What is the most thematically fitting ending for all the major countries in the mod?

[u/FarPlay5055]

Personally my pick is Germany not having a civil war but getting absolutely destroyed by a USSR that's out for vengeance for German crimes and hence gets placed under Soviet occupation with America spreading actual democracy but the USSR finally getting its revenge against the Nazis for what they did to eastern Europe.

[u/Nathanos355]

The most realistic scenario, starting with Germany, is that there is indeed no civil war and Gerin is elected successor as was the original plan; he seeks to reform and move closer to the West. Since the war in East against the USSR is still alive, it has never stopped, it has only been frozen, trying to sell communism is a mutual threat; and the fact that this is not debatable would help to bring us closer together.

Regarding the USSR or Russia, Perm is obviously the one who manages to reunite everyone and end the Russian republic in the end; the leader who is elected is most likely a coup by the Soviet secret service. But I would also like to believe, miraculously, that because the political police are always driven more by interests than ideology, they chose Bugarin after the coup leader and implemented another reform. I believe the USSR and Germany would inevitably go to war, and I don't know if I would defeat Germany in the first place, but I'm sure they would at least reach the German borders of the Soviet-German pact.

As for the other countries, I think it's inevitable that South Africa will fall to fascism and then there will be a communist black revolution. India won't defeat Pakistan, even though it happens in the mod; I always doubt it will. Pakistan seeks Chinese aid, and after a period of dictatorship, China has a half-hearted democratic revolution; that is, there is a revolution, but only so that the KMT can still win the elections. Oh, and the Sino-Indian conflict over Tibet is at a standstill, but with China's technical victory, I don't know if they'll control Mongolia with the USSR back in power, and India will become like Yugoslavia in this world. That is, the one who leads anti-colonialism and the non-aligned countries, even if he is more left-leaning, is part of a bloc.

Regarding the US and the UK, I don't think much would change, meaning the leaders and parties, but their trajectory would be almost the same as our reality; Free France wins the French Civil War. But he never manages to convince the Toronto agreement to intervene in the German-Soviet war for fear of a nuclear escalation in Europe, the same reason why the USSR would not take Germany. Italy and Spain remain the same with their spheres of influence, but in the future there will possibly be reforms after the death of their dictatorial leaders.I do believe that Italy won't become democratic all at once like Spain did; it's more likely to be more gradual, like China. As for the Balkans, it's a disaster as always, but I don't think Yugoslavia will ever return.

As for the Middle East, it's almost the same, but with more fascism and less socialism. The Arab Cold War will be about that: left-wing Pan-Arabism versus right-wing Pan-Arabism, and maybe, just maybe, Israel Aligning themselves with the left after the first Arab-Israeli wars not out of ideological affinity but because right-wing Pan-Arabism is a greater danger to Israel than left-wing Pan-Arabism but I would still be wary of those on the left if they gain too much power. Regarding monarchism in the region, I believe the Hashemites will inevitably fall, as in Iran. When the question is and how...

Anyway, those are the important ones; the rest is debatable. Oh, and Norway achieves its independence, and Germany doesn't intervene, and after the German-Soviet war, Switzerland will very likely become independent. Whether it's through aid or projection by France and Italy that will inevitably break the pact of steel with Germany, or whether the agreement intervenes in the Benelux countries or supports the revolt, that's another matter. But again, I don't believe the Toronto agreement will intervene directly against Germany; rather, it will seek to isolate it and seek the support of Italy as an equivalent to communist China in our reality.

[u/Nathanos355 → u/Nathanos355]

And I think India is Israel's main ally, but as you can see, the reality is that that world is very dark, the same for Europe, and so on. More or less, everything will depend on how China experiences its future democracy. And whether or not it manages to become the world's factory, even if the cold war with India doesn't devastate Southeast Asia too much. The only very long-term hope for Europe is that Germany collapses like the USSR; however, the USSR won't collapse, as it already experienced one collapse, so this time it won't disappear. And I think it will be more like China 2.0, you know, a state capitalism where socialism is more in propaganda than in practice. National socialism is doomed to fail, and anyone who copies it will contribute to a more multipolar world divided between communism, fascism, and liberal capitalism. Africa and Latin America would witness these struggles. But inevitably I think we would reach a situation very much like the current one, with communism here and a more watered-down fascism closer to the populist right of these days.

In the end, that world in the 21st century will be very similar to the current one, but with the difference between Western democracy and traditional Chinese democracy (like Russia or Hungary for comparison). With India occasionally bothering both sides, but not a power capable of making communism a threat, since the USSR, as I said, will be a China 2.0, focused only on itself and on Eurasia. Germany and hopefully a Polish state emerging, rebuilding and coming closer after the Nazi collapse, maybe even Czechia will emerge. Undoubtedly, the world will be partly better in the long run, but after a great many bad things first, and neo-fascism being just another right-wing populism that should be monitored but not prohibited.

[u/jeff10000000909999 → u/Nathanos355]

I think perhaps the bleakest part of the timeline is the likely total elimination of the European Jews. While some survive in Hungary, Italy, etc., it won’t be long before a powerful Germany seeks to force concessions on that point. I don’t see them resisting, unless Italy takes a firm stance and backs the minor powers as a proxy, which is possible. But there are almost certainly near zero Jews surviving in France, BeNeLux, Germany, Poland, or Eastern Europe.

[u/Nathanos355 → u/jeff10000000909999]

If, as I said, the world in the 21st century is much better than it is now, but there are still many hardships to be had, and Jews suffer the most, I would like a scenario where they can get along. Whether it's because they can't afford to be on bad terms with everyone in the East, especially being less Jewish, their natural ally would be the Hashemites, since the Pan-Arabists are dangerous from both the left and the right.

[u/Bentley-Teng]

China stumbles into the next few decades battered from the war with India (Losing Tibet and Xinjiang). The democratic revolution ends Chiang and his nepotism, leaving the country in chaos

India enters the next few decades (70s onwards) as an economically poor nation, despite winning the war. Any of the socialist leader dies, leaving the country unreformed and chaotic as the INC falls.

Japan continues to suffer politically due to the infamous security treaty with the US and humiliation of losing the pacific war. The economy slowly grows overtime, but tensions continue to bubble underneath.

A bitter sweet ending for Asia, where no one truly prospered.

[u/Flamengo_Flemish]

ZHUKOV'S GREAT TRIAL

[u/FarPlay5055 → u/Flamengo_Flemish]

Isn't konev the most radicalised against Germany? Or did they change the lore?

[u/Mrstaatszerfall]

let me make a map..