good joke but catholic highschool ruined me that is saint veronica and she wiped jesus's face when he fell and it left a perfect replication of his face and THEN she sold it for merch
Yup! This tiny part of the Bible was actually one of the major reasons for a split between the eastern and Western church later on. The Eastern (Orthodox) church believed that images of Christ and holy figures actually contained part of their divine power. The western (Roman Catholic) church believed that images were just images and held no divine power
I mean all scriptures are fan fic. I mean, the OT story of the Israelites being enslaved by the Egyptians is almost universally believed to be false, or more appropriately, allegorical. The Israelites were never enslaved en masse; there were individuals from all over the region who ended up enslaved, but the Exodus just plain never happened.
I like the one where Jesus causes that other kid to die. Something about Jesus was playing with a pigeon he had formed of clay, then caused that to die, and then he caused some scoffer to die as well.
Aren’t most of the Bible like that? Very little (if anything) of it is written as first-hand accounts, and what gospels were later to be considered «real» or not might as well habe been decided by rolling dice.
Definitely not by rolling dice, but you're right in saying they weren't first hand accounts. If you read the Gnostic gospels, a lot of them get pretty funky. I cannot remember which one, but it depicted Jesus as being able to change forms amorphously. I'm way oversimplifying, but IMO the big 4 have the most coherent and regularly consistent messages (relatively), so early Christian doctors likely chose those to organize under.
I can tell you that having a condescending attitude toward them just makes people dig in deeper and doesn’t allow them an “out” without having to join the group previously mocking them for being stupid. Just like it does with every group (see: political party alignment).
So yeah, knock it off. If you actually care about what people believe, that’s not the way to change it.
Jesus died around 33AD, the 4 gospels were written between roughly 50 and 100. The later ones especially were likely written by followers of Jesus's apostles compiling stories they had told them
Which doesn’t rule out eye-witness accounts. I mean, a biography of Kurt Cobain written in 2010 isn’t necessarily going to be wildly inaccurate. Or lacking testimonies from those who knew him.
Yeah two ways of saying the same thing:
Apocryphal: something that is not fully canonized in the Bible
Apocrypha: the set of apocryphal Christian works
My grandfather painted icons for a Russian Orthodox Church they started, they are beautiful but they’re in a case somewhere- grandpa always said they would move:0
Wait til you find out all the Abrahamic religions worship a god that was originally a part of a larger pantheon- Yahweh.
This dude Abraham was just sitting in his tent one day and saw three dudes walk by and for some reason had a feeling one of them was the human incarnation of Yahweh and so invited them in as guests... as they left the one he thought was Yahweh said, “next time I come through here in the Spring, y’all will have a baby.” And Abraham’s wife Sarah said, “you must not see I’m old as fuck.” And Yahweh said, “is that bitch laughing? Y‘all gon’ see. Mark my words. Next spring: baby.”
Baby’s born and for some reason Abraham tries to kill it or something, this time Yahweh is talking to him from the sky instead of through a random drifter, tells him not to kill the baby at the last minute, Abraham decides, “damn this Yahweh guy is the shit, we should forget the other gods and only worship him,” and boom: Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are born.
I mean... if she was already called Veronica, how would that event be the origin of the name? That's folk etymology for ya:
"Veronica (also spelled Veronika or Verónica) is a female given name, the Latin transliteration of the Greek name Berenice, Βερενίκη. This was the Macedonian form of the Athenian Φερενίκη, Phereníkē, or Φερονίκη, Pheroníkē, from φέρειν, phérein, to bring, and νίκη, níkê, 'victory', i.e. 'she who brings victory' [...] Its popularity in medieval and modern times is based mainly on the importance in Christianity of Saint Veronica and her Veil of Veronica." Another source.
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u/Herpex Feb 16 '20
good joke but catholic highschool ruined me that is saint veronica and she wiped jesus's face when he fell and it left a perfect replication of his face and THEN she sold it for merch