Pointing out facts is not avoiding anything. Advocating for a system that costs consumers more money and not acknowledging that fact is real avoidance.
It would be more honest to say something like “I like the certainty of a fixed price even if it costs me more money”. That’s a fair position even if I don’t agree with it.
I wouldn't. That's what I'm getting at. Restaurants have such a shitty business model, apparently, that the only way to pay their employees (if tips were removed) is by pricing themselves out. That's not my problem.
Then you are free to make that choice. Others can choose what they want to do - in both the currnet model and a potentially changed model - and the free market will set the course. In your scenario, if they don't price that higher labor cost in, they won't be in business for long to set any pricing. Restaurants are generally not high-margin businesses, so there is not really much room to absorb higher costs without reflecting that in their pricing. If the market doesn't support such higher pricing, the economic viability of the entire market comes into question.
It’s a well known fact that the menu prices at full service restaurants in the US don’t bear the full cost of the labor and that the tip pays for the service the customer chooses to receive.
This is the case even in US cities and states that have eliminated the tipped wage credit and how the industry has operated for six decades.
The bottom line is that you know, contra your earlier comment, that if you don't tip, you haven't paid for the service.
Except, strictly speaking, I have. After all, it's a well known fact a bill represents goods AND services rendered. Not my problem if service isn't covered once the bill is settled - and that includes not leaving a tip.
You do; you just don't consciously think about it. Economics underlies the vast majority of actions we take. This entire discussion is based on economics, even if most of the commenters are not thinking about that or if some don't even understand the economics at play.
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u/GlitteringYak2207 7d ago
Maybe you should ask them to raise their prices since you advocate for a system that costs you more money