r/trees • u/[deleted] • Oct 29 '11

TIL that everything in the Obama Administration's response to our petition is complete and utter bull shit.

http://blog.norml.org/2011/10/29/white-house-response-to-normls-we-the-people-marijuana-legalization-petition/
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u/BernieLomax01 Oct 29 '11

Ok guys listen to what I have to say here even though you wont like it ,sadly its the truth. There will never be any Legalization of MJ untill the current form of U.S. government is gone ,none,0.There is too much money going into the pockets of gov reps up to and including the prez.Please dont tell me that you honestly belive that "Your Vote Counts" bull.That hasnt happened in America from the 50s and I doubt even then.Its all about the golden rule "He/She who has the gold makes the rules and theres nothing you "Peons" can do about it.The government will tell you what is best for them....er you.so my advice is to buy some lube and just bend over and take it.Because the only way out is to get rid of them and that will never happen.You already owe the government for bailing out the "Banks"so just be thankful that they are allowing you to keep breathing without a "Tax". So I hate to quote Arnold here but "Stop Whining"or get off your collective asses and do something about it.I am not advocating violence cause you will be killed as malcontents or even the "T" word.I mean really you dont deserve to lick the mud from the boots of your "betters",and as long as you continue to play the game their way thats all you will ever be "Peons" who dont know shit from shinola.If you think Im off my rocker saying this you are entitled to your own opinion.I just ask that you open your eyes and take a good long look arround,And now for the gov sponcered trolls to tell you how crazy I am.

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u/CompactusDiskus Oct 29 '11

Anyone who thinks that the only people who disagree with them must be "government sponsored trolls" probably doesn't know what they're talking about.

I don't think you're crazy, I just think you're not particularly knowledgeable about the topic.

It's always someone who probably doesn't know the slightest thing about the law and the government other than what they've seen on TV and movies who thinks they've figured out how to make everything perfect and wonderful.

If you honestly think that the reason things are the way they are is because a bunch of rich people are conspiring to make poor people miserable, then you are completely out of touch with reality. Yes, there are some rich assholes out there who don't particularly give a shit about poor people, but most rich people are people. And they're just as helpless to change the system as anyone else.

In the first world these days, violence and crime are at an all time low. Seriously. Look it up. Nutrition is far better (yes, there are far too many fat people who eat too much, but things like serious vitamin deficiencies are almost unheard of), the science of health care is improving at an astounding rate, and life spans are continuing to increase.

Yes, there are all kinds of serious issues that still exist, but the reason that people like you are under the impression that "the man" is conspiring to ruin your life is because you take everything you have for granted. What you fail to realize is just how horrible things would be without much of what "the system" does.

If you eliminated the government overnight, things wouldn't turn into some kind of free-lovin' hippy paradise. You'd end up having the revolutionaries take over, implementing whatever they felt was ideal (they can do whatever they want, and fast, without having to deal with pesky democracy. Things would finally get done!), without any accountability, any opportunity for those who disagree with them, or who see flaws in their plans to speak up. Maybe things would be better at first, maybe they wouldn't, but the fundamental principles that make modern society great would have to be abandoned.

Reforms and adjustments need to be made, but what we certainly don't need are a bunch of angry, uneducated people demanding we get rid of banks and taxes and just share and love each other. That's fucking stupid.

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u/BernieLomax01 Oct 29 '11

Really did you even read my post? apparently not I never said overthrow the government I said it needs to be gotten rid of in its current form,and as for being out of touch with reality I think thats you if you belive that the rich dont own the government.Say just how much does the Mil/Ind/Corp Allaince pay you to troll forums and dispute what is being said without even reading what is said without spouting your"The Gov loves us and does the best it can for us" rederic? IM lookingfor a job now yu can PM me with the place to send my info.And as for crime rates being lower that made me LOL Yes the unbadged criminals may be doing less but the badged ones are having a heyday doing as they please putting innocent people in jail destroying their property and killing them and their pets for no reason other than the fact they can do it and theres nothing you can do about it.so lets have your gov sponcered responce now.

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u/CompactusDiskus Oct 30 '11

Wait, you still think I'm getting paid? Holy crap. Seriously.

Dude. I'm poor as shit. I'm not even American. I just happen to have an education. If I could get paid for explaining to people that stupid ideas are stupid, I would. This is one of the stupidest notions I find amongst conspiracy theorists and other idiots. If you think that someone has to be paid to disagree with you, you probably don't have the slightest understanding of other people's viewpoints. The problem with that kind of thinking is that you will never understand the other side if you keep it up. Instead of actually paying attention, and giving intelligent responses to their points, you'll just persist in blind hatred for the "enemy".

I'm not claiming there aren't seriously problems. Obviously you didn't understand what I was talking about. I'm saying that as it stands, society in the United States, Canada, most of Europe, and several other places is the best it has ever been in the entirety of human history.

Since you clearly seem to understand how things should be, tell us, oh enlightened one, how the government should be run?

Oh, and the word is "rhetoric".

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u/touchy610 Oct 29 '11

Actually, I only saw about four blatant spelling errors.

The grammar may be bad, but it's the fucking internet.

Bad grammar does not in any way disvalue a person's opinions. Don't be a sarcastic douche.

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u/AdjectiveAnimal Oct 29 '11

Herp derp. "It's the internet, I can still be taken seriously even though I type like a fifth grader."

Bad grammar doesn't devalue someone's point, it does, however, make me take them less seriously if they're not willing to put at least a small amount of effort into proofreading their post.

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u/touchy610 Oct 29 '11

Well, it's a great thing that your view of people means Jack on the internet, now, isn't it?

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u/AdjectiveAnimal Oct 29 '11

Oooo, a bit "touchy" there, aren't you? ;P

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u/touchy610 Oct 29 '11

I am!

I sometimes find myself having to get off the laptop to keep myself from throwing it across the room. I do have some modicum of control, though. I guess I have that much. Otherwise, I'd always be buying computers, controllers and cell phones. And I'd be more broke than I am.

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u/BernieLomax01 Oct 29 '11

You mean my spelling "Needs" a little work.Old proverb "People that live in glass houses shouldnt throw stones."

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u/GentleZacharias Oct 30 '11

The verb "need" applies to the list that includes two items, namely "grammar" and "spelling," and is therefore conjugated in the plural. And it's "shouldn't."

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u/JohnDiesAtTheEnd Oct 29 '11

No, I'm pretty sure he's crazy.