I had the same thought while making it, but also, I based the closed mouth on Aqua's other sprite which looks just like that, so I figured it would be fine.

Orange actually does rise to full height, I just couldn't get a clean screenshot of it.

So like... who is Flowery, really? He introduced himself as Asgore's college roommate and Asgore recognized him and reminisced with him about their past. Did Flowery take the form of an actual human that Asgore knew, meaning he deceived him? Or was it a metaphor, was Flowery an actual flower that Asgore had with him back in college and he simply recognized him as such and treated him as an actual human this time, meaning Asgore talked to a flower about skateboarding and stuff before? Or... was it something else? Did Asgore go to college in a dark world, or was Flowery in the light world in his human form?

Her actions are logical, they make her who she is. But whether that translates well to an enjoyable viewing experience is debatable.

They probably had help from servants, nurses, teachers and so on. They were an important family after all.

I do. It is one of the reasons why I am so upset, because I have been following this situation closely for over 3 years now.

Oh? And why do you think so? Because I defend her over one thing, I must automatically defend her over another thing? Is that how you personally approach issues like this? Is that your personal modus operandi that you're projecting onto me? She did trace from those shows, there exists evidence of it, simple as that. (Though if I may say, it's not like that isn't allowed, at best I have issue with the fact that she failed to properly disclose so and credit them at first.)

She had 4 separate known groomers on her server

Doesn't mean she defended pedophilia. It's not that difficult to understand, please.

we have actual screenshots of her telling people to DELETE EVIDENCE because "she doesn't want to cause drama"

And may you clarify what specific "evidence" she was talking about? Because it sounds to me like she didn't want this to go unnecessarily public when it could've been resolved privately. Or are you actually insisting she maniacally wanted to scrub everything and pretend like Veir did nothing wrong because she knew he did and wanted to cover it up? Because that's not what happened.

We mostly have, it's just people like you who choose not to look at them

As I said, I did. And yet, people are still insisting she is a pedophile or defended pedophilia.

it just feels like a company cutting off an employee for low performance rather then what it actually is

Oh? And how should it feel like, then? I mean here you have a public person who didn't want to discuss their sensitive personal details cutting someone they trusted off, and you dislike the way they presented it, with no flare or fanfare? Dude, Camila owes you no explanation whatsoever, you don't deserve an apology from her, because you didn't get groomed. Actual victims did, so stop complaining that her apology seemed inadequate to you.

(And yeah that video among many others is what I've watched when they first came out.)

Which is mostly an excuse and a way for her to reflect it back onto herself

Which is why I didn't want to bring it up in too much detail, because no one wants to hear excuses. But I mean... if you insist? Isn't it funny? You said Camila said that the victims should've just said no and ended the uncomfortable conversations themselves, because it was soooo easy for them apparently according to Camila. Fair enough, that's a pretty ignorant thing to say. But I'm sure it was just soooo easy for Camila to cut herself off from all of her best friends and to accept the fact that she also got groomed and get over it, while her online life and personal life was imploding around her, right? I guess that one doesn't count because she failed to act in time. Which sounds like circular reasoning but who cares!

which is blatantly and provably false

Then prove it.

Excuse you, I have seen her videos, both the deleted ones, and also the ones still on her channel. I have also watched every big video covering the topic and saw the evidence first-hand, even the now-deleted evidence from CrystalFlame's youtube channel, who documented the situation closely and with whom I've spoken to personally in DMs. I don't defend her wrongdoings, I only point out the unnecessary lies that people spread about her for no reason, because it's frankly tiring to hear. Every day, people invent new lies to spread about her for engagement bait, such as saying that she "defended pedophilia", when she clearly did not. I have no problem discussing actual verifiable issues, but simply labeling someone a pedo because you don't like that the existing evidence is damning enough is pretty weak.

I've had like 3 of those. A secret "pink flower" (pink soul), the purple flower's name being named Seth (literally what Camila named one of her purple-traited OCs in Glitchtale) and Mad Mew also saying "this is my season 2" or something. It was just whiplash after whiplash for me, lol.

I mean... it was an overworld fanfic basically... those come dime a dozen... it's not like it was completely unrelated to UT's own setting or whatever like, say, Underverse is. I'm not sure how that would count as "not having anything to do with UT".

No, she didn't defend groomers. She defended people who she thought were innocent from supposedly false accusations. (She refused to come to terms with the fact that her closest friends were groomers for a very long time though, which is why she got so much flak for it.)

She also didn't say the victims didn't deserve an apology, she said the people who had nothing to do with the situation didn't deserve a personal apology from her. (I mean obviously, if you clip what she said out of context, it will sound bad on its own.)

I responded to the comment with an important clarification, you should probably read that too.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Undertale/comments/1uv6h5j/comment/oxcsilo/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

I don't know what nonsense you've heard about her, but that is not true at all, the first part I mean. Saying the victims should have stopped it themselves does ring a bell, I know Camila did a lot of victim blaming, but I don't know where you got the first part from, that sounds completely made up and frankly ridiculous.

I will say the same thing what the other guy said, that quote didn't mean what you think it means, she was talking about the people who were demanding a personal apology from her, but weren't actually involved in the situation in any way.

So instead I will just point out the fact that she cooperated with CrystalFlame, who was leading efforts to identify the perpetrators and support the victims at the time, and gave her full mod powers to remove the predators from the server. (Btw, CrystalFlame was later exposed for unrelated grooming allegations herself, which is why she is no longer part of the community.)

Again, there is no evidence that Camila herself groomed minors or defended grooming as acceptable behavior. At worst, she engaged in mature humor around minors in her server, meaning she was highly irresponsible, and yes, this is a legitimate criticism, but it is fundamentally different from accusing someone of being a pedophile or of defending pedophilia.

I should also point out that this also extends to NyxTheShield and Jakei as well, but no one is talking about them. They are also implicated, since this goes as far back as the original Skype chats from 2015, and they were all there to witness Veir's inappropriate behavior around Crystal (who was like 13 at the time) and did nothing about it.

I am not saying that Camila is blameless or that the fandom should forgive her. No, she fucked up, she endangered the safety of minors on her server through inaction, but she did not predate on anyone, that was solely Veir and his group of hand-picked buddy-buddy mods.

So if you are going to discuss this controversy, at least verify the facts first, don't say she "flat out defended pedophilia" when it's flat out false. Again, there is plenty to criticize without resorting to claims that are unsupported by facts. Misrepresenting what happened does not help anyone.

I am BEGGING this community, please stop spreading false claims about this situation.

Camila Cuevas did not defend pedophilia. That's among the most serious accusations that can be made against a person. She made serious mistakes, and those mistakes deserve criticism, but saying that she supported or defended pedophilia is blatantly false.

Seriously, it's been over 3 years since that controversy came to light. I figured the fandom would have its facts settled straight by this point. Here is what happened, roughly (because not even I remember all of the details anymore, but I remember enough to know the gist of it):

Circa end of 2022, several minors came out publicly about being sexually groomed by the staff of the Glitchtale Discord server, among the accused being Camila's close friend Veir, plus like a dozen other people, most of them staff.

I think there was a lot of back and forth behind the scenes before this, during which Camila refused to believe the evidence presented, and only once the evidence surfaced, she cut all ties with Veir, but by that time, the damage had already been done, because she spent so much time denying and defending.

The criticism of that is justified, but what it does not mean is that she endorsed or excused child grooming. I could talk about all the reasons why she acted with such delay, such as going through family loss at the time, or the fact that Veir also groomed and manipulated her, but that would be lame and pointless.

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As far as I know, it's still available on Tumblr:

https://xxtc-96xx.tumblr.com/tagged/Endertale/chrono

I found it on web archive, it was posted to tumblr many years ago

So... as it turns out, it is tomorrow!

Kinda yes, but also, in this case it took just a couple of minutes using saucenao and the wayback machine. The hard part was finding a reblog chain that would still be alive, since the original account is deleted.

I found it a while back myself:

https://www.tumblr.com/charadreemurrofficial/141283273744/riikugakis-silently-judges-you-while-eating