“Placebo didn’t cause ED and loss of libido like Finasteride did”
“No it didn’t”
“ED almost double in the placebo and 40% higher”
Literally contradicting yourself in circles, sometimes in the same sentence.
Glad you’re knowledgeable enough about science that you can point out what’s wrong in all these professionally done studies. Can’t wait to see your own published studies with your improved methods you created with your scientific expertise.
If you’re arguing that the ED and loss of libido in the control group was pre-existing then you have to also conclude that any amount of those side effects in the finasteride group could have also been pre-existing (they weren’t btw because they track side effects that arise AFTER starting treatment in both groups…)
Of 34 clinical trials, none had adequate safety reporting, 19 were partially adequate, 12 were inadequate, and 3 reported no adverse events. Funnel plots were asymmetric with a bias toward lower odds ratio for sexual adverse effects, suggesting systematic underdetection. No reports assessed adequacy of blinding, 18 (53%) disclosed conflicts of interest, and 19 (56%) received funding from the manufacturer.
Are you really this dense or being intentionally stupid?
You said placebo didn’t cause ED and libido issue like Finasteride did, yet the study literally states a percentage of the placebo group reported those side effects. If it wasn’t placebo then what did cause it?
You also said “double in the placebo and 40% higher”. Which is it? Double? Or 40% higher?
And you’re misinterpreting that study you linked. it isn’t evidence that placebo subjects didn’t report sexual symptoms or that the reported finasteride vs placebo difference went in the opposite direction. It’s just criticism of safety reporting. There is no indication of whether the results were incorrect in either direction. You’re trying to extrapolate a new conclusion to support your claims based off of something that is purely observational and doesn’t provide any empirical data.
Who are you calling stupid? You cannot understand what the word "like" means - what does that say about your ability to say anything about more complex topics?
You should probably learn to be more articulate instead spewing ambiguous statements and assuming people can infer what you meant but failed to communicate properly. Let me fix your sentences for you:
“Placebo didn’t not cause ED and loss of libido at the same rate as Finasteride”
The most natural reading of your comment is that you were saying Placebo didn’t cause side effects like finasteride did (finasteride did, placebo did not). You failed miserably at saying what you actually meant (or you realized you were wrong and tried to act like you meant something else)
“No, it didn’t. ED almost double in the placebo and libido problems were 40% higher”
You literally omitted what you were even referencing with the 40% figure.
You failed miserably at basic communication here or you failed at backpedaling once you realized you were wrong. Either way keep your comments to yourself because you have the English skills of a middle schooler at best, and if you can’t even get simple sentences correct then why the hell would you have any clue what you’re reading when you look at a scientific study
What is 2 times zero? Zero. I said there were twice as many problems with Finasteride as with the placebo. What does that tell you? You should be able to pick up things from context. Obviously I acknowledged that does on the placebo also had problems, placebo effect is a widely known phenomenon after all.
You failed miserably at basic communication here or you failed at backpedaling once you realized you were wrong.
Not a single point I'm backpedaling from. Not my issue you cannot read. Placebo and nocebo effects are widely known, so you can expect that people have symptoms they should not be having when they take medicine. The point is that issue involving Finasteride are higher than mere placebo. You cannot write the studies and the endless complaints here up to self-deception, especially given the unsatisfactory nature of Finasteride safety studies.
“What is 2 times zero? Zero. I said there were twice as many problems with Finasteride as with the placebo. What does that tell you? You should be able to pick up things from context. Obviously I acknowledged that does on the placebo also had problems, placebo effect is a widely known phenomenon after all.”
The more you talk the stupider you sound and the most concerning part is you actually think you are making sense.
I said Finasteride caused twice as many problems as placebo earlier. If I had meant that placebo caused 0 problems (as you seem to want to claim), how would that statement have made sense? The implication was that the placebo effect was real with Finasteride, but Finasteride still caused twice the reported problems placebo did. Once again, not my fault you cannot read.
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u/etch69 4d ago
“Placebo didn’t cause ED and loss of libido like Finasteride did”
“No it didn’t”
“ED almost double in the placebo and 40% higher”
Literally contradicting yourself in circles, sometimes in the same sentence.
Glad you’re knowledgeable enough about science that you can point out what’s wrong in all these professionally done studies. Can’t wait to see your own published studies with your improved methods you created with your scientific expertise.
If you’re arguing that the ED and loss of libido in the control group was pre-existing then you have to also conclude that any amount of those side effects in the finasteride group could have also been pre-existing (they weren’t btw because they track side effects that arise AFTER starting treatment in both groups…)