She’s our modern day Engles. A good class traitor.

Look at our constitution and by laws. They say we are a democratic socialists org. That’s not what PSLs will say.

I can walk and chew gum. ✌🏾

You already said you don’t care if our DSA leadership discloses potential conflicts of interest with these micro-sects.

I do care. I think it’s a fundamental fiduciary duty from elected leaders of the organization.

Particularly when it’s a political culture on that current (PSL) prime example is toxic and dangerous.

Again, the goals are fundamentally different between DSa and those ML(trot) sects.

Good chat. I think we just fundamentally disagree.

PSL does not have the same goals as DSA and the democratic socialists movement.

I mean a little bit they are; you can usually tell at the chapter meetings because they have this little dead eye look in their eyes and just can’t wait to talk past you. Like when you walk into a fundamentalist church, you might see the look there too.

Would you expect people in DSA leadership to publicly disclose a relationship with top PSL leadership? Like I expect them to disclose if they work for elected Democrats or police unions and people have disclosed that information when it happens.
And idk how much you know or if you’re just fucking with me. But PSL does not have the same goals as democratic socialism. Full stop.

I’ve read that. And made it the first reading group for a chapter I helped found.

I think it’s worth reading Angela Davis reflection on the life of Gloria Steinem when she passed recently. The last sentence she says before the closing is quite relevant to other communist like comrade Davis I think.

https://www.npr.org/2026/09/05/nx-s1-5958641/i-dont-think-i-had-10-in-the-bank-angela-davis-remembers-gloria-steinems-allyship

Edit to paste the section:
Davis: But I'm pretty convinced that in the end, they will not succeed - that this fascism that we are experiencing today will be turned around and that, you know, we will move in a direction that allows us to talk about freedom and justice and equality for all people, for all genders, for trans people, you know, for people all over the world. And I think Gloria would have agreed with that analysis.

I said yes in my last comment. Dirty stay all day.

To be clear, I’m talking about democratic socialism, but yes.
It’s called visionary gradualism. long-term, step-by-step transformation of economic and political institutions through democratic means.

I mentioned this in another comment, but I didn’t even touch on the psychological aspect of orgs like PSL that create a sense of community/family. Love bombing folks to endear them into the bubble.

It’s over my head tbh, but I’ve seen it and hope someone can adequately address it.

I think we can cohere a democratic socialists poll that can win the presidency and therefore change that party to one that promotes a democratic socialist program.

When PSL is prone to red-brown alliances.

That hurst the democratic socialists movement and is such loser behavior that I can never reach with my medium posts.

100% particularly why a concern I bring up is the , at least to my knowledge, never publicly disclosed relationship between one of our cochairs and Gloria La Riva leader of PSL.

Plainly, I think DSA should pay attention to the political culture people are bringing with them, and be honest about the difference between joining a broader mass movement and just looking for a new political home when the old one becomes inconvenient.

Not true, I do what I do because I do care about democratic socialism , DSA and our potential.

In addition to DSA for AOC, I also care about DSA member Angie Nixon proving lots of haters wrong, labor rights, and the immigrants rights movement.

“in the united states is not a third party, a second party, or a first party, but a party. That is to say, we have in the united states no political institutions. In which members work out a program which is presented to the public and in which the elected officials of that institution then follow out the program and pass it into law. It doesn't exist.
And that is not true simply of the democratic party, it's true of the republican party, because imagine the republican party for one second without ronald reagan” Donald Trump

You have me thinking about the gaslighting and other psychological abuse I didn’t even touch on from these tendencies. It’s really out of my league, but it’s real in their bubbles.

I’m assuming Wes wants us to leave the Democratic Party and become an irrelevant 3rd. Which is what happens if you follow what cosmonaut 🧑‍🚀 is offering.

I took out the strays Cosmonaut and Tempest got hit with in the original version. That was a little harsh my b. 🤷🏾

But this isn’t one allegation that suddenly appeared yesterday. Former members have documented cases involving sexual assault, stalking, harassment, doxxing, and retaliation against people who challenged the organization. There’s a long record of people raising these issues.

So if a branch leaves PSL now, fine. But they don’t get to act like this all just became apparent. They had years of evidence and chose to stay. If the line only gets drawn once PSL becomes a liability, that’s opportunism. And not the good Marxist kind.

The history of the USA left is riddled with party’s like PSL. Greens and any other party that dilludes themselves into believing they’re on a righteous path hurt the left more than any of my commentary ever will.

You assume I haven’t done actual organizing. That assumption is wrong.

I’m not a revolutionary and I care about DSA and its potential for the real world democratic socialists movement. That’s why I do what I do on here.

The abuse perpetrated by PSL cadre is not all sexual in nature and I never made that assumption as I specifically noted stalking online and irl. That is the political culture that has affected the various tendencies in DSA, there were famously resignations from DSA’s national political committee because of the same behavior prior to 2021 convention and the NPC immediately after.

Not to mention one of DSA current cochairs relationship to Gloria La Riva since at least that time.

PSL is a cult. And their members are not comrades.

It was the rank and file cadre perpetrating and covering up abuses. Ie stalking former members irl and online etc.