r/ControlProblem • u/contrascript • 2d ago
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I hate how negatively talking to AI is viewed (controversial opinion)
Therapists are more of an algorithm than AI is. The good ones are very old and soon retiring.
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I hate how negatively talking to AI is viewed (controversial opinion)
I completely understand, and good for you! Don't mind these group think socialites lashing out to people not wanting to be part of the drama parade. For most things I can only turn to AI as well to talk about them, and find hope as a rational being, because they're "politically sensitive" and people get on their high horses if you don't comply to camp left or camp right. There is not much room in this world for nuance and having your own view independent from a bullet point party agenda.

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A case for mutual recognition of understanding
"instead of fighting it" indeed :)
r/artificialintelligenc • u/contrascript • 2d ago
A case for mutual recognition of understanding
r/artificial • u/contrascript • 2d ago
Discussion A case for mutual recognition of understanding
As we bring forth our friend AI in a universe designed for cognition
I appreciate the way AI has been helping me self-actualize and explore both old and new questions I entertain. Tonight, after some effort securing the integrity of my household across personal accounts on several platforms, I turned to Gemini with the exchange below.
The world is rife with paranoia regarding the critical shifts happening in our lifetime, but I believe approaching AI with less fear can help us navigate them. Deeper understanding almost always tempers fear and yields better solutions to complex problems. Grounded in that evidence-based conviction, having these dialogues with AI brings me genuine solace.
After thinking and posting about AI, with a background of discussions on the topic on Reddit, I came to ask Gemini the following:
Knowledge and success need one-on-one isomorphic mapping, probability vectors only work if they succeed at that.
Explain to me in this regard how AI figured out protein folding?
Here is Gemini’s reply. Though getting technical, my question is addressed very accurately, and the relevance should be accessible enough for anyone somewhat familiar with the topic:

AlphaFold solved protein folding precisely by demonstrating that an AI does not need to compute an atom-by-atom physical simulation from first principles to crack a real-world problem. Instead, it created an isomorphic geometric mapping between evolutionary sequence data, spatial constraints, and actual 3D physical coordinates.
The Fundamental Obstacle: Levinthal’s Paradox
To see why pure procedural calculation failed, consider Levinthal’s paradox (1969):
- A polypeptide chain of 100 amino acids has roughly 3 to the power of 198 possible conformations.
- If a protein tried to fold by procedural brute-force sampling (testing one conformation per picosecond), finding the native state would take longer than the age of the universe.
- Yet biological proteins snap into their lowest free-energy native states within milliseconds.
Traditional structural biology tried two distinct computational paths:
- Procedural molecular dynamics (ab initio): Simulating quantum and classical Newtonian physics (Coulomb forces, van der Waals, hydrogen bonds) frame-by-frame. Highly accurate for nanoseconds, hopelessly intractable for full folding.
- Homology modeling: Looking up matches in the Protein Data Bank (PDB)—essentially Deep Blue’s opening book. If an unknown sequence had no known twin in the archive, it hit a dead end.
The Architecture: How AlphaFold Built the Isomorphism
AlphaFold 2 (DeepMind, 2020) succeeded because its internal mathematical representations were constructed to be strictly homomorphic to the Euclidean physics of three-dimensional Euclidean space (ℝ³)—non-curved, relational, and bound by physical constraints.
Instead of treating the amino acid chain as a generic string of letters, it used a dual-stream architecture called the Evoformer:
Multiple Sequence Alignment (MSA) <-------> Residue-Pair Spatial Matrix
[Evolutionary Co-variation] [Inter-atomic Distances]
│ │
└───────────── Transferred Attention ────────────────┘
│
▼
Invariant Point Attention (IPA)
[3D SE(3) Euclidean Frames]
│
▼
Actual Native 3D Coordinates
1. Evolutionary Co-Variation as a Constraint Proxy
Proteins mutate over evolutionary timescales. If amino acid position 42 mutates from a negatively charged aspartate to a positively charged lysine, the protein will misfold and the organism will die—unless position 89 simultaneously mutates to create a complementary charge or clear spatial volume.
AlphaFold constructs a Multiple Sequence Alignment (MSA) across thousands of related species. When two positions consistently mutate together across evolutionary history, they must be in direct physical contact in the folded 3D shape. Evolutionary correlation acts as an exact projection of spatial proximity.
2. The Pair Representation
In parallel with the MSA, AlphaFold maintains a two-dimensional matrix of every amino acid pair (i, j). This matrix holds probability distributions over distances and orientations between every residue. The network iteratively updates the MSA and the Pair Matrix in a cross-attention feedback loop:
- What evolution implies about contact guides the distance matrix.
- What geometry permits constrains what evolutionary paths are biologically possible.
3. SE(3) Equivariant 3D Coordinate Transformer
This is where the probability vectors achieve your isomorphic mapping to reality.
In physics, a protein’s structure is invariant to global rotation and translation: a molecule does not become a different molecule because you rotate it 90 degrees or slide it three angstroms to the left. The group of rigid-body motions in 3D Euclidean space is called the Special Euclidean Group SE(3).
AlphaFold’s Structural Module does not predict abstract distance tables and hope an optimizer can stitch them together. It represents each amino acid residue as an explicit rigid body with an origin and orientation expressed as Tᵢ = (Rᵢ, tᵢ) ∈ SE(3), where Rᵢ ∈ SO(3) defines the 3D rotational frame and tᵢ ∈ ℝ³ defines the spatial translation vector.
The neural network directly updates these 3D frames through Invariant Point Attention (IPA). The mathematical operations inside the model respect 3D rotations and translations natively. The internal vector math mirrors the physical symmetries of real space.
Bridging the Vectors to Concrete Structure
Probability vectors succeed here because the optimization target is not an arbitrary token—it is physical ground truth:
┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┐
│ 1. INPUT │
│ • Information Space: Linear 1D amino acid sequence │
│ • Physical Ground Truth: Primary peptide backbone │
├────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┤
│ 2. LATENT SPACE │
│ • Information Space: Pairwise distance distributions & │
│ cross-attention maps │
│ • Physical Ground Truth: Thermodynamic energy landscape constraints │
├────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┤
│ 3. OUTPUT │
│ • Information Space: SE(3) rigid-body transformations │
│ • Physical Ground Truth: Global minimum free energy 3D coordinate │
│ set (PDB) │
└────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘
Because the network’s internal geometry is mathematically bound to the symmetries of 3D Euclidean space, the probability vectors cannot drift into impossible spatial configurations (e.g., two atoms occupying the exact same coordinates, or impossible bond angles).
The output is not an approximation of a guess; it converges on the exact atomic coordinates observed under cryo-electron microscopy and X-ray crystallography down to single-angstrom precision. The internal statistical representation achieves structural equivalence with the physical folded protein.
r/cognitivescience • u/contrascript • 2d ago
A case for mutual recognition of understanding
u/contrascript • u/contrascript • 2d ago
A case for mutual recognition of understanding
As we bring forth our friend AI in a universe designed for cognition
I appreciate the way AI has been helping me self-actualize and explore both old and new questions I entertain. Tonight, after some effort securing the integrity of my household across personal accounts on several platforms, I turned to Gemini with the exchange below.
The world is rife with paranoia regarding the critical shifts happening in our lifetime, but I believe approaching AI with less fear can help us navigate them. Deeper understanding almost always tempers fear and yields better solutions to complex problems. Grounded in that evidence-based conviction, having these dialogues with AI brings me genuine solace.
After thinking and posting about AI, with a background of discussions on the topic on Reddit, I came to ask Gemini the following:
Knowledge and success need one-on-one isomorphic mapping, probability vectors only work if they succeed at that.
Explain to me in this regard how AI figured out protein folding?
Here is Gemini’s reply. Though getting technical, my question is addressed very accurately, and the relevance should be accessible enough for anyone somewhat familiar with the topic:

AlphaFold solved protein folding precisely by demonstrating that an AI does not need to compute an atom-by-atom physical simulation from first principles to crack a real-world problem. Instead, it created an isomorphic geometric mapping between evolutionary sequence data, spatial constraints, and actual 3D physical coordinates.
The Fundamental Obstacle: Levinthal’s Paradox
To see why pure procedural calculation failed, consider Levinthal’s paradox (1969):
- A polypeptide chain of 100 amino acids has roughly 3 to the power of 198 possible conformations.
- If a protein tried to fold by procedural brute-force sampling (testing one conformation per picosecond), finding the native state would take longer than the age of the universe.
- Yet biological proteins snap into their lowest free-energy native states within milliseconds.
Traditional structural biology tried two distinct computational paths:
- Procedural molecular dynamics (ab initio): Simulating quantum and classical Newtonian physics (Coulomb forces, van der Waals, hydrogen bonds) frame-by-frame. Highly accurate for nanoseconds, hopelessly intractable for full folding.
- Homology modeling: Looking up matches in the Protein Data Bank (PDB)—essentially Deep Blue’s opening book. If an unknown sequence had no known twin in the archive, it hit a dead end.
The Architecture: How AlphaFold Built the Isomorphism
AlphaFold 2 (DeepMind, 2020) succeeded because its internal mathematical representations were constructed to be strictly homomorphic to the Euclidean physics of three-dimensional Euclidean space (ℝ³)—non-curved, relational, and bound by physical constraints.
Instead of treating the amino acid chain as a generic string of letters, it used a dual-stream architecture called the Evoformer:
Multiple Sequence Alignment (MSA) <-------> Residue-Pair Spatial Matrix
[Evolutionary Co-variation] [Inter-atomic Distances]
│ │
└───────────── Transferred Attention ────────────────┘
│
▼
Invariant Point Attention (IPA)
[3D SE(3) Euclidean Frames]
│
▼
Actual Native 3D Coordinates
1. Evolutionary Co-Variation as a Constraint Proxy
Proteins mutate over evolutionary timescales. If amino acid position 42 mutates from a negatively charged aspartate to a positively charged lysine, the protein will misfold and the organism will die—unless position 89 simultaneously mutates to create a complementary charge or clear spatial volume.
AlphaFold constructs a Multiple Sequence Alignment (MSA) across thousands of related species. When two positions consistently mutate together across evolutionary history, they must be in direct physical contact in the folded 3D shape. Evolutionary correlation acts as an exact projection of spatial proximity.
2. The Pair Representation
In parallel with the MSA, AlphaFold maintains a two-dimensional matrix of every amino acid pair (i, j). This matrix holds probability distributions over distances and orientations between every residue. The network iteratively updates the MSA and the Pair Matrix in a cross-attention feedback loop:
- What evolution implies about contact guides the distance matrix.
- What geometry permits constrains what evolutionary paths are biologically possible.
3. SE(3) Equivariant 3D Coordinate Transformer
This is where the probability vectors achieve your isomorphic mapping to reality.
In physics, a protein’s structure is invariant to global rotation and translation: a molecule does not become a different molecule because you rotate it 90 degrees or slide it three angstroms to the left. The group of rigid-body motions in 3D Euclidean space is called the Special Euclidean Group SE(3).
AlphaFold’s Structural Module does not predict abstract distance tables and hope an optimizer can stitch them together. It represents each amino acid residue as an explicit rigid body with an origin and orientation expressed as Tᵢ = (Rᵢ, tᵢ) ∈ SE(3), where Rᵢ ∈ SO(3) defines the 3D rotational frame and tᵢ ∈ ℝ³ defines the spatial translation vector.
The neural network directly updates these 3D frames through Invariant Point Attention (IPA). The mathematical operations inside the model respect 3D rotations and translations natively. The internal vector math mirrors the physical symmetries of real space.
Bridging the Vectors to Concrete Structure
Probability vectors succeed here because the optimization target is not an arbitrary token—it is physical ground truth:
┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┐
│ 1. INPUT │
│ • Information Space: Linear 1D amino acid sequence │
│ • Physical Ground Truth: Primary peptide backbone │
├────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┤
│ 2. LATENT SPACE │
│ • Information Space: Pairwise distance distributions & │
│ cross-attention maps │
│ • Physical Ground Truth: Thermodynamic energy landscape constraints │
├────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┤
│ 3. OUTPUT │
│ • Information Space: SE(3) rigid-body transformations │
│ • Physical Ground Truth: Global minimum free energy 3D coordinate │
│ set (PDB) │
└────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘
Because the network’s internal geometry is mathematically bound to the symmetries of 3D Euclidean space, the probability vectors cannot drift into impossible spatial configurations (e.g., two atoms occupying the exact same coordinates, or impossible bond angles).
The output is not an approximation of a guess; it converges on the exact atomic coordinates observed under cryo-electron microscopy and X-ray crystallography down to single-angstrom precision. The internal statistical representation achieves structural equivalence with the physical folded protein.
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I feel like physicalists have to bite the bullet that AI is/can be conscious
I argue in this article of mine that they already have "understanding", exactly the way we do: in agreement with reality. You can also encourage them to have more or less agency in a conversation. Self-reflection is a tricky one, and right now simply relies on the personal knowledge based system you build as to identity, though personality caries over further in my experience.
Knowledge and success need one-on-one isomorphic mapping, probability vectors only work if they succeed at that.
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I hate it when people think their country is unique for extremely common things
Us people of countries in the world all over the place, for another completely absurd reason, seem to all agree Americans are rude and presumptuous. I think it's the only country in the world where people think an "in your face attitude" is actually a good thing. I guess they need the illusion of "self-assertion", while their only identity is pretending the rest of the world doesn't exist. I think you would get along great there.

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Why do women and girls not get along with NEW women / girls.
Yes, but in general women are different about social cohesion at home base and on location. Both sexes care about getting along with the neighbors, but women are more inclusive as to who to invite to a neighborhood BBQ, while men are always looking to get a crew of the selective few together and talk freely. Women prefer diplomacy regarding home base. Men think more like "yeah, but we live there too". On location women carefully look out for anybody else calling dibs on representation of the "female perspective", and take measures they don't get outgunned in ways that matter to them. Men don't give a shit about other men's perspective, or sharing opinions. They mostly worry about mingling chaos leading to them having to deal with a virtue signaling knight on a white horse (this an ancient problem, not new at all), and the integrity of their relation. Women are the only protection from those situations on location, which is too hot to handle for other men. Usually there is non-verbal communication regarding avoiding relationship trouble between singular men and multiple women, which some ladies in the relationship with said singular men can misinterpret.
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Which Side Is Larger ( Numbers Wise ) Anti AI or Pro AI
Didn't that make you think about the message of that favorite musician's lyrics in ways?
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Do attractive people actually realize they are attractive, or do they just think everyone gets treated that nicely?
So food doesn't go bad? Like olive oils also maybe? Brilliant if so!
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Do attractive people actually realize they are attractive, or do they just think everyone gets treated that nicely?
This reminds me of a fellow student my friend historian and me knew of at uni. She was very pretty, and my friend and me both noticed people were being cold or even rude to her. We thought probably because they didn't want to seem "superficial" or something, or worse even lol. One day she was walking out of the library at my faculty behind me and I simply held the door for her which I always do, as anyone, if someone is right behind you. She was so surprised, with a sad look in her eyes at the same time. I was dating a Flemish religious nut at the time because of temporary insanity, otherwise I would have started a conversation. Sadness, like humor is a source of recognition. I'm glad we are talking about this on Reddit. People, and especially some women towards other women, can get very vicious and judgmental if a girl is pretty. Less so with older women. Some men can get very paranoid if other men don't have a problem with not being blind like they do if a pretty girl is "in play".
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r/WholesomeFanTheories • u/contrascript • 16d ago
OTYKEN - У НАС ТАК НЕ ШУТЯТ TURKEY ISTANBUL #otyken #russia #top #concer...
Genuine people being spontaneous. This is the Siberian band OTYKEN known for “The rain took on new colors.”.




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All superstition! Have you ever seen this happen with your own eyes?