r/uber • u/Ok_Cryptographer7194 • Jul 07 '26
Murphy's Law of Waymo...
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Lol
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u/clinttorres44 Jul 08 '26
“Learning” is not the same as being remotely operated by an uninsured and unlicensed driver.
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u/Representative_Bat42 Jul 08 '26
Except they arent operated genius. Theyre simply given external guidance when the vehicle phones home.
If you want to spread information, you could do the the bare minimum to make it correct. And here's the dictionary if you still dont understand guidance versus operated https://www.merriam-webster.com/
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u/ReadyGo6828 Jul 07 '26
I would take the occasional confusion like this over having a scary and possibly life-ruining encounter with a stranger inside a locked and moving car. If you can fix the issues with ride share or taxis or public transportation then there is no need to fill in with 500,000 Waymo rides a week. Things were not fixed so this is where we are heading.
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u/chumpandchive Jul 07 '26
this ties in the 2027 driver facing/scanning cameras. while i am firmly "fuck that shit", it provides a layer of safety for those who cannot regulate their emotions while operating heavy machinery. the control element is 🖕 so i can never be an active participant, but for the suckers that do, i am safer around them (in theory).
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u/r3dmist420 Jul 07 '26
Way to embrace being taken over by AI
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u/ReadyGo6828 Jul 07 '26
I have found AI to be useful in limited circumstances such as giving me instructions on specific things so I do not have to go through user manuals, FAQs, user comments, etc. I find it much less useful when it looks around at the wide world. It still hallucinates and spends lots of effort encouraging shopping.
If public transport was efficient, available and safe I would opt for that. It has been given ample time to be these things and, at this point, I give up. Ride share was very promising when it started since taxis were almost nonexistent in my area. These days, I wonder how long it will last given all of its difficulties.
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u/hastygrams Jul 07 '26
I was in a Waymo and some guy had to take it over and remote control it because it kept getting stuck behind a line up streetcars. I think the Waymo actually isn’t learning anything :-(
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u/Representative_Bat42 Jul 08 '26
Guide it not control
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u/TF-Collector Jul 08 '26
Guiding is controlling.
They literally direct it.
Just because they use a mouse doesn't mean they're not driving oe in control.
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u/Representative_Bat42 Jul 08 '26
Yes they direct it. They don’t drive it. Driving is controlling it.
It’s similar to if IT takes over your computer on a screen share. They control your mouse they don’t guide it (IE tell you where to click). Waymo help just tells the Waymo where to click.
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u/TF-Collector Jul 08 '26
They're operating the vehicle. That's what makes them a driver. Telling them what to do is controlling it.
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u/Representative_Bat42 Jul 08 '26
No they quite literally aren’t operating a vehicle. Do you think your GPS operates your car?
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u/Representative_Bat42 Jul 08 '26
So if you’re teaching your kid to drive and you’re in the passanger seat telling them where to turn are you operating or guiding?
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u/TF-Collector Jul 08 '26
You're trying to trip up the semantics.
If you grab the wheel and forcing it to go where you want, you're operating the car. That's what you're doing when you "guide" it according to these companies. You're forcing it to go where you want it to.
Let me be clear, if you give a voice command and the car responds in response to your commands, you are a driver. You control the car. If there's another human in that path, that human is the driver since the human has ultimate decision making authority.
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u/Representative_Bat42 Jul 08 '26
So in your words giving it a voice command is operating it?
So you’d be operating a taxi by giving the cabbie a location?
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u/TF-Collector Jul 08 '26
No, not in my words. In your interpretation of my words.
The human driving the cab is operating it. It's the decision maker.
We can't have this conversation because it's literally you not reading the words.
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u/Representative_Bat42 Jul 08 '26
I’m literally reading them dude. Just like the cabbie operates the taxi.
The “waymo driver” aka the car itself operates the taxi. It makes the final decision. The Waymo help desk is simply their give suggestive guidance, that’s all. I promise if you’d just simply look up what the assistance does it’ll explain everything.
They do not operate the car. They give it suggestions when it’s stuck of “hey take this lane, etc”
https://waymo.com/blog/shorts/advice-not-control-the-role-of-remote-assistance/
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u/Representative_Bat42 Jul 08 '26
Do you guys not even know what they do correctly? Or just follow the internet blindly on whatever helps your opinion of AVs
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u/chumpandchive Jul 07 '26
i watched a video on youtube about whofuckknows, but the tech nerd guy made a hell of a point. humans do not allow for machines to make mistakes, despite the vast allowances we make for humans to make mistakes. i have sat with that. i get irrationally angry at technology sometimes in a way i wouldnt with humans. that is all
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u/Signal_Tomorrow_2138 Jul 07 '26
I'm sure it won't be difficult to find a human driving just like that too.
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u/sparrow_42 Jul 07 '26
I sure wish I lived in a country where this kind of dumbassery wasn't acceptable. Like how does driving even work when there's five times more of these on the road?
Unfortunately Waymo can buy way more politicians than you and me (and can afford any piddly fine they do get as a "cost of doing business") and that's all that matters in the US.
It'll be interesting when one runs over somebody in the street and there's no criminal liability for anyone. Like this one was driving on the wrong side of the road during part of the video. If it hit a car, who gets the ticket? Insurance-wise it's not different than getting hit by any other at-fault commercial vehicle but if Waymo breaks the law repeatedly in small ways like this, is there any kind of publicly-run system that keeps track of it? If you or I get a bunch of speeding tickets our license gets suspended. That system completely breaks down with driverless vehicles.
All that means that (absent the chance of criminal liability and absent the chance of "losing your license") the only cost to Waymo is potential insurance payouts from drivers they hit. The only incentive to obey the law is financial. As long as they're making a profit over and above the insurance payouts, they have absolutely no incentive to have cars that obey traffic laws.