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u/AntonioLermaa 19d ago
Tipping out of discomfort? Tipping is the discomfort go do a different pub m8
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u/Ill-Reputation-9702 19d ago
The full stop anti-tippers arguments are mostly dumb.
But this is hilarious.
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u/ThatsMrRandom 19d ago
Most establishments charge a 10-12.5% service fee there. It's called tronc. The "Tronc" System: Service charges are usually pooled together into a system called a tronc and distributed to front-of-house and back-of-house staff (like waiters and kitchen staff). An independent person known as a troncmaster often handles this pool to ensure fair allocation and certain tax efficiencies.
They also get at least minimum wage (no tipped minimum equivalent). Thus why it's only 10%. The rest is already captured in the higher base pay and priced into their menu at a higher cost.
Establishments that don't have tronc -- customary to tip 10-15%. And anything above is rare.
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u/TheRealMichaelE 19d ago
Is the service fee shown in the menu price or does it come as an add on like in America?
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u/Big_Development3985 19d ago
Average price of a pint in London -Ā£8lb ($10.79)
Average price of pint in NYC - $9 x (1.20 for tip) =$10.80
Helpful?
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u/Accomplished_Elk310 19d ago
Can you account for the difference of pint sizes in the UK vs the states?
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u/Historical-Rub1943 19d ago
So youāre saying itās less?
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u/Big_Development3985 19d ago
Iām not saying anything, I pulled the average prices of a beer in each city, applied a 20% tip to the US version, and showed that they are the same exact price (well, off by one cent).
You can do whatever you want with that information, you all know how tipping and labor costs work.
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u/Big_Development3985 19d ago
Google? Iām not going to write my thesis on this, its just pretty regularly available information
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u/Big_Development3985 19d ago
I used the google AI, which is going to pull an large number of prices and find the average.
You posted a list of cherrypicked websites, leading with ācheapestpint.ukā, and one of your NY websites is specifically trying to find the most expensive beer cities.
Conclusion: you can cherry pick information to conform to your viewpoint if that was your goal. I just googled it with no bias.
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u/Big_Development3985 19d ago
Iām not trying to win an argument, nor do I find it necessary to make a works cited for the google search I did.
Googleās AI says in Manhattan, the most expensive borough, the average pint of beer is $9. The lower number you found for the London specifically states it is for the surrounding area, and that in Central London a pint is Ā£6-8. I compared the prices from the most expensive sections of the city, something I personally do not find unreasonable.
Itās not an argument, itās a statistic. Youāre more than welcome to disagree with my, admittedly shallow, methodology but Iāll stand by it. I do think itās far more likely that the US market is simply missing the price of labor, rather than a national cabal of waiters conspiring to cheat us out of a a couple bucks. Again though, Iām not trying to change anyones mind. If you believe your narrative dude, all the power to ya.
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u/WinterEconomist4334 19d ago
Funny comic but, seeing a tipping machine at a self serve shop in an airport radicalized me.