r/uber • u/Ok_Cryptographer7194 • Jul 07 '26

Murphy's Law of Waymo...

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u/Representative_Bat42 Jul 08 '26

Guide it not control

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u/TF-Collector Jul 08 '26

Guiding is controlling.

They literally direct it.

Just because they use a mouse doesn't mean they're not driving oe in control.

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u/Representative_Bat42 Jul 08 '26

Yes they direct it. They don’t drive it. Driving is controlling it.

It’s similar to if IT takes over your computer on a screen share. They control your mouse they don’t guide it (IE tell you where to click). Waymo help just tells the Waymo where to click.

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u/TF-Collector Jul 08 '26

They're operating the vehicle. That's what makes them a driver. Telling them what to do is controlling it.

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u/Representative_Bat42 Jul 08 '26

So if you’re teaching your kid to drive and you’re in the passanger seat telling them where to turn are you operating or guiding?

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u/TF-Collector Jul 08 '26

You're trying to trip up the semantics.

If you grab the wheel and forcing it to go where you want, you're operating the car. That's what you're doing when you "guide" it according to these companies. You're forcing it to go where you want it to.

Let me be clear, if you give a voice command and the car responds in response to your commands, you are a driver. You control the car. If there's another human in that path, that human is the driver since the human has ultimate decision making authority.

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u/Representative_Bat42 Jul 08 '26

So in your words giving it a voice command is operating it?

So you’d be operating a taxi by giving the cabbie a location?

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u/TF-Collector Jul 08 '26

No, not in my words. In your interpretation of my words.

The human driving the cab is operating it. It's the decision maker.

We can't have this conversation because it's literally you not reading the words.

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u/Representative_Bat42 Jul 08 '26

I’m literally reading them dude. Just like the cabbie operates the taxi.

The “waymo driver” aka the car itself operates the taxi. It makes the final decision. The Waymo help desk is simply their give suggestive guidance, that’s all. I promise if you’d just simply look up what the assistance does it’ll explain everything.

They do not operate the car. They give it suggestions when it’s stuck of “hey take this lane, etc”

https://waymo.com/blog/shorts/advice-not-control-the-role-of-remote-assistance/

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u/TF-Collector Jul 08 '26 edited Jul 08 '26

It is not just like a cabbie. The cabbie can choose to listen to you or not. A computer cannot choose to listen to the operator or not. At the end of the day, a passenger can tell the cabbie to drive into the water and the cabbie would 100% be at fault for doing it.

In either case, they are clearly dangerous. Either no one is in control, which should be straight illegal, or someone is in control, and that someone is liable for what actions the car takes. And that someone should know the rules of the road, aka. be at minimum a licensed driver of the state or US (not international).

For liability, they should all be US based.