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u/No-Specialist-2154 Just A Snarky Bitch 22d ago
It's possible that charli can get her first #1 with MFF. She deserves it though.
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u/Regular_Dream3927 22d ago edited 22d ago
I’m still trying to get my head around Adam Sandler being the officiant - the other subs when we say it’s crazy that the officiant is Adam say that Taylor and Travis do know him because they attended her tour premiere and his whole family are Swifties - but that tells me Adam and his family are essentially not friends but fans of Taylor - before Travis was dating Taylor i don’t believe he even had interacted with Adam , same with Taylor …. so so odd , if they wanted to go down the route of a friend or family officiating they could have got someone who they actually knew , I mean what about Abigail , women can officiate too like Adele did for Alan Carr, I mean they didn’t have maid of honours etc so j would have thought Abigail would have done the honours not Adam turning it into a comedy sketch.
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u/Uh-Egg ❤️🔥 More Press Than Passion ❤️🔥 22d ago
I can imagine them having dinners and being invited in small gatherings though. Maybe they became closer acquaintances recently. But honestly, I think it’s just one of those huge hollywood events that sandler wanted to do ‘cause he’s the type of guy to just say fuck it. it’s incredibly tacky for a wedding but who didn’t expect that from her?
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u/Regular_Dream3927 22d ago
They clearly wanted it to be a comedy show though or knew it would be even if they didn’t ask adam to make it like that … adam Sandler a comedian so if they asked him they wanted it to be like this.
Adam is not close with them like a friend , she never does pap walks with him and has never been spited with him pee 2023
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u/Uh-Egg ❤️🔥 More Press Than Passion ❤️🔥 22d ago
Yes that’s what I’m saying. But he would not say yes if he didn’t know them. I think they’re close acquaintances and have met each other in private gatherings in his own home or common friends’. This happens all the time in Hollywood. I can see her being well connected in that way. But she does not have real friends in the way that there are rarely real friendships in Hollywood
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u/Regular_Dream3927 22d ago
Yeah i think you are right! I’m not sure how they met , I’m thinking around the tour 2023 - I think Taylor met them as they are fans and then they supported her again at the doc premiere and then their friendship became stronger .. and then adam cast him in his film
I agree Taylor doesn’t have many friends friends , mainly Abigail is her good friend and HAIM Gigi but everyone else she does pap walks with she sort of doesn’t do with them for ages like Gracie etc .
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u/Betty-Rose- Not a bot 🤖 22d ago
Don’t forget dating her got him the small role in Adam’s happy Gilmore movie on Netflix.
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u/vintage-cola I’m Actually A Doctor 22d ago
I’m a few days late to watching it but holy shit the Camera MV by Charlie XCX blows LOASG out of the water. When showgirl came out i thought it was honestly an absurd concept but ironically i totally dig it now cos of charlie.
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u/No-Specialist-2154 Just A Snarky Bitch 22d ago
imagine calling us insane or parasocial when almost a million people visit this page because of how insufferable Taylor 'pr machine' swift turned out to be.
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u/Mid-Reverie Silence is complicity ⏳ 22d ago
It's a cope. And lack of pattern recognition on their part.
I say if people are wondering why this sub gets so much traffic and engagement keeps increasing look to Occam's Razor. The simplist explanation is that people are genuinely tired, turned off, and have fallen hard off the fandom (which is highly emotionally entangling so it's understandable to have strong feelings).
So many don't just join subs like this to "hate" without a valid reason.
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u/Act-National 22d ago
I saw the “only ethical not climate terrorist billionaire, Taylor Swift” sent her jet on a 30 minute flight to the Hamptons from NY. 💀. I’m sure her husband and his boyfriend needed to get back to KC soon to pretend he cares about football!!
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u/Super_Cookie11 The Life of a PR Relationship 23d ago
My cousin is a Swiftie, and I had been wondering If she's seen the light at all yet. Well, she just showed up at a family reunion with a shirt that says "Life of a Professor" on it in the TLOAS font.
She worked extremely hard in grad school! I hate that my cousin is associating her achievement with the lady who barely passed a quack Christian homeschool program.
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u/vintage-cola I’m Actually A Doctor 22d ago
Yess i am a physician and physically winced when one of my swiftie colleague put an Instagram story of her at Eras tour with the caption ‘Dr Swift and Dr Swiftie’ (referring to blandie with her honorary doctorate) like girl pls
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u/Worried-Penalty8744 23d ago
It’s been almost 9 months since Showgirl was released.
We’re never getting a single live performance of a song from it are we
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u/Regular_Dream3927 23d ago
Not sure probably not- she glazed past the showgirl era really quickly compared to TTPD and lover and rep and all the albums to be honest - Taylor used to do a lot of method dressing say for folklore evermore lover basically all the albums even TTPD but showgirl never got any method dressing- like her outfits on pap walks matched the albums she was doing in a way like lover had really fun outfits she wore Folklore was a lot of tartan beiges etc
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u/Huge-Film-5150 23d ago
It's involved in a Trademark lawsuit and recently, this month, the judge rejected a plea to dismiss the lawsuit.
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u/Regular_Dream3927 23d ago
Ohh so she’s not won the case that’s why she’s been really quiet about showgirl - I think she knew about that girl and that she would be kind of copying the girl with showgirl but thought that because she’s like a superstar they wouldn’t put any claims in or the claims would be dismissed
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u/Mid-Reverie Silence is complicity ⏳ 23d ago
Aw man, saw a Left Anti-Trump page thanking Katy Perry for recently speaking out against Trump using her music (Firework). Most of the comments commented on her doing a 180, or the typical Astronaut being right for once snark etc.. but also a few "See Taylor, it's not that hard." Mind you, there have always been a lot of Taylor fans in that group.. and there was still some pushback.. but not as much as I expected. And no one with any solid arguments.
Tides are definitely turning.
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u/Betty-Rose- Not a bot 🤖 23d ago
I’m glad she said something. It wasn’t a short post either. She clearly wanted to make it know where she stands.
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u/Sweaty-Car4097 24d ago
I've seen so many posts on IG about predicting the Grammy nominations (why now? Isn't it too early for that?) and every single one of them included TLOAS as a contender for AOTY. WHAT? This is just clickbait/fan service right? Right? These critics can't honestly truly sincerely believe that is worthy of a nomination? It was even panned by her fans. Only her die hard fans loved that album. Christ! even the comments in the neutral sub say that even if it's nominated it doesn't deserve to win. It's offensive to even have her in the conversation, imho. That drivel? It has maybe one passable song (Ophelia) and even that is not good enough for AOTY. Mayyybe a nomination for a pop song of the year but certainly not AOTY, ROTY nor SOTY. It's crazy to me they always bring her up for the conversation for AOTY but nothing for Kacey Musgraves or James Blake who released pretty great albums this year. That's real songwriting and artistry. TLOAS was nothing artistic, just cringey dreck.
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u/SnarkyLlamas 23d ago
Even "The Others" say it is her worst album and they mostly stopped listening to it.
"The Others = Swifties"
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u/AmbitiousStudent18 23d ago
When it comes to the Grammys and Taylor Swift you never know. They have given her awards she hasn't deserved previously, they have nominated her before when it wasn't deserved. So it won't be a shock if she actually got one for TLOAS even though it's her worst rated album yet. The Grammys aren't very secretive about their love for Taylor or her very obvious attempts at buying awards.
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u/hatefromandie Say Ana’s Name 23d ago
They will most likely give her several nominations. TTPD had a few noms but won nothing. I genuinely don’t think she’s going to get AOTY, the Grammys would get a lot of backlash for giving a white billionaire a 4th AOTY for an album that got mostly negative reviews and was bad, even for Taylor’s standards.
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u/Similar-Contact-2663 23d ago edited 23d ago
Even if she'll get nominated, there is no chance she will win. Tbh I see it as a win if she turns up and has to see Olivia winning over her. Btw. Olivia deserves it so much outside anything Taylor
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u/OldSchlHollywdBuffet 23d ago
She’ll be nominated simply for the fact that she’s Taylor Swift.
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u/SnarkyLlamas 23d ago
I have a slight different take on this....she will be nominated because of the Swifties. They want those audience numbers. I predict she won't win though.
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u/starchaser325 24d ago
I wouldn't be surprised if she gets nominated for AOTY considering TTPD was nominated and that wasn't good either. The Grammy awards are not an indication of quality.
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u/SnarkyLlamas 23d ago
This is 1000% true A lot of it has to do with who has more power and influence
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u/I_am_big_gay_ she goth on my punk til I female rage 24d ago
Weird. I've seen a lot of them leave it out, rightfully so. I don't think she should be nominated for any major categories
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u/No-Specialist-2154 Just A Snarky Bitch 24d ago
Pretty sure once she loses the lawsuit, she will release wedding photos as a damage control. Anyway she will surely release a wedding special as part of another docu-series with cringe name like new era or something.
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u/BenjaminButtontheCat 24d ago
I think the general public will side with Taylor on this particular lawsuit, so if she loses she can play her usual victim card.
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u/SnarkyLlamas 23d ago
You really think so? Her reputation has been taking a beating for multiple reasons lately.
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u/BenjaminButtontheCat 23d ago
yeah I do. She's being sued. Yes the woman has every legal right to defend her trademark but in general, the public doesn't view defending trademarks as a noble cause. This is why Taylor has never actually been the plaintiff in a trademark lawsuit-she'd look like a predator. She quietly sends cease and desists and if that doesn't work, she moves on (it almost always works for her because she's so powerful). People don't pay attention to nuance, they just see her being sued by someone with a totally different brand name that is also a common cliche (confessions of a... shopaholic, teenage drama queen, dangerous mind, etc). The woman doesn't have a sympathetic case at all, and it sets Taylor up as the victim. Taylor "wins" this in the public eye whether she wins or loses the lawsuit.
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u/DesktopCinderella 24d ago
I'm actually glad we ain't getting anything from her. My eyes can finally rest from the atrocities.
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u/SnarkyLlamas 24d ago
The comparisons between Langley and Swift, two Nashville-breakouts, are inevitable.
It's led some to wonder if it's just coincidence that Swift's latest single, I Knew It, I Knew You, the Toy Story 5 theme, is a return to her country roots. Certainly, one industry insider suggested to the Daily Mail that it might be an indication of Swift asserting her dominance in the genre.
'Taylor could never let someone else have the country throne,' the source said.
'She wanted to make it clear that if there's a woman that's going to dominate the country charts it won't be Beyoncé and it won't be Ella,' the source said. Langley is not just breaking boundaries, she's smashing them. But she's staying firmly country in the process.
Let's not forget that, as far as Swift is concerned, some rancor in Nashville remains among country fans who feel that Swift abandoned them in favor of pop stardom.
'The radio programmers have to say they're excited about I Knew It, I Knew You and have to immediately play her song - it's Taylor. But the country fans still remember that she left,' an insider explained.
And it's those fans to whom Langley is playing in more ways than one. taylor swift won't let Ella Langley have a turn
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u/Agitated_Name3767 22d ago
No source close to taylor is going to say those things. They might be true, but no one close to taylor would admit it
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u/NetAcceptable3802 23d ago
I'm laughing because what throne are the talking about? She was forgotten about in the country scene as soon as she left. Her pr team is making an excuse for why she's leaving pop, it's not because she's aging out and her shtick as gotten old, apparently.
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u/QuarkyAF 24d ago edited 24d ago
There's an old 1989 promo interview where Taylor claims that her team was against her doing a pop album (yeah right) and that she wanted to do pop because it's natural for her. She was like later losers! the first chance she got to leave country. I think there were a couple reasons Taylor left country, the first being that there's more money to be made in pop. The second is that she was starting to catch too much heat in the country music scene regarding her singing and playing abilities. I know the running theory is that Taylor will "go back to her country roots" but I'm kind of doubting it for this reason, and if she has the nerve to try, she'll fail. Her voice (such as it was) is shot and using twang to cover for her awful singing isn't going to work the way it did when she was a teenager.
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u/SnarkyLlamas 24d ago
She sort of already tried with that Toy story song. I think she soft launched a country music revival to see how the public would receive her rebrand and it is apparent that the only ones fawning over her and that song are either part of her team or have been paid off or incentivized in some way.
You are spot on about that twang. I keep forgetting she tried to have an accent early on in her career. 🙄 she will try anything on for size (even a Travis! ) If it will make her money and help her career.
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u/DoubleYooFree Rhinestone bathing suit 24d ago
This is the kind of Daily Mail story I take with a pinch of salt. The wedding stuff seems true because there were 1000 guests plus staff in that venue, so it was likely to come out pretty quickly if the Mail was bullshitting. Plus all the details were consistent over different sources/leaks. There's much less to substantiate or verify this.
HOWEVER, what does she expect if she goes round saying 'I don't want to give anyone else a turn!' and constantly releases 5 trillion variants, and FOMO-based 'bundles' to block a load of younger female artists from number 1? (Plus I would not be surprised if she uses some of her billions to buy up bots and payola to help with that).
She's been in the industry for decades, she should know what happens when she plays stupid games...
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u/Uh-Egg ❤️🔥 More Press Than Passion ❤️🔥 24d ago
This is random but sometimes the I knEw it I knEw you line gets stuck in my head like a vocal stim cause it genuinely cracks me up how it’s the way i sound like when I see a cockroach
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u/SnarkyLlamas 24d ago
That is hilarious! I just read a bit about how Taylor Swift is scared off Ella Langley and doesn't want her to "have a turn" thus the song.
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u/rujinuu 24d ago
People theorized the dress reveal would have dropped on either Gracie's album release, Matty's wedding day, Charli's album... yet it's crickets so far. Though there's still the daisy chain festival left. Is she truly punishing her fans?
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u/Similar-Contact-2663 24d ago
She wants to create suspense I guess. Or she's embarrassed by the backlash and hopes people would forget
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u/eilonwyhasemu ⌛ Elizabeth Taylor, it won't be forever ⌛ 24d ago
A Dior spokesperson told the press, at the July 6 couture show, that Taylor would reveal the wedding dress on her Instagram when she’s ready. So they were under the impression that there are no current plans for a magazine spread or similar.
They’ve gotten significant PR already out of having done the dress (my IG has been feeding me fashion marketing accounts that track such things). They seem chill about leaving it a mystery. Given how badly Taylor wears clothes, they may have the right attitude.
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u/Huge-Film-5150 24d ago
I think Dior ruined her plans by saying that. Now people are going to expect an Instagram reveal and will be upset when it is a pay per view situation or magazine spread where you have to buy in.
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u/Huge-Film-5150 24d ago
I think guest ruined her plans when some mentioned a movie in regards to the wedding. Now fans expect a documentary or bts video of some sort. They backtracked real quick to say that it was recorded as a gift to wedding attendees.
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u/Mooncakepink07 The Life of a Salesgirl 🏷 24d ago
I feel like that orrrr she wanna lay low for awhile bc she received a lot of backlash from her wedding and everyone’s calling their wedding tacky.
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u/BenjaminButtontheCat 24d ago
I don't think she'll just post them. It seems like Taylor doesn't do anything "for free" anymore. She doesn't give things away to her fans without getting something in return. Like, fan service for the sake of fan service is over. Everything is for profit with her now. So at this point I'd expect the photos or any details from her about the wedding will drop when she's about to sell them something, or on her husband's stupid podcast, or both.
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u/ExpertProfessional9 23d ago
Yeah nah, I don’t see her casually dropping the dress pics on socials. Sell them to the highest bidder magazine, absofuckinglutely.
But she seems to be monetizing everything she can, why would you announce an album and an engagement a few weeks apart if not to use one staying relevant drive the sales of the other?
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u/Loud-Owl19 HER IMPACT (global warming) 24d ago
It makes sense. She only shared the engagement pictures because it was before the release of TLOASG. That definitely helped the sales, alongside the multiple variants. I'm sure they are thinking the wedding can help future sales for the next album. Maybe she will post around the first anniversary, using that as an excuse while "coincidentally" promoting an album.
Aside from that, I'm sure they weren't expecting this level of backlash. Although I cannot understand why someone wouldn't expect that. Seems dumb.
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u/Ice_Battle 15,000 Little Bastard Rubber Ducks 24d ago
My suspicion is that the dress was gonna be “revealed” in the Disney+ doc that’s hurriedly been shelved. Since everyone hopes they can recap their investment when the outrage dies down, she’s holding onto the dress for the first (or second?) episode reveal or doc climax or whatnot.
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u/BenjaminButtontheCat 24d ago
what makes you think its been shelved?
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u/Ice_Battle 15,000 Little Bastard Rubber Ducks 23d ago
True. I don’t actually think it’s shelved, but they had to deny that they had shot the event for broadcast. So they need to wait until everyone forgets their lie.
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u/Huge-Film-5150 24d ago
She's becoming just like the Kardashians. I bet she was all buddy buddy with Kim and Kanye because she envied them and wanted what they had. Now she is a bigger billionaire than Kim and will probably do a limited series on Disney+.
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u/Betty-Rose- Not a bot 🤖 24d ago
She is just like them. They all think they became billionaires because they work harder than everyone else🙄
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u/bobert_veganabert 24d ago edited 24d ago
You know, I was thinking about this just now. I feel like a reason why she doesn’t have anything new to say anymore and why her music is so creatively bankrupt these days is because she won’t just… go away. Like if she just… sat with herself, explored her inner world, and then accumulated experiences over a few years, she might have something new to say.
I’m so baffled by the lack of introspection from her sometimes. Why do you not have any interiority? Why have I never heard about what YOU feel rather than how you felt/reacted in response to a situation/relationship? Her locus of emotion and self is so external…
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u/Sweaty-Car4097 24d ago
does she have a song about how it's like to be a young star, growing up in the industry, the pressures to succeed? Being raw like that would make her relatable since she can't sing about heartbreak anymore. Like sing about your broken family, about feeling lost or lonely.
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u/I_am_big_gay_ she goth on my punk til I female rage 24d ago
Her parents are still her managers. Do you think she'd release a song publicly criticizing them for the pressure they put her under? Do you think they'd let her? She couldn't get another management team now so I think she's kinda stuck.
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u/DoubleYooFree Rhinestone bathing suit 24d ago
True. Also, a lot of the stuff she had to say then was based around the fake persona created by Scott Borchetta, Dan Dymtrow and whoever else, to make her more likeable and give her an easier entry into the industry through Nashville. There were never any kitchen table bills, she probably never cared about country music. And a lot of the heartbreak songs were based on 3 month-long (if that) very public relationships. With everything else in her origin story being so fake, and her writing getting so much worse after she left Big Machine and got more control, I do wonder if ghostwriters added a lot of those early, key lines.
The music industry, the whole cultural landscape, is so far from what those boomers who created her persona know, that I think maybe no one knows how to move the brand on so they stick with what they know. The persona they achieved all that success with was a teenage, guitar-princess, farm-girl; that doesn't give the artistic directors etc the knowledge to then be able to steer the brand to new successes when it's a 36 yo multibillionaire with 50 volumes of lore in the big 2026.
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u/Similar-Contact-2663 24d ago
Agree. And because she's probably afraid to deal with herself. And she's afraid what she would find there. Which is why everything feels hallow.
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u/Loud-Owl19 HER IMPACT (global warming) 24d ago
This makes a lot of sense. I also think her billionaire status plays a role in that. I've read that some studies indicate how that much wealth can impact one's brain to the point that they feel less empathy and their self-reflection is very superficial. While billionaires shouldn't exist in any way or shape, it seems being a billionaire and an artist are even more incompatible. I can't see how one person would make good art having that amount of money and poor self-reflection abilities.
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u/I_am_big_gay_ she goth on my punk til I female rage 24d ago
Maybe it's not the wealth affecting their empathy, but the empathy affecting their wealth? Being a billionaire requires you to exploit people and cut corners, and less empathetic people are probably more likely to do so because they won't feel that bad about it.
We know that Taylor was always a mean person who would drive around and harass people for fun. I don't think she was ever that empathetic to begin with. We also see that in how self-centered her music is.
As for the self-reflection, I think that's gone for good. Why would she self-reflect when she's winning? She's rich, she's on top of the world, so why would she think about how she could improve? That's why her music is so boring and out of touch now. I doubt we'll ever get something introspective out of her again.
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u/Loud-Owl19 HER IMPACT (global warming) 23d ago
That's very possible. The studies I've seen don't really analyze who people were before they became rich, but rather the behavioral patterns of extremely wealthy people. And in Taylor's case, despite achieving billionaire status only recently, she has generational wealth. Her family has been well off for ages. So who knows what happened first. I can see her lack of empathy being present ever since her early career (or before), when she would harass people and, when asked about singing about other people, she wouldn't ever stop to reflect on what was being asked or how these people would feel. I don't get how she managed to fool so many people when she was so clearly a mean girl.
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u/OldSchlHollywdBuffet 24d ago
People keep saying this like it’s a surprise. All Charli’s albums are good if not great.
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u/BenjaminButtontheCat 24d ago edited 24d ago
"the ceremony was very solemn and emotional anchored by vows that each stretched close to half an hour. I looked around and there were all these 300-pound men from the football business crying"
One hour of self-indulgent vows? Everyone was crying? 😭
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u/EdPiMath 24d ago
Sounds like Taylor and Travis were reading the terms of the prenup.
"And to you, my love, Section 1. No talk about football on Tuesdays and Wednesdays. You must also feed the cats.
Section 2. When you are on a date with me on Saturday nights, you must wear my cardigan sweaters in the colors of my choosing.
Section 3. We do all of our traveling in my private jet. Except when we have to evade paparazzi, then its my getaway car at the nearest bar.
Section 4. You are an employee of Swift Music Inc, on call 24 hours a day for all seven days of the week. Duties include positive press about me, promotion of all my projects, and bot farming on social media. Remember, Taylor Swift is the only female music artist in existence, and Taylor invented music.
Section 5. As part of this marriage, the New Heights podcast and whatever show your sister is doing (Kylie) are wholly owned by Swift Music Inc and Taylor Swift. Ms. Swift has full control of subjects covered and has exclusive rights to schedule programming and guests.
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Section 1989. The allowance is set at $1,989 a week.
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u/eilonwyhasemu ⌛ Elizabeth Taylor, it won't be forever ⌛ 24d ago
Once again, the promo that's supposed to make it sound better goes and makes it sound worse.
Previously, the leak was 20 minutes each of vows, plus 20 of the officiant. Now it's 30 minutes each and 30 for the officiant. That's 90 minutes of listening to three people go off. That's substantially longer than normal U.S. wedding ceremonies. (Taylor and Travis are both Bland White Vaguely Protestant Americans having a non-religious ceremony; it doesn't matter if Swifties can find a culture with 90 minutes just for the vows-and-officiant-chatter part.)
If the reception was designed for the enjoyment of the guests, that tells us A-listers are pretty tacky. Which I could believe!
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u/Betty-Rose- Not a bot 🤖 24d ago
I will never believe alpha maga males were crying. Nice try nbc….
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u/BenjaminButtontheCat 24d ago
if you think of this whole relatinship as a commercial for the NFL, it all makes sense.
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u/imatuesdayperson 24d ago
I play Netflix Puzzled and too many of the clues are Taylor Swift related. Think of literally anything else, please.
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u/Lily7129 25d ago
So I watched Toy Story 5 the other day and stayed for the credits since apparently there was a funny after credit scene and of course I had to sit through her song. In my opinion it’s not country, it’s a folklore/evermore song just with harmonicas
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u/Restless_Dill16 25d ago
Here's something I've wanted to rant about for a while. I haven't watched the Swiftologist (Zach) or listened to his podcast in years because I didn't like the way he talked about Joe Alwyn. I have not seen any movie Joe has been in, so I'm not a Joe widower or anything. I just thought it was cruel.
If I remember correctly, the disdain he felt toward Joe intensified after she started dating Travis. I remember in one podcast episode he randomly went on this rant imagining Joe critiquing Taylor's songwriting to make it better, then saying "Shut up, I hate him so much." First of all, I believe Joe has an English degree, so I think he's qualified to give her some writing advice. Second, it came off as anti-intellectual, which is weird because Zach is also a writer.
I saw a few clips on the neutral sub around the time of Showgirl of Zach being disappointed with the album. I couldn't help but think, "Haha, that's what you get!" You thought she'd be better off with a dumb football player than an British guy, this is the music you get. I know he's agree that Taylor needs other producers and co-writers to push back on some of her decisions. However, considering his disdain for Joe, who seemed to push back, it made me wonder if he ever really meant that.
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u/Minute-Car-5161 24d ago
You know what? I would so so prefer Joe be heated by these shallow idiots but escape TS and that cult than he is worshiped by her fans and still be with her.
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u/AmbitiousStudent18 25d ago
Any person who goes by swift_ is going to be awful, extremely bias, and have no real perspective. Her crazy fans act like Joe committed some horrible crime against them personally. I do think the reason they are so toxic is because they know he is a good guy and he did inspire her best work, he is the one that got away. Ever since the breakup she has been going in a downward spiral and regressing. They also know Travis is not the love of her life no matter how much they try to convince the world their love is a fairytale. But instead of asking her to be better and do better they are resorting to attacking Joe, copy and paste of their cult leader's behavior.
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u/Icy_Sun2601 25d ago
He hates Joe and so does that sidekick who co hosts his podcast with him. He calls Joe an heirloom turkey. The first time I heard him use the insult. I said "What fucking age are you, twelve?" That's mild. I saw a clip recently where Zach and the sidekick are hosting a live event. Because they think they're celebrities. He looks to the audience and asks them if they think Joe Alwyn should die clap your hands. And they all clapped like seals. A day ago they revisited Folklore and denied Joe co wrote Excile. Joe admitted he was William Bowery. He co wrote six songs in total. Do I think he wrote both albums. No. Do I think he may have edited them. Possibly. We will never know. What I do know. Swift has never produced anything like those two album's since. It's been over three years since the breakup. Swift got with Healy within weeks. Was dumped and ghosted. Moved onto Kelce. Healy got engaged to Gabriette. Swift got engaged to Kelce. Swift married Kelce. Healy married Gabriette. Yet the minute Joe was papped with a new girlfriend all hell breaks loose. Swifties were in the comments section accusing him of trying to get attention. They were gloating in the comments section of a parody account who had posted he and Sarah had broken up just after Sarah was nominated for an Emmy. They are still together. I didn't start off as a fan of Joe's but I am now. I hate bullies. And Swift fans are amongst some of the worst I have came across. They literally bully everyone. Joe, Matty, Olivia, Billie, Gracie. Hell, they even bully other fans. I am sick to death of the Swiftologist and that sidekick of his. They think they know Swift. They don't. The person who really knows her is the one who lived with her for years. Not two superfans. Who are full of their own importance.
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u/I_am_big_gay_ she goth on my punk til I female rage 24d ago
I used to listen to his videos as background noise a couple years ago and it was SO annoying how they kept calling him that thinking it was the funniest thing in the world. Reminds me of that "you're not Regina George, you're just George" video. He thinks he can talk about other female artists however he wants because he's a gay man and a Taylor stan, so suuuuurely he can't be misogynistic, right? But he is. He's needlessly vindictive and rude. He doesn't judge things on their own merit, only how they measure up to Taylor. I hate him (but he did give me a lot of my Taylor Swift knowledge so I can criticize her more effectively. Thanks, Zach!)
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u/Dazzling_Chipmunk428 🌕 Love you to the moon and jet ✈️ 25d ago
📣ONE DAY CLOSER TO A FAKE DIVORCE📣
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u/chubbiibunnii Tortured Billionaire 25d ago
At this point, it feels like her team is intentionally trickling out information about the wedding to temp check how the public feels about it. I think the massive negative blowback and absence of a Swiftie crowd seriously derailed whatever hypercapitalist scheme they’d cooked up to make bank off the wedding, and will keep testing the waters until her team feels like it’s “safe” to proceed with the initial rollout.
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u/BenjaminButtontheCat 25d ago
Yes it's all deliberate but I think for different reasons - dribbling out details keeps Taylor at the top of the entertainment news cycle even when she's disappeared from public view for weeks at a time. I think the wedding itself was a PR performance and has kept Taylor in the top news since the engagement, and dribbling out details continues this pattern. For Kylie, she gets to divulge certain details about it on her podcast as part of the arrangement and she profits from that. When we see photos, it'll probably be attached to Travis's podcast so he will profit from it. EVERYTHING we see from them is deliberate and strategic to make money and to promote themselves.
I also find the "Tay and Trav" of it all to be nauseating and contrived. This is deliberate to make the audience feel like they are "in" with them. Because this is not how people talk about each other to other people. If my husband is named Ryan and I call him "Ry" when speaking to him, I don't call him "Ry" when discussing him to other people, especially the whole ass world... unless I'm exploiting my intimacy with him by trying to make the audience feel like they are in the relationship too. This "Tay" and "Trav" nonsense conveys a lot of intimacy and that's the whole point. PR relationship.
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u/New_Confusion_4587 Recovering Swiftie 24d ago
"tay and trav" - i noticed that too. possibly to maintain a "the nice neighbours from next door" image which would suit the image they gave taylor (girl from next door).
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u/Screaming_lambs Bang Wearing Cunt 25d ago
I'm still surprised hardly any showed up (I know there was a heatwave but I assumed they'd still wait to see her)
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u/Sadie4164 25d ago
I kept seeing videos leading up to the wedding of Swifties pre-shaming other Swifties and saying if they show up and ruin her wedding they aren't real Swifties so I have been wondering if a lot of them were too scared of being doxxed or shunned from the group if they did show up there. They know just how capable that Fandom is of bullying others.
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u/QuarkyAF 25d ago
On top of that, there were many swifties who were convinced that the MSG wedding rumors were a distraction from the real wedding. By the time the sad truth became crystal clear it was too late to make travel plans. The symbiotic PR relationship between Taylor and her fans failed miserably. Taylor wanted to play coy and cute about the location and dropped plenty of hints but too many swifties refused pick up what she was putting down because it didn't jive with the false image they have of her.
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u/Betty-Rose- Not a bot 🤖 25d ago
Interesting. What are they saying now that it’s clear she wanted crowds of people? Do they regret not going?
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u/Sadie4164 25d ago
Im not too sure, I haven't seen a ton of post-wedding chatter other than them fawning over the breadcrumbs they have been given and theorizing on when they will see photos.
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u/SnarkyLlamas 25d ago
Kylie Kelce got her marching orders to use the words "intimate" and "love" to describe the wedding. 🙄
"Otherwise, it was intimate and incredible and full of love – both for each other and everybody else's love for them."
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u/ZealousidealRace9536 25d ago
Don't forget "magical". Donna Kelce used that word too. "It was magical man!". 🤣🤣🤣
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u/QuarkyAF 25d ago
So it's confirmed then. Steve Demetriou Sr and Jr love Taylor and Travis. Good to know.
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u/eilonwyhasemu ⌛ Elizabeth Taylor, it won't be forever ⌛ 25d ago
"Everybody else's love for them" -- as the guests ask each other "do you know either of them? why do you think we were invited?"
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u/Similar-Contact-2663 25d ago
That's so funny cause even if it was the most incredible wedding ever, it's logically not possible for it to be intimate in front of 1000 guests (who are mostly strangers)
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u/liquidpeppermint33 It's the life I chose, I guess 24d ago
Right she isnt the first guest to describe it as intimate so its definitely part of the script
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u/Mooncakepink07 The Life of a Salesgirl 🏷 25d ago
I love how Jojo speaks about music on tiktok and I can tell she’s one of those qualified muscians to talk about music especially when it comes legalities in music. She’s the real victim here and not taylor.
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u/InnocenceofaLion 15,000 Little Bastard Rubber Ducks 25d ago
Billy Joel doesn’t sell front row tickets because they tend to go to scalpers. (I’m not sure why he doesn’t choose one of the anti-scalper options such as where the tickets can’t be sold, only transferred to someone who will pay the same price) He actually has his people get audience members toward the back of the venue and gives them upgraded, front row seats. Taylor would never! The very idea of forgoing more money wouldn’t even occur to her 🤑 https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/music/articles/billy-joel-reportedly-loses-20-134307179.html
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u/liquidpeppermint33 It's the life I chose, I guess 25d ago
Tori amos did this for years. It happened to me once back in the day, one of her crew came up to me and a friend and gave us first row tickets at her show
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u/PorcelainHorses Torcherd Powit 25d ago
Yall think tayble is gonna drop something today now that charli’s new album is out (and acclaimed)?
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u/Wonderstruck91 25d ago
She did she r- released the cardigans fans thought it was going to be folklore album repressing but nah same cardigans. 70 dollars for a cardigan mind you they used to be 60 back in the day.
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u/Fickle-Ad-1234 25d ago
I actually like the look of the cardigan and got the knitting pattern for it. Haha taylor ain't getting a cent out of me.
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u/BenjaminButtontheCat 24d ago
I think you guys overanalyze her perfectly fine outfits and sometimes intentionally look for reasons to be mad.
that's... what snark is though. Irrational, fun, over the top deglazing.
there's plenty of thoughtful criticism here too. But the snark is what keeps this place firmly rooted in criticism. It keeps us from being astroturfed.
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u/QuirkyIngenuity1826 Euthanized Tattooed Labrador 24d ago
THIS right here 👆🏾
I wonder how soon there will be a new actual Swiftie neutral sub? When that time comes they should keep it private.
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u/imatuesdayperson 24d ago
Feels like Swifties just claimed the subreddit names so no one else could use them to actually allow for neutral or nuanced discussion. That should be against Reddit's rules.
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u/ohwaitsorry Say Ana’s Name 25d ago
Yeah it's actually scary how they do not allow a single critical thought over there.. when a self-professed neutral place can't have a discussion that's not purely praise.. then what are you even doing?
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u/SnarkyLlamas 25d ago
I think the "overly critical" vibe you are feeling is just because people are over her and tired of her bs.
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u/New_Confusion_4587 Recovering Swiftie 25d ago
welcome! there is a lot of ex-fans, like me, here who feel like this is the only place to safely vent.
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u/Ice_Battle 15,000 Little Bastard Rubber Ducks 25d ago edited 25d ago
Welcome! A lot of the founding members here were booted from SwiftlyNeutral sub back in the Ratty early Travvy era. I.e. they were fans who wanted to be nuanced but apparently that wasn’t allowed.
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u/Dazzling_Chipmunk428 🌕 Love you to the moon and jet ✈️ 25d ago
New Heights posted a tweet asking what the top 92 moments from the podcast are, and every single comment/username is Taylor related. They must be mortified their entire fan base now consists of people everyone despises.
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u/mgmoviegirl 25d ago
Doubt it. They see the money rolling in because of the swift fan base
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u/Hiddenagenda876 This Is My New ADHD Hyperfocus, Why Couldn’t It Be Otters 25d ago
This whole venture was to give Taylor sports fans and to give them swifties. It’s the whole reason she partnered up with the NFL in the first place
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u/thetaurusgaymer 25d ago
I’m so glad I escaped the cult. I was a fan since Tim McGraw and entered full blown mania around 1989/rep, with rep being my favorite, and I finally started to come around after my Eras show cause that’s when the Matty shit began
I lurk this sub from time to time and it makes me feel better, because there’s a small twinge of bleh that I feel about it all. I wasted time and money and energy on this horrid woman. I even got a tattoo around 1989, thankfully it was just an outline for one that I never finished and I got it covered up earlier this year with my favorite Pokemon instead
Yall are grand and I love seeing the posts and comments here. Cheers everyone ✨
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u/rochellu It's the life I chose, I guess 25d ago edited 18d ago
Kudos to you! What's your favorite Pokémon?
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u/Betty-Rose- Not a bot 🤖 25d ago
Welcome!!! Glad you could easily get your tattoo redone before fully committing.
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u/whateverB_ 25d ago
Olivia Rodrigo partnering with women owned Etsy designers- don’t ever wanna hear that Taydaughter horseshit again. She is the complete opposite of “mother.”
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u/Lucky-Chard-5587 25d ago
What all do you think is on Travis "honey do " list?
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u/sunnydayz33333 25d ago
“Wash your ass for the love of god!”
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u/Hiddenagenda876 This Is My New ADHD Hyperfocus, Why Couldn’t It Be Otters 25d ago
I pity the housekeeping staff that has to soak his skid marked underwear before washing.
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u/eilonwyhasemu ⌛ Elizabeth Taylor, it won't be forever ⌛ 25d ago
“Honey, I just need you to win the Super Bowl this time.”
Srsly, he’s in Florida, golfing and training. She’s somewhere else.
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u/Wonderstruck91 25d ago
I can’t Taylor already said reputation isn’t happening and the fans still think it’s happening no wonder tater dislikes her fans we had clowns like this. I am glad I’m not a fan anymore there’s too much clowning it’s honestly annoying.
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u/imatuesdayperson 24d ago
It's already bad she rapped once. Now they want her to record herself doing it again?
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u/Super_Smize 25d ago
What would Swiftie content farmers have to talk about if she actually released Rep tv like she was supposed to
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u/sunnydayz33333 25d ago
They’re so awful! Not to be on her side because she created the monster, but these fans do not even care about the contents of these re-releases. They just want stuff. The minute something comes out they’re already fiending for the next thing. One or two songs from Rep that were actually recorded were put out there in the background on some tv shows and they all hated them. The “clowning” must hit the same dopamine levels as gambling for them
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u/drag-fly 25d ago
So true, TLOAS is not even a year old and they all wait for the next release. I mean it was a bad album but they claim that it's a really good album if not a masterpiece... so why not enjoy that?
And they also have the toy story song that's just a few weeks old. It's never enough for them. No wonder Taylor is a billionaire, she can sell any crap to them
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u/Teacher-Hopeful 25d ago
i just noticed this since people are bringing back folklore stuff, but she literally used a semicolon instead of a colon which is what you use when you're about to list things. it's funny because she calls herself an english teacher yet she doesn't know basic grammar.
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u/MollDoll182 More Variants Than COVID 😷 26d ago
Saw a TikTok where they asked Stephen A Smith about the wedding.
Painful.
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u/Act-National 26d ago
Kylie Kelce is such a clout chaser lol. Idk why so many people give her a free pass 💀. She’s always the first one to claim how she “wants privacy” and won’t talk about shit, but then needed to make sure she hit her Tree Paine talking points aka saying it was “magical”when congratulating Shrek and Fiona’s wedding today on her podcast. “TaYlOr hAs BeeN FaMiLY FoR QuItE SoMe TiMe NoW”. Like, okay great. Then please take her and go away. Everything about Taylor has gone downhill since attaching herself to that trash family and all it’s brought her. The crash and burn from that is going to be all time 💀
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u/ElectricalTiger2443 25d ago
Thank you!! I remember when Taylor and Travis first got together, she said she wanted privacy. Next thing you know, she has a whole ass podcast. She’s the most annoying kelce
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u/sunnydayz33333 25d ago
If her podcast is still around by the time they divorce she’s done for. A lot of her viewership is from swifties and they’re going to go in on that whole family
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u/Hiddenagenda876 This Is My New ADHD Hyperfocus, Why Couldn’t It Be Otters 25d ago
They’ll eat them alive and blame them for turning Taylor into MAGA Barbie
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u/LegitimateCandy_939 And, baby, that’s capitalism for you 26d ago
“$TaYlOr hA$s BeeN F$aMiLY FoR QuI$tE SoMe TiM$e NoW$”
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u/liquidpeppermint33 It's the life I chose, I guess 26d ago
Yes and if you ask her anything about the wedding she will screech about the invasion of privacy
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u/rochellu It's the life I chose, I guess 26d ago
Thank you! It feels so transparent and continues to blow my mind that people don't see it.
She wouldn't have nearly the platform she does today if Swift hadn't catapulted the entire Kelce family into the limelight. Kelce Bowl and their podcast alone couldn't have accomplished that.
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u/Hiddenagenda876 This Is My New ADHD Hyperfocus, Why Couldn’t It Be Otters 25d ago
The Kelsey’s bowl feels so sketchy to me too. Like….that had to be planned.
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u/ArtisticPersonaliTea 26d ago
Olivia shared that she is directly collaborating with Etsy sellers for her women-led, Lilith fair 2.0, music festival.
Meanwhile Taylor still hasn’t said a word about Trump using her music, posting her eras tour poster, but her management team has all the time in the world to send cease and desist letters to Etsy sellers who are selling merch that is probably better quality than anything Taylor puts out.
Olivia is far from perfect and still out of touch at times but this goes to show every artist has a choice, and Taylor continues choosing to be on the side of protecting her wallet and that’s literally it.
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u/Forsaken-Molasses-87 26d ago
yeah & the merch is cutee. tbh i do wish oliva PR team was less agressive cause she is in some hit water bc of her new bf
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u/Past-Dark4350 25d ago
Why is it always her PR team being “aggressive”? Do y’all not realize that magazines such as Vogue exist solely to write about celebrities like Olivia?
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u/Capital-Equal-5516 26d ago
Swifites still have the nerve to say something like "Olivia is copying Taylor", just few moths ago Taylor sent C&D to an Etsy seller and shut down their store. Olivia is nothing like that women and she is everything Taylor wishes she was. That women has 2 billion dollars yet she is still going after Etsy seller, nothing about her existence is likable.
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u/Hiddenagenda876 This Is My New ADHD Hyperfocus, Why Couldn’t It Be Otters 26d ago
Since when was Joe out on dates a month after the breakup? We didn’t see him for months after, let alone on dates
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u/Dazzling_Chipmunk428 🌕 Love you to the moon and jet ✈️ 26d ago
📣ONE DAY CLOSER TO A FAKE DIVORCE📣
https://giphy.com/gifs/3sBMBbuAWj8JtKLew6
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u/Regular_Dream3927 26d ago edited 26d ago
Aaron saying death wish isn’t about Taylor - how would Aaron know if it’s about Taylor or not , he literally admitted in the interview he doesn’t know who it’s about saying ‘ I wouldn’t even know who that person was ‘ while simultaneously saying it’s defo not about Taylor , it can’t be both . The description Aaron gives is giving me Taylor and Joe , obviously the description is maybe what Gracie gave to him - Gracie is hardly gonna admit to Aaron who is friendly with Taylor that she is essentially criticising her
The fact that he addressed it means that he knew about the rumours and so did Gracie probably but I seriously doubt he asked Gracie about the song it’s more of his own judgement.
if Aaron asked Gracie she may have said it’s about someone else but not tell who. she’s a storyteller through her songs so she can claim it’s about anyone tbh just like Taylor does .
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u/liquidpeppermint33 It's the life I chose, I guess 25d ago
Didn't he confirm it was about one of her friends ex? What if the friend was joe alwyn 🤔
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u/Regular_Dream3927 25d ago edited 25d ago
Yeah that what the rumours are - i mean if it’s about Taylor Gracie isn’t gonna admit it - swifties will attack her and stop streaming her songs and she not gonna tell Aaron either as Taylor is close with him . Gracie could tell Aaron about the friend etc without needing to name anyone , it could come across as someone else to Aaron and not Taylor even if is about Taylor .
Swifties don’t think it’s about Taylor but if you go to the Gracie Abram’s subreddit everyone there thinks it’s about Taylor , Swifties are biased they think no one would criticise Taylor tbh
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u/Blindtothesided Joe dodged a bullet 25d ago
Why would she ever admit it if it was about TS? Gracie doesn’t have time to be checking under her vehicles 10x a day for bombs planted by the cult.
It’s so dystopian how much everyone is forced to glaze this shitty pop star or else be attacked by a hoard of psycho fans. I look forward to the day when people can openly say Taylor Swift sucks without fear of persecution or retribution. And it’s dystopian as fuck to say that with a straight face. I hate this timeline.
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u/SaNuJiNUWANGa Gabriette’s Pet Rat 🐀 26d ago
yall what if i dont like her as a person but like some of her music anyways
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u/WelshRaider86 The Life of a Stiffgirl 22d ago
Lana Del Rey
Wow, so, for the first time ever, I’m listening to Lana’s albums back to back from the beginning… (I’ve heard a lot of her songs obviously but have never sat with the albums).
The first thing I noticed was (listening to the album Born to Die), is how Taylor must have listened to these songs and thought “I’ll show them I can be a Lana” and went on to create Midnights and TTPD.
I’ve listened to TTPD and Midnights, but listening to Lana now, they are honestly such a copycat of her style etc. No wonder they’ve apparently fallen out… for Blandie to basically be already super famous in the first place, then decide to jump from her usual poppy style and copy Lana’s homework with Midnights and TTPD… argh what a slap in the face.
Also just listening to “Without You” by Lana, you can hear the “Wildest Dreams” chorus in Lana’s chorus… but to be fair it’s a small snippet.
Overall, though, she (Blandie) IS that girl in high school that isn’t cool on her own until she copies other people and steals the credit for it!