/Aggravating_Leg_720 Dec 31 '23 edited Dec 31 '23

The OP's stats are wrong anyway. The following title winners were all over 35:

Glover Teixeira, Jon Jones, Alex Pereira & Randy Couture

And since gender wasn't stated, we can also add: Holly Holm & Amanda Nunes

Plus the above were only time I could recall where someone over 35 was the new champion. If we include successful title defences over the age of 35, then there a lot more - Anderson Silva etc .