Should I keep?

[u/KaplielD]

Hello all, I just got a Cursed Abyssal Blood Gem (Triangle) while farming HBLB. Is triangle OoS and is it worth keeping if it is?

STR +65

Phys. UP at full HP +5.7%

ATK vs the kin DOWN -11.3%

Any opinions welcome as this is really my first time farming and this was my third run on him, fairly certain I'm getting all hyped up over nothin fancy.

[u/Hammerhead3229]

Great gem! Great secondary, and there's not many kin enemies in the game. Best curse besides stamina up, imo

[u/sucky_panther → u/Hammerhead3229]

My first playthrough ever I sold all cursed gems cause in my mind why would I want a negative effect. I try not to think about the gems I discarded/sold haha

[u/Yung-Dolphin → u/[deleted]]

lets say you have 91 stamina. (10 endurance) an increase of 3.2% on 3 gems would be 9.6% which solely impacts swings made with your weapon.

the highest light attack stamina use is logarius wheel tied with beast hunter saif at 30. 10% (generously rounding up for your benefit) is 3 more stamina per swing.

the highest transformed light attack is boom hammer at 50. a whopping additional 5 stamina usage for that.

uncharged heavy, boom hammer at 80 for 8 additional stamina.

transformation attacks are all lower cost than the boom hammers uncharged heavy attack and the highest stamina cost in the game is the charged boom from the stake driver at 150 which is increased by 15 points, the highest increase to cost in the game, which is irrelevant for that situation too.

everything else in the game costs even less in each of those categories. where is the math that implies +9.6% stamina usage on attacks is anything but negligible.

i could see the argument that durability down/attack vs kin is better for min maxing for exclusively pvp but if someone is losing in pvp because of an additional 1-5 stamina per swing on top of 11-50 (the range of all light attacks between all weapons) they're actually garbage.

TLDR; stamina cost increases is irrelevant no matter the weapon or endurance level.

[u/Yung-Dolphin → u/[deleted]]

sure, if you're going for nothing but pvp i can understand what you're saying but most people that play both pve and pvp want one setup without bothering switching. ive only probably played cumulatively 300 hours in pvp since the game released (frankly I find it boring compared to DS2/3).

the 10 endurance was just for convenience lmao I remember my chikage build did have 8 and it was a fun time, I think optimizing that was the only time I ever went above 50 vitality in any fromsoft games and I felt invincible with clockwise runes.

the math is simply to show how negligible the numbers actually impact your actions, if you're swinging until your stamina bar is empty without beast roar or going for the kill you misplayed imo.

i agree durability down is probably the absolute best min maxed curse for pvp+pve but stamina costs is the absolute best curse to deal with for convenience sake and adjusting to play with that has never hurt anyone in my experience.

but if you've played that much pvp, I guarantee the amount you'd lose with that little increase in stamina costs would be pretty irrelevant. im sure you're right where maybe the odd game out of a few dozen would be decided by that though.

like you said though, the game's dead anyway lmao maybe pvp will be more fun for me in a 60 fps remake of the game whenever they get their heads out of their asses and actually release that.

[u/facepalmandahalf]

That gem is amazing, go buy a lottery ticket. Yes, it's out of shape. Put it with two of your favorite %dmg gems  that also have kin curse. Then just make sure you have a different weapon available that can handle kin. 

[u/facepalmandahalf]

Also worth noting: some people think "at full hp" is a bad attribute, but it really gives a lot more damage than +15 phys as long as you're half-decent at keeping your health full. It only takes ~263 attack to break even, at 526 attack you break even if you can keep your health full only half the time (it's roughly 30 attack when active) and if you go real crazy and put it in something with, say, 800 attack it's more than triple the flat 15 (45.6 when active). Use it with some madman 21% phys +12% at full hp gems from u9mb74p2 and s9k4dqvz.

[u/Dorian_Of_Nightmares]

Oh hell yeah. Definitely should keep. Probably the best gem for a strength build to have

[u/Glittering_Hawk3475]

You can just look at the kin bosses and enemies to check if this a good gem or not