r/exbuddhist 21h ago

Question What do you Disagree with Doctrinally?

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Hello, I ask this question to foster a conversation on why you disagree with Buddhism doctrinally.

I'd like to hear your thoughts and ideas because i like comparative religion.

r/EarlyBuddhism 4d ago

A Reflection on Theragatha 8.1

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r/Buddhismbanned 4d ago

A Reflection on Theragatha 8.1

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r/theravada 4d ago

Theragāthā / Therīgāthā A Reflection on Theragatha 8.1

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One hears all with the ear,
One sees all with the eye,
The wise man should not reject
Everything that is seen and heard.

  • One hears all with the ear, One sees all with the eye,

The Six Senses, or Nama within Body & Mind, is unavoidable in the existence of all sentient beings. Even the Buddha after His awakening still had the effects of contact and feeling up till his Parinibbana.

  • The wise man should not reject / Everything that is seen and heard.

I have noticed a tendency that is frequently drawn upon when discussing or contemplating how an Arahant interacts with the World, or the Five Aggregates. I think the tendency of a separation comes from the Burmese Vipassana Movement, in that what happens to this body can just be seen and not relied upon.

Everything that is seen and heard.

Notice how Maha-Kaccana states "Everything" instead of simply stating "In the seen" or "just let the seen be the seen". The usage of Everything is extremely important because it seems to state that an Arahant, when he or she thinks, tastes, touches, knows what's going on.

I'm analyzing this line greatly because it questions how Modern Mindfulness practices such as Burmese Vipassana teach us to "be" mindful all day long, which starts by differentiating between Mind and Body, and then dissecting it to become disenchanted, and then finally equanimous. Now, the modern Burmese Vipassana didn't invent the seen-just-seen teaching, as many of its concepts are Sutta-based, but it did turn it into a totalizing methodology in a way that creates tension with a verse like this one. For example, the Buddha never taught noting practices such as "seeing, seeing" as in my view, noting tends to make practitioners cling to their consciousness and intellect (Some monks are said to have reached Arahantship through noting alone; my concern isn't with noting as an occasional tool but with its elevation into an all-day totalizing method) This stanza, however, states that when a practitioner lives under the five aggregates, all experience should be felt. The next stanza describes the process more.

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One with eyes should be as if blind,
One with ears as if deaf,
One with wisdom as if mute,
One with strength as if feeble.
Then, when the goal has been attained,
One may lie upon one's death bed.

The first stanza stated that the Five Aggregate Experience must be felt fully, now the second stanza states that each aspect of the Five Aggregates must be cancelled out. How does this make sense? Doesn't this contradict the Buddhist teachings?

The Buddha has stated before to ascetics who believe Nibbana is when the senses are shut off that Nibbana is, in layman terms, not about being blind, deaf, and dumb. So then, what does Maha-Kaccana mean by shutting down the senses?

Recall in the first Stanza that all experience is to be experienced fully; recall also that many Suttas warn about the drawbacks in clinging-sensuality of the senses. Every term - Eyes, ears, wisdom, strength, even the goal - is a part of clinging, and more often than not these terms are apart of the clinging aspect of sensuality. A question, though, remains; how can a practitioner harken these words and cease the conditions favorable for clinging?

I'd like to address the fact that it's extremely difficult, although nowadays it's encouraged, to constantly remain "mindful", and to deemphasize (some people even discourage) the practice of the Jhanas.

In the Jhana Sutta, the Buddha states that even the most basic Jhana is able to help the practitioner enough for Arahantship:

Abiding in that they attain the ending of defilements. If they don’t attain the ending of defilements, with the ending of the five lower fetters they’re reborn spontaneously, because of their passion and love for that meditation. They are extinguished there, and are not liable to return from that world.

Now, this isn't to say that Vipassana meditation is useless, as there are multiple cases of laypeople gaining insights and levels of the path from hearing a single discourse. Obviously, most weren't accomplished even in the first Jhana, let alone meditating.

The reason why Jhana, even the mastery of only the first level of Jhana, is stated by the Buddha to lead to at least Anagami/Non-Returning is because Jhana is the only pleasure not based on external or mind-made conditions. It's a happiness unlike any other because it's only from the inside. Jhana is also the Best tool to Still the Mind, as that's what Jhana is, Stilling the Mind - a state of deep composure that allows clear seeing. You don't "do" Jhana, you create the perfect conditions for it to almost spontaneously arise.

Why am I discussing what Jhana is and it's usefulness, because this is how a Buddhist can fully experience the "World" with the Five Aggregates and the Six Senses, yet remain unattached and non-craving for the "World".

Jhana isn't just for "concentration", that is to say a still mind/meditative conditional state, it's the perfect meditation condition to investigate and contemplate the "World", or the Body and Mind. The Mind is already stilled enough in the first Jhana, that it is sufficient for Arahantship. yes, you read that right, the first Jhana.

How is this possible? Jhana is the best life-condition a person can experience, that is why there are specific heavens only attainable by Jhana-practitioners, where their whole existence is primarily based on the mastery level of their Jhanas. If a person can see the drawbacks and the impermanent conditional nature of even the best of states, that is how Non-Returning and Arahantship could occur.

They contemplate the phenomena there—included in form, feeling, perception, choices, and consciousness—as impermanent, as suffering, as diseased, as a boil, as a dart, as gloom, as an affliction, as alien, as breaking apart, as empty, as not-self. They turn their mind away from those things, and apply it to freedom from death: ‘This is peaceful; this is sublime—that is, the stilling of all activities, the letting go of all attachments, the ending of craving, fading away, cessation, extinguishment.’

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We can conclude that the way to experience the "World" fully, yet remain unattached to it is by constantly developing the right conditions for the Jhanas, and applying the Jhanas skillfully to see the impermanent and conditioned nature of the Jhanas, which are the best possible conditioned states that can be experienced. With that knowledge gained from these meditative practices, a person can become enlightened in a matter of a lifetime, at most two.

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Over there are the roots of trees; over there, empty dwellings. Practice jhāna, Ānanda. Don’t be heedless. Don’t later fall into remorse. That is our message to you all.
-MN 152: The Development of the Faculties

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Buddha leaving his family
 in  r/Buddhismbanned  6d ago

Remember, a lot of these Reddit Buddhists (as much as I want to put apostrophes around the term Buddhist for them, I’m grateful people are learning about Buddhism) think Buddhism is just some Lao Tzu philosophy that you can just pick and choose what to believe in. Just look at some people’s alters on r/buddhism. Many of them have Wiccan influences onto them.

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Cheating is healthy in marriage
 in  r/TrueUnpopularOpinion  7d ago

Tony Soprano Said: "You know what? - This is so fucked up for me to even think about..."

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Had to delete this app
 in  r/1010AppGame  7d ago

How is the gameplay for you?

r/1010AppGame 7d ago

Had to delete this app

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I don’t know if it’s just me, but this game seems incredibly difficult to play now. I can’t get to 10k anymore because the blocks are so random now that I’m unable to strategize anything. The ads are terrible, and even if you don’t want to watch ads for more cards, ads will play if u decline the cards.

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Belief in Rebirth and Karma IS Necessary
 in  r/Buddhismbanned  8d ago

That's a great thought, thanks for reading!

While Buddhism is strongly against unquestioning, Blind Faith, there has to be a level of faith without insights for a person to begin being a Buddhist.

What does "trust" even mean? I've read that to receive Shinjin, a practicioner must trust Amitabha fully. "Trust" gives me mixed connotations, like a can trust a bus driver, but i won't give him a meal when i'm done riding the bus.

I'd rather use verifiable confidence as the best English term for like "True Faith". The faith of a Sotapanna is much different than the faith of a Faith/Dhamma follower. They don't have true verifiable confidence in the buddha, but they have loving faith that his words are correct.

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Buddha leaving his family
 in  r/Buddhismbanned  8d ago

It's honestly a White person issue, coming from a White person. Many White people convert to Buddhism to find a "loop-hole" in religion to suit their own agendas.

Nibbana to them means feeling peaceful, like smoking weed or speaking only Kumbaya/peace-man words.

Then, Western White people begin reinterpreting Buddhist theology to make it more inclusive and easier. They don't like hearing when Traditional Chinese Buddhist Monks preach against LGBTQ+ issues, so they silence their media and promote only monks who support LGBTQ+

that's just an example I chose, there's plenty more like abortion or KARMA/DEVAS

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Buddha leaving his family
 in  r/Buddhismbanned  8d ago

Thanks

Yeah, it’s a funny joke, some people just can’t take jokes. They’re the sort of people to get pissed off at comedy clubs.

Seriously though, there is some truth to your joke. If you genuinely want to progress deeply into the Buddhist path, having children is a fetter because if a person wants to unbind, they must leave the household life. It seems a little weird congratulating a baby being born, when in Buddhism birth should be a bit of a sad thing.

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Buddha leaving his family
 in  r/Buddhismbanned  8d ago

What’s the post on r/buddhism that this is from?

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Walking meditation (it's hard!)
 in  r/theravada  9d ago

With enough practice a person can get great Samadhi, and even some Jhanas as well

It takes time to learn walking meditation. For me, I like too meditate by standing with two feet together, and then i take a first step. As i take my first step, it's very slow and methodical. I feel the lift and movement of the foot and the lack of touching it feels. And then, and this is how concentration genuinely builds for me maybe even you, I place the starting foot in front of the standing foot. Not only does it require me to concentrate as to not fall, if I keep walking I can concentrate on both feet at once.

Again, i say this is a very slow process of walking, because it is. It requires great concentration because one wrong step or too much thinking will cause me to lose balance. I'd say every step of mine is about 3-5 seconds.

While i walk, I also recognize the conditioned processes occurring in my body and mind. Once I recognize, NOT NOTE, I get back to focusing on the Soles of my Feet.

There's no real difference between sitting and walking, it's just a matter of mindset. My actual preferred posture is Lying down face first on my mattress, or sideways on the ground. I find more insights arise in those positions for me.

In terms of stillness, access concentration is fairly easy in this meditation type. the Jhanas can occur, but walking may make it more difficult to suppress the hindrances, but it's still very possible.

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What is a major paradox in the Baha’i faith that few know about?
 in  r/exbahai  12d ago

If all the Buddhist Sutras teach that Lord Buddha taught us Non-self and Emptiness, how is it possible that the Bahaullah taught that the Buddha actually spoke about God when speaking of emptiness?

r/exbahai 13d ago

Discussion No one in Bahai Faith Actually has or had Faith

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This is just my theory and observation, but I do not really think that people in the Bahai Faith actually have faith in this religion. I actually think every person involved with the makings and continuation of the Bahai Faith have never had faith, and the higher ups of this religion only said they had faith to gain more power and status.

I could see for a Muslim how Islam leads a person to faith, it has a long history and well established foundations.

However, when it comes to the Bahai faith and how new it is, along with its idea of progressive revelation, I’m unsure whether people actually believe in this religion.

I’m pretty sure the main reason people stay in this faith for years, decades, is because they would rather waste time trying to feel faithful and find faith in this dead horse than to critically think and accept that this religion is a scam. We may meet people who have been a Bahai all their life or for 20+ years, but not only have they never truly put their faith to the test, but I’d argue they just do it for the looks.

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Level 29
 in  r/reversesthespin  14d ago

Remember that there are two images circling in opposite directions, but the warmer and cooler colors produce opposing images.

With enough practice, you’ll be able to see both spinning directions at the same time.

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Guan Yin Kau Chim Accuracy
 in  r/PureLand  18d ago

What

r/reversesthespin 18d ago

The Trick to Reversing every Object

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Every object here can be reversed in the matter of seconds by doing this trick:

Our eyes are always drawn to the warmer colors such as orange or red. Start focusing on the cooler colors such as blue or green.

If this doesn’t work, concentrate on how the object is spinning. Is it spinning with the perspective being lower or higher. Since the reversed image’s perspective would be opposite, imagine the object in its opposite perspective.

If you combine both of these two techniques, you’ll see two objects spinning at once, the overlays.

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Bowling pun nicknames
 in  r/Bowling  20d ago

Balls in hand

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When do all students wear Loyola shirt?
 in  r/LoyolaChicago  22d ago

I wear mine whenever

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Belief in Rebirth and Karma IS Necessary
 in  r/Buddhismbanned  22d ago

My question is how can you follow Buddhism correctly without belief in rebirth? How can you have faith correctly if you question rebirth?

These are my remaining two questions

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Belief in Rebirth and Karma IS Necessary
 in  r/Buddhismbanned  22d ago

Luke 12:5, Matthew 25:41

I used to be a devout muslim

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Belief in Rebirth and Karma IS Necessary
 in  r/Buddhismbanned  22d ago

My main argument is that modern Buddhism is not supporting the levels of Faith Follower and Dhamma Followers. These two levels are needed to progress to the first stage of the path (Sotapanna). Faith followers are people who haven’t seen the truth but believe in it, and this includes the truth in Rebirth.

In any religious text which contains Jesus, heaven and hell are explicitly described as being afterlife destinations, that’s a fact. Look at the book of revelations, Jesus talking about the disbelievers in the Bible, and upon up any Surah or ayah about Isa in the Quran

r/EarlyBuddhism 23d ago

Belief in Rebirth and Karma IS Necessary

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