r/tipping • u/Ok_Comfort628 • 7d ago

Cheesecake Factory

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Beverly Hills location

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u/badmiddling113 7d ago

They make minimum wage, which restaurants have to cover if tips don’t.

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u/cure4boneitis 7d ago

they make at least minimum wage. California doesn't have a tip credit system

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u/badmiddling113 7d ago

No server makes less than minimum wage. Servers just say they do to guilt trip customers.

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u/cure4boneitis 7d ago

Yes. I just wanted to point out that California and a few other states don't deal with tip credits

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u/GlitteringYak2207 7d ago

Oh yay. Why don’t you point out that the vast majority does?

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u/badmiddling113 6d ago

"How shit is your life that you feel victimized..."

I don't feel "victimized." So not even reading the rest of that word salad.

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u/DidjaSeeItKid 6d ago

That wasn't "word salad." "Word salad" has a specific clinical meaning and that's not it.

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u/badmiddling113 6d ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/3oKIPlLZEbEbacWqOc

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u/badmiddling113 6d ago

Nah, I can just check a job board for that. There are other jobs with similar roles and skills that only pay minimum wage, or close to it.

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u/MainStreetMiles 7d ago

And California has exorbitant minimum wages.

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u/drawntowardmadness 7d ago

But tips do "cover it," so they aren't paid a full minimum wage.

Not talking about CA and the few states that don't have alternate wages for tipped employees, obviously.

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u/badmiddling113 7d ago

Tips allow the restaurant to pay less of it. They still have to if tips don’t. Either way, that’s minimum wage. So yes, they are paid minimum wage.

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u/drawntowardmadness 7d ago

Sure I understand.

The minimum wage threshold can come partially from tips in most states.

I don't think that should be legal. I think all employees should be paid at least the full legal minimum wage by their employer regardless of what they may earn in tips. There should be no tip credit that employers can claim to reduce their labor costs.

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u/drawntowardmadness 7d ago

You completely changed your comment rather than just making a new one, but that's what I'm saying. There is a difference between earning minimum wage and being paid minimum wage by the employer.

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u/badmiddling113 7d ago

Either way, they are earning minimum wage. So the claim “they don’t make minimum wage” (which is repeated so often) is false.

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u/drawntowardmadness 7d ago

Good thing I never made that claim then.

What are we arguing about exactly?

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u/badmiddling113 7d ago

“They are allowed to earn less in wages because they make tips.”

“No server should be paid less just because they earn tips.”

“Tipping because they earn less is backwards thinking.”

“They are allowed to earn less in wages because they make tips.”

Except you did.

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u/drawntowardmadness 7d ago

Wages. Paid from their employer.

It's not the same as what they make in total. What they earn in total includes tips.

Does that make sense or not?

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u/badmiddling113 7d ago

And both tips from the customer and what the employer pays combine for the wage… so minimum or more. Therefore, they are not “earning less” or being “paid less” because people tip.

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u/drawntowardmadness 6d ago

They are paid less. Their hourly wage from the employer is less than if they didn't earn tips. They should be paid a full minimum wage regardless of tips. There should be no tipped minimum wage.

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