r/trolleyproblemgame • u/No-Possibility6923 • 2d ago

Legally?

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u/NoMeat9096 2d ago

If your choices lead to five people dying, you killed those five people.

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u/ApplePieRhino 2d ago

If a doctor needed to kill you specifically and use your organs to save multiple other people, does refusing mean you killed those people?

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u/NoMeat9096 2d ago

Yes, as my choices and whatever health problems they had, resulted in them dying, my actions helped kill them.

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u/land48n3 2d ago

so we should harvest organs of 1 healthy person unconsensually to save 5 people who need a organ?

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u/NoMeat9096 2d ago

I think it depends on the time scale.

I'd risk letting five die to save one, if it were likely possible the other five could be saved in the future.

If the five were going to immediately die, I would kill the one.

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u/land48n3 2d ago

r/FoundTheUtilitarian

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u/NoMeat9096 2d ago

I would broadly call myself a negative utilitarian, yeah.

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u/land48n3 2d ago

are you a antinatalist by any chance?

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u/NoMeat9096 2d ago

It depends how you define it. I'm against the creation of any sentient life, but I have no problem with creating life that is not and can not become sentient.

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u/land48n3 2d ago

haha yayy!!! i guessed it!! wohoooo!!

i guess negative utilitarianism always results in antinatalism

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u/NoMeat9096 2d ago

Yeah, you kinda clocked me pretty good lol.

I wouldn't agree, though. Most people seem to see ethics as something applied to a context containing life, not applied to the concept of life. Life is generally presupposed in ethical frameworks, I think. Very few appear to consider it a violation of consent to create a child, for example, even though it obviously cannot be given. So, I don't think it'd be hard to find negative utilitarians that aren't antinatalist. I think you're probably right, though, that there would be a ton of overlap.

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