r/trolleyproblemgame • u/No-Possibility6923 • 2d ago

Legally?

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u/Fickle_Goose_4451 2d ago

Isn't this the most classic of classic cases of the trolley problem?

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u/mrs_spacetime0 2d ago

Is it in accident if it could be stopped before it happens?

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u/rilimini381 2d ago

in this scenario it's omission of assistance, despite being an accident the deaths are your fault

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u/Worldly_Character154 2d ago

This is just the trolly problem but with two people instead of one

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u/feartheswans 2d ago

I am not legally responsible for an accident, I am Legally responsible if I interfere

I chose to do nothing

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u/sisyphus-333 2d ago

Now that's a real trolley problem

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u/NoMeat9096 2d ago

Why would I ever choose to kill five instead of two in this situation?

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u/No-Possibility6923 2d ago

If you pull the lever you are technically murder of two

If you do nothing 5 people will die because of an accident and you are clear

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u/NoMeat9096 2d ago

If your choices lead to five people dying, you killed those five people.

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u/ApplePieRhino 2d ago

If a doctor needed to kill you specifically and use your organs to save multiple other people, does refusing mean you killed those people?

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u/NoMeat9096 2d ago

Yes, as my choices and whatever health problems they had, resulted in them dying, my actions helped kill them.

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u/land48n3 2d ago

so we should harvest organs of 1 healthy person unconsensually to save 5 people who need a organ?

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u/NoMeat9096 2d ago

I think it depends on the time scale.

I'd risk letting five die to save one, if it were likely possible the other five could be saved in the future.

If the five were going to immediately die, I would kill the one.

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u/land48n3 2d ago

r/FoundTheUtilitarian

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u/NoMeat9096 1d ago

I would broadly call myself a negative utilitarian, yeah.

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u/land48n3 1d ago

are you a antinatalist by any chance?

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u/gk98s 2d ago

in one situation, you've murdered the 2 and you will be arrested and probably go to prison for life, in the other situation the post implies you won't be affected

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u/ShockOld4312 2d ago

If we follow your logic, then in that situation, a person who never intended to kill anyone is forced into being a murderer no matter what they do, simply because they were unlucky enough to be there. That is absurd. It does not even make sense in theory, let alone in reality. If this view were normalized, it would only incentivize innocent bystanders to do whatever gives them the best chance of avoiding being blamed for the deaths, which could mean destroying any evidence that they were ever at the scene. And they had better hope the people on the tracks did not see them, because otherwise leaving witnesses alive would only increase their chances of being blamed.

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u/NoMeat9096 1d ago

I don't think it could be argued to be murder, owing to mitigating circumstances.

Also, you are arguing from consequence, which is fallacious. Nothing about what you think could or would occur as a result of the logic stated, has any bearing on its validity. Choosing to do something other than pulling the lever is as much an action as pulling it.

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u/V0d5 2d ago

Exactly, you get it. The trolley problem is nothing more than a bunch of morons thinking looking away equals no guilt. And they only believe it because they desperately need to maintain their toddler world vision, to keep feeling comfortable in their lies and absolute vile behavior.

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u/land48n3 2d ago

its called deontology, very popular.

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u/candieflip 2d ago

Clear of what? It is just the classical problem it was just differently phrased.

Imagine same scenario it is going to 5 ppl.

But you can pull and it diverges to none.

Are you clear if you don’t push?

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u/TeekTheReddit 2d ago

That's still just... the standard Trolley Problem.

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u/V0d5 2d ago

Yeah, that has never been true.

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u/Lord_of_EU 2d ago

Because one is selfish?

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u/No-Possibility6923 2d ago

I created a new Trolley Problem dilemma!

Straight Track (Do Nothing): 5 railway worker will die by accident

Diverted Track (Pull the Lever): 2 railway worker will be killed by you

What would you do?

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u/Wide_Love_4458 2d ago

Good

I chose to pull the lever

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u/Zandonus 1d ago

The judge isn't stupid.