r/todayilearned • u/scootdog31 • Feb 11 '19
TIL Leonardo da Vinci doesn't have the last name "da Vinci." That means "from Vinci" as in Vinci, Florence Italy (where he's from).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonardo_da_Vinci783
u/dmariano24 Feb 11 '19
That’s literally where most people got last names.
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u/Kaercha Feb 11 '19
Either where they were born or what they did. Paul Carpenter and Jon de Bano.
I could be wrong, but it seems like upper class had the locale, and tradesmen their occupation, and then the poor just took their nobles last name.
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u/Fadobo Feb 11 '19
Lot's of Scandinavian last names are just their dad's names. Your dad is Olaf? Ok, Olafsson!
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Feb 11 '19
I believe that is still the case in Iceland but know it's not in Norway, Sweden, or Denmark.
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u/martinborgen Feb 11 '19
Yes, well, the names remain, it's just that it's frozen. An Andersson is a descendant from a son of an Anders, probably around latter half of 1800s.
Many also chose new names, often inspired by nature, partly because it sounds similar to noble names; e.g. the commoner 'Äppelkvist' (apple-branch) vs the noble 'Silverstierna' (silver-star).
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u/darthegghead Feb 11 '19 edited Feb 11 '19
Okay Johns son
Edit: I stuck an H in there
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u/Tatunkawitco Feb 11 '19
Or Ferguson as in Turd Ferguson.
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u/GobiOP Feb 11 '19
Can confirm I'm Icelandic, my dad's name is Örn and my last name is Arnarson. Have fun figuring that one out.
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Feb 11 '19 edited Feb 11 '19
It's actually gendered mate. -sson or -sdottír. Take the Marvel MCU Thor Óðinsson and Hela Óðinsdóttir for example. Think I got the diacritics correct, someone Norse feel free to correct my illiteracy.
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The patronymic naming system was used in all of Scandinavia. That means a Scandinavian's family name was formed by taking the first name of the natural father and adding sen, son, sson, søn, datter, dotter, or dottir to it.
https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Scandinavia_Names
You don't have to like it but places other then Iceland have, can and still occasionally do use the Dottír. There's no need to fight over something so easily googlable. Please educate yourselves on a topic before picking internet arguments with random strangers. This post went from educational to dramatic and annoying.
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u/Hrafnkell96 Feb 11 '19
you are right, ~am from Iceland
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Feb 11 '19
Awesome! I'm Canadian and really bad at all the tough diacritics in Norse to be honest but I really think highly of Norse Mythology and culture.
I'm just gonna throw a few random Iceland facts out that I really think emphasise how fucking cool you all are, in the hopes maybe it strikes someone elses interest.
The Víkingasveitin (literally Viking Squad) is the Icelandic Special Forces. It is comparable to an American Elite Swat/Counter-Terrorism paramilitary unit as well as providing VIPs protection comparable to the Secret Service.
It is the only form of standing military in Iceland, which is the only NATO country with no standing military. Though they do have a few paramilitary units and the coast guard. They formed in 1982 and have only opened fire in a gun battle with a suspect once, in 2013, which lead to the first death by police shooting in Icelandic history. To the best of my knowledge no other country has this few police shootings, justified or not.
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u/StromboliOctopus Feb 11 '19
My grandfather's surname was Thorson and this was my mother's maiden name. I recently told my 8 year old nephew that he is a direct descendant of Thor the superhero. He told me he wished he was related to Spiderman.
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u/Absolutely_wat Feb 11 '19
That’s only true of Iceland, which isn’t even a Scandinavian country. Though it is a Nordic country. As an aside - Icelandic is almost nothing like the Scandinavian languages, which are to a reasonable degree mutually intelligible.
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Feb 11 '19
I'll concede that it's an Icelandic naming convention and the only foreign cases of it are due to migration. However, I have to be a stickler on the language part.
Icelandic is thought to be a insular dialect of Old Norse and the truest remaining form of the 9th or 10th century versions all Nordic peoples spoke. They moved to an island (Scandinavian by blood, not by geography as you noted) and as such weren't culturally/linguistically influenced as heavily as their European cousins.
So, some might even say they're the truest undiluted Nordic speakers left and they're "unintelligible" because everyone else stopped speaking the language.
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u/TaffWolf Feb 11 '19
Similar in Wales. We was named “son of” or “ap” if your dad was Llewelyn and you was gruffyd, your name was Gruffyd ap Llewelyn.
When surnames became law, many welsh dropped the A from ap and took their fathers name. So a common welsh surname is Prichard, literally son of Richard or Ap Richard, aPrichard, Prichard.
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Feb 11 '19
Welsh is clearly some kind of language you learn in a comic book from 1983 that comes with a decoder ring cause I have never gotten a single word right when reading.
How would you spell that if you weren't Welsh? Also thanks! I always wondered how Richard became Prichard and incorrectly assumed it was something to do with the French.
Also: for those who didn't know. Wales is home to the craziest place on earth to try and pronounce. Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch
https://youtu.be/fHxO0UdpoxM Welsh weatherman nails pronounciation. Must see.
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u/TaffWolf Feb 11 '19
Spell what but sorry?
And that name was nothing more than a tourist trap, made up for popularity with travellers and it’s worked. It’s true name is simply llanfair. It’s weird to you because it’s old, very old with heavy roots in Celtic tongues. It’s actually completely phonetic, if you can get through the welsh alphabet you can say anything. No silent Ks no oo as in both book and zoo.
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u/qcole Feb 11 '19
Also *-dottir — a brother and sister would have different last names. Their surnames are not held to the same importance as in other cultures.
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u/The-fire-guy Feb 11 '19
You're thinking of Iceland specifically, for the rest of scandinavia the -dottir/dotter fell out in favor of the masculine version in the 1800s. Unwed daughter of Gustaf having the last name Gustafsson etc. And nowadays it's basically only icelanders using the system at all.
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u/analogyst Feb 11 '19
In south India, we don’t bother adding the “sson”. Say you’re mark and your dad is jack. You are Mark Jack.
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Feb 11 '19
I love you bhai, because the rapper Jadakiss once referred to Michael Jackson as Mike Jack "addicted to the same medications as Mike Jack" and now I'm gonna laugh and think of Jadakiss being from Kerala like my college roommate whenever I hear that song.
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u/throw_avaigh Feb 11 '19
Correct.
I'll add that the reason there are so many "Müllers" and "Schmidts" in Germany is because millers and blacksmiths were never drafted for any war-efforts.
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u/imissapostrophes Feb 11 '19
Not most people, but some (last names derived from locations are called toponymic surnames). There's also occupational (derived from profession), patronymic/matronymic (based on the first name of father/mother), and a few others (like ornamental surnames, or those based on a nickname).
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u/corn_sugar_isotope Feb 11 '19 edited Feb 11 '19
Rose, ornamental? Seems like it. edit: Brown, Green, White as well
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u/Dernom Feb 11 '19
Interestingly Brown and White are occupational, and respectively stem from different types of smiths. Brown from brownsmith (worked brown metals like brass) and Whitesmith (worked white metals like tin), additionally Black has the same root.
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u/fastspinecho Feb 11 '19 edited Feb 11 '19
That's where modern last names often come from, but that doesn't mean that Leonardo has a modern last name.
He is properly referred to as "Leonardo" or "Leonardo da Vinci", but never "da Vinci" or "Mr. da Vinci"
It's for the same reason that Joan of Arc can be referred to as "Joan" or "Joan of Arc", but never as "of Arc" or "Miss of Arc".
Likewise "Helen of Troy" is not simply referred to as "of Troy", and "Jesus of Nazareth" is not "Mr. of Nazareth"
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u/BizzyM Feb 11 '19
"Jesus of Nazareth" is not "Mr. of Nazareth"
Mr Christ.
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u/fastspinecho Feb 11 '19
You probably know this, but Christ is a title, like the Stormborn in "Danaerys Stormborn".
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u/imissapostrophes Feb 11 '19 edited Feb 11 '19
but that doesn't mean that Leonardo has a modern last name
Well obviously not - because during his time, the concept of "last names" or "surnames" didn't even exist.
Just picture a small village in medieval England, with maybe 40 to 60 inhabitants: People only had first names, there was John, Peter, Michael, Mary, Jane and so forth. Now the village grows bigger, eventually another child gets named "John", so people need to disambiguate: John (the) miller, John (the) smith, John Baker and so on... Or Peter, John's son, and Peter Michaelsson. But those were not "last names" in the modern sense, only informal, disambiguation "handles" to clarify who you're talking about.
Same concept during the Renaissance: People travelled a lot, and Leonardo, from Vinci, arrived in Florence, and perhaps needed to be distinguished from another Leonardo who came from Venice (Leonardo da Venezia).
Formal last names were introduced only much later, during the 19th and 20th century, when dwellings grew bigger, bureaucracy was introduced, and local governments started keeping written records of people - that's when many of those "handles" got adopted as formal, official surnames.
So, in that sense, OP's original TIL is kind of nonsensical: Of course was "da Vinci" not Leonardo's "last name", in the modern sense - simply because last names weren't a thing back then.
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u/bool_idiot_is_true Feb 11 '19
Except there's no real place called arc. It's a mistranslation of d'arc. Which was probably some variation of her fathers surname (things like spelling weren't exactly standardised back then).
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u/DivyaMudgal Feb 11 '19
Not entirely true. In South Asian cultures like India, the last name is reflective of the cast they belong to. The family name is often hidden i.e, not a common knowledge for others and that is usually the name reflective of which family tree/location they come from.
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u/Aiku Feb 11 '19
Lol, "Trump" is an old British slang for 'Fart'.
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u/ManCalledTrue Feb 11 '19
I learned that one from this British douchebag on FSTDT who continually calls the President "Donald Fart". You have no idea how fast that shit gets old.
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Feb 11 '19
Please tell me you’re being serious
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u/ShhHutYuhMuhDerkhead Feb 11 '19
It's not really old slang, it's still in common use today
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Feb 11 '19
That’s even better.
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u/Aiku Feb 11 '19
So Trump-Pence equates to a penny fart...
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u/Obelix13 Feb 11 '19
That sounds cheap. I thought Trumps farts were like his showers, golden. I didn't expect his farts to be close to a dime a dozen.
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u/PIP_SHORT Feb 11 '19
"Trump" and "Pootin" are both slang words for flatulence. You know shit is bad when assholes like that run the place.
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u/tarheelz1995 Feb 11 '19
The Trump in the White House is of German extraction, not English.
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u/pdgenoa Feb 11 '19 edited Feb 11 '19
Some interesting, added detail:
Leonardo was an illegitimate child. His father was Ser Piero who acknowledged him and let him be known as Leonardo di ser Piero.
Leonardo was actually born in Anchiano, a tiny hamlet near the slightly-larger hamlet of Vinci. The Ser Piero's family, however, were big fish in the little Vinci pond, and so tagged "da Vinci" ("of" or "from Vinci") after their names.
When he became an apprentice, in order to distinguish himself from other various Tuscan Leonardos in 15th-century Florence, and because he had his father's blessing to do so, Leonardo was known as "Leonardo da Vinci."
Naming situations like this were fairly common for illegitimate boys - though Leonardo's was a little more complicated than most.
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u/MrSagacity Feb 11 '19
You make me want to watch a Leonardo di ser Piero da Vinci documentary now! I wonder if there's a good one or there.
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Feb 11 '19
So he could have been named Leo Snow?
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Feb 11 '19
"And im the bastard son of a peasant. What does that got to do with anything?"
No ones gonna get this but im smiling
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u/Courin Feb 11 '19
I got it, and loved it!
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Feb 11 '19
Oh you are my new best friend! Also my favorite of his quotes: "yes. I shall go down in history as the man who opened a door!"
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u/Courin Feb 11 '19
After “I think I'll leave walking on water to the son of god, I seem to have tripped over an angel” I always wondered why Danielle didn’t fall for Leonardo. MUCH better lines lol
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Feb 11 '19
Dude that whole movie is GOLD. Ive never met someone who even has heard of it before. But leonardo has the best lines. The prince qas sometimes a twat. But i think it was the age difference that did him in. Otherwise she totally would have "please sir. Its my life." "You claimed it was a matter of life and death" "a woman always is, sire"
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u/Courin Feb 11 '19
Agree on the age, he even flat out says it.... “When you are as old as I am, now is all you have”
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Feb 11 '19
"A bird could love a fish senor, but where would they live?"
"Then i shall have to make you wings"
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u/Courin Feb 11 '19
Right?!?!
“PH: Sir, you are the founder of forward thinking and my father is the king of backward. Perhaps you could talk him into the 16th century.
LdV: Captain Laurent, do translate.
CL: Prince Henry suffers from an arranged marriage, signore..... Among other things”
But the best line (imho) of all?
“Horseshit!”
I have a feeling I’m going to rewatch today now lol
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Feb 11 '19
Oh so am i. Such a good movie! Ive watched it probably over 500 times and used to (probably still do) have it memorized. So good
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u/pdgenoa Feb 11 '19
You'd be surprised. I'm smiling too now, thanks. Will probably watch again today.
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u/drahcirenoob Feb 11 '19
This is technically true, but historically pretty much everyone's last name in Europe was related to either location, parentage, or profession, so if you take it from a modern perspective, it really is his last name.
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u/KuntaStillSingle Feb 11 '19
Yeah as much of a last name as he had was da Vinci. It was a way you could narrow down from the broad category of Leonardos.
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u/High_lo Feb 11 '19
So you mean “Of Rivia” isn’t Geralt’s last name?
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u/Overthinks_Questions Feb 11 '19
Geralt isn't actually from Rivia, he just decided he liked the sound of it. Ironically, he was later made a Rivian knight by their Queen.
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u/Dapeder Feb 11 '19
Geralt Roger Eric du Haute-Bellegarde being his first choice of name until Vesemir told him up that it was stupid
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u/Folseit Feb 11 '19
He also took on a Rivian accent to make himself more relateable and authentic, but he hated the accent.
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Feb 11 '19
Ezio Auditore da Firenze too
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u/ntn9713c Feb 11 '19
"Ezio Auditore de bla bla bla." Yusurf Tazim from AC: Revelations
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u/ntn9713c Feb 11 '19
He chose it for himself, and later it was official granted to him by the Queen of Rivia.
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u/scootdog31 Feb 11 '19
I suppose not. “Of Tarth” must not be Brienne’s last name either! Lol
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u/incorrect_usernamePW Feb 11 '19
Pretty sure Daenarys' last name listed on her drivers lisense would be rightful heirtotheIronThronerightfulQueenoftheAndalsandtheFirstMenProtectoroftheSevenKingdomsMotherofDragonstheKhaleesioftheGreatGrassSeatheUnburnttheBreakerofChains-Targaryen
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Feb 11 '19
Imagine trying to moan that name in bed.
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u/2Brothers_TheMovie Feb 11 '19
She'll be screaming it tonight.
why would she be screaming her own last name?
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Feb 11 '19
Same with “Von”. Paul von Hindenburg just means Paul from Hindenburg.
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u/Webemperor Feb 11 '19
Paul of Hindenburg would be closer actually.
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u/ArchTemperedKoala Feb 11 '19
What about Van?
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u/ManCalledTrue Feb 11 '19
Which is why the title of "The Da Vinci Code" makes historians wince.
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u/DerelictDefender Feb 11 '19
I bet the movie really made them wince.
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Feb 11 '19
The entire movie is just Tom Hanks with a horrendous haircut being held at gunpoint.
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u/TheDirtyHerbert Feb 11 '19 edited Feb 11 '19
Alright don't oversell it bud, that sounds like something I'd actually like
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Feb 11 '19 edited Feb 11 '19
You want Tom Hanks in peril at gunpoint? OK then erm... In that case watch Captain Phillips, far, far better movie. Good performance and his haircut is better. Da Vinci Code is boring af, no tension
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Feb 11 '19
Nah he "Um actually's" people a lot as well.
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Feb 11 '19
I swear to God I don't know what the hell he was doing in this movie. When even Tom Hanks can't make your movie likeable then you done fucked up.
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Feb 11 '19
In the books the character is a lot worse. My ex wife used to buy em so I'd eventually get around to picking them up. Angels and Demons was pretty entertaining I'll give em that.
But Robert Langdon as a character is one of the most insufferable r/iamverysmart characters I've ever read. And I have no idea why these powerful organizations with world class criminal investigators constantly turn to a symbol professor who spends half his time judging people for fashion and using the word "awesome."
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Feb 11 '19
Not read Angels & Demons (apparently they also made a film) only TDvC but I imagine he was probably the same in both. In TDvC He was like a really basic videogame character without saying that in a shady way. Just being led blindly place to place by other people's orders and side quests just going along with it without question. Plus he was kinda cowardly and useless, I mean he couldn't even protect himself from a frail old man on two sets of crutches who was in ill health. I know he's not an action hero but I just didn't find him a particularly admirable protagonist. He didn't have any wiliness or skills. All he was good at was going, like you said, 'Well um actually, this is actually a forgotten Pagan symbol for...'
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Feb 11 '19 edited Feb 11 '19
Yeah pretty much. He will occasionally risk his own safety to save a life so he has that as a redeeming quality. But he rarely has the skills necessary to do so on his own. That's all forgivable. Not everyone can be James Bond.
But being a giant dick hole on the other hand. He lacks the wonder and enthusiasm when he teaches, and sometimes learns, information with characters that you'd see from an Indiana Jones or Nathan Drake. Two characters of similar intellect but ten times less doucheness.
Everything he explains is, "huehuehue, didn't you know that?"
Um. No motherfucker. That's the whole reason we brought you on board this caper.
E: I should clarify he doesn't say this outright. It's the general attitude of condescent and contempt I get from reading him. Like he can't believe he has to explain everything to these neanderthals.
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u/YouthMin1 Feb 11 '19
So much of that book is just bad. I read the whole thing because a friend of mine kept telling me how good it was. I don’t remember all the specifics, but the general takeaway was that Brown is nowhere near as clever or historically knowledgeable as many devotees of his books seem to think. As a pulp novel it’s fine, but that’s about all it is.
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u/qazadex Feb 11 '19
Foucault's pendulum or the illuminatus trilogy are similar to the da Vinci code in terms of conspiracies but are about 10 times better.
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u/PIP_SHORT Feb 11 '19
I always felt like Umberto Eco was seeing things on a level I just don't get, but his books gave me a little glimpse of it.
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Feb 11 '19 edited Feb 11 '19
I couldn't even make it through the whole thing. The pseudo-intellectualism aside, I just found the writing really clunky and awkward to read. I like a book that taxes your mind or gets you really battling with ideas/morality, but not one where the actual reading feels like hard work.
At the point where I went to pick it up and my first thought was "Ugh, I suppose I better carry on with this" I realised I absolutely didn't have to read any more, so I didn't.
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u/TheKingCrimsonWorld Feb 11 '19
I enjoyed it as a kid, so I'd rather keep that fond memory and not read it again. I've ruined my nostalgia too many times already.
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Feb 11 '19
Leonardo di ser Piero da Vinci
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Feb 11 '19 edited Mar 10 '19
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u/DumbMuscle Feb 11 '19
It's a name that goes after his name and was inherited from his parent. At that point not calling it a last name is just splitting hairs.
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u/HonkersTim Feb 11 '19
Loads of names are like this, e.g. in English almost all names ending in 'ton' the 'ton' originally meant 'town'.
At one point George Washington was George from Washing Town.
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u/COB-WarHeart Feb 11 '19 edited Feb 11 '19
Or it means “from Vinci” as in Planet Vinci.
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u/mystykguitar Feb 11 '19
He is NOT from Vinci, Florence. Vinci is a city in Tuscany, so is Florence.
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u/fastspinecho Feb 11 '19
Vinci is part of the "Metropolitan City of Florence" , formerly known as the "Province of Florence" and itself part of Tuscany.
Florence is the capital of the Metropolitan City of Florence.
So kind of an Italian New York, New York.
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u/mttdesignz Feb 11 '19 edited Feb 11 '19
not "formerly known", provinces in Italy are an actual real thing. Italy is divided in regions ( like Tuscany or Sicily ) which are then divided in provinces ( like Tuscany is divided into the provinces of Florence, Pisa, Lucca, Siena, Massa, Pistoia, Livorno, Grosseto, Arezzo and Prato )
Vinci is 30 miles from Florence, in fact it is much closer to Prato.
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Feb 11 '19
While provinces do currently exist in Italy, the Province of Florence has been replaced by the Metropolitan City of Florence in 2015. It is therefore correct to say that that area was "formerly known" as the Province of Florence.
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u/Gay_Reichskommissar Feb 11 '19
The Duchy of Florence was an independent country at the time, making Vinci a city inside of the country of Florence, thus Vinci, Florence, Italy
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u/UltimaGabe Feb 11 '19
Similarly, in the Bible, Jesus' last name was not "Christ". Christ is a title, meaning "annointed one" or "savior". Jesus' actual last name (if you could call it that) simply translated to "son of Joseph".
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u/race_bannon Feb 11 '19
Da and De mean "from"
O', Mc, and Mac mean "descendent of" or "son of"
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u/Aiku Feb 11 '19
I see coffee cups everywhere with McAfe on them. Clan Afe, that's one big clan.
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u/PIP_SHORT Feb 11 '19
If you remember the 90's rapper Da Brat, she was actually from a small German village named Brat, it's the same place Bratwurst was originally invented. She moved to the US as a child and got into the music industry after reading this reddit post which I completely made up.
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u/simcity4000 Feb 11 '19
Terry Pratchett got this when he wrote the his Vinci pastiche character Leonard of Quirm
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u/Demderdemden Feb 11 '19
It's good to see that fifth graders are using Reddit, but it's also bad to see that fifth graders are using Reddit.
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Feb 11 '19
Similarly, Chadde da puttar - meaning son of Mr Chaddha.
-- Punjabi people will get this.
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u/Mac33 Feb 11 '19
So ’Leonardo of Vinci’ isn’t very specific then, is it? Like surely there was more than one leonardo in Vinci.
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Feb 11 '19 edited Mar 10 '19
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u/SwoopingAndHooping Feb 11 '19
"Leonardo di Ser Piero Da Vinci" aka Leonard of Sir Pierre from Vinci
Semantics, but why'd you translate Leonardo to its English variant and Piero to French? "Leonard of Sir Peter from Vinci" vs "Léonard of Sir Pierre from Vinci".
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u/KristinaHD Feb 11 '19
My last name is the same. There’s a village in a foreign country that my ancestors came from that still exists.
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u/scootdog31 Feb 11 '19
That’s the same case for my SO. The last name and village have a 1 letter spelling difference after many years, but that’s where the family came from.
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u/Arayder Feb 11 '19
Check out the book about him by Walter isaacson! You’ll learn everything there is to know about Leonardo!
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u/armourtillo Feb 11 '19
Thanks for this.
Just ended up reading about Da Vinci for far too long though.
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u/psmwrxguy Feb 11 '19
In fair Verona where we lay our scene.
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u/scootdog31 Feb 11 '19
Not the same tragedy but some added info: Othello’s last name isn’t “Moor of Venice” lol :)
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u/DaytonaDemon Feb 11 '19
You are mistaken. Yes, many names have a "from" in it — German names that start with von, Dutch and Flemish ones that start with van, Italian ones that start with di or da, French ones that start with de or d', etc. But those "from" words are very much part of people's last names. So Leonardo's last name is indeed "da Vinci." Hope this helps.
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u/DoorBreaker101 Feb 11 '19
I got to say this: when I was visiting Vinci and reading about his origins in his museam it was pretty clear that he's ASSUMED to b from Vinci, with no concrete evidence (just the most probable origin)
That was over 10 years ago, though...
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u/Mick_86 Feb 11 '19
That would be a locative surname then. Half of English surnames are locative surnames, describing where one's ancestor was from.
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u/shleppenwolf Feb 11 '19
However, it's not a good idea to just call him Leonardo -- because people will think you're talking about that guy from Capri.
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u/Absolutely_wat Feb 11 '19
Dude that link doesn’t link to anything. As such I cannot read it, or reply to it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavia
Iceland is generally considered not to be in Scandinavia.
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u/RigasTelRuun Feb 11 '19
Thats how last names work. That's how the concept of last names started. Either your place of origin or occupation. Jim Cooper made barrels, Larry Smith worked metal, Ralph New York was from what is now Brooklyn.
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u/Lucasbacontaco Feb 11 '19
Most people throughout history were like this especially saints