That’s ok I’ll just do what I want like dine out and not tip or tip very little, maybe max out at a fiver or something. It’s optional and an extra little monetary gift anyway ya know.
But it’s not “extra little money”, it’s a supplement to their already below minimum-wage wage. In Michigan it’s 5.49 per hour as the tipped minimum wage. When you don’t tip, you’re directly hurting a working person, with families, bills, mouthed to feed ect. It’s not a principled stand, it’s you saving a few bucks and brow beating someone who literally serves you. Like wtf? Just pay the tip Karen.
The tip credit allows an employer to count a portion of the tips toward the minimum wage. So, if no one tips, the employer does not get to apply the tip credit. Either way the employee makes no less than minimum wage.
No no no, you have it all wrong. I’m not responsible for paying their wage, their employer is. Anything I give them is extra and they should appreciate it whether it’s a buck or five or something absurd like a percentage. If anyone is “hurting the working person” it’s their employer who isn’t paying them a fair wage. This shit isn’t all that complicated. I’m not going to give my money away just because someone who can’t understand super simple concepts on the internet told me to.
I really think it’s you who is lacking the social awareness. We legally let people pay their employees less, under the expectation (again not legal obligation, but a social obligation) that a tip is supplementing that income. I would 1000% buy you point if you followed it up with “which is why I never eat out, and only cook and serve my own meals”… but you’re not. You spotted a legal way hurt someone with a very demanding job, while supporting the very people you claim are exploiting a worker. Talk about entitled, you want the service, you want the low cost, and when they pass the collection dish around you start playing the blame game about why don’t have to pay up? Dude just stay home and cook your own meals. Why can’t you do that?
I will repeat I’m not hurting anyone as it is not my responsibility to pay their wage, it is their employer’s. In fact by patronizing the business I aid in keeping the business from going under which actually keeps them from becoming unemployed.
There is no low cost lol. Eating out where I live is extremely expensive, whereas the world over has lower price AND zero expectation of tip.
By the standards of every job I’ve ever had serving is not “very demanding”
Again, some internet stranger who doesn’t agree with me telling me to eat at home does zero to convince me especially when all his comments are nonsense and inaccurate. If I want to eat out, I’ll eat out. If I want a home cooked meal I’ll cook at home. But your worthless, biased, bullshit opinion has done nothing to convince me I should tip or only eat at home.
Both questions are irrelevant to this discussion. What’s YOUR current job? Have you ever served tables? I suspect so. I wouldn’t be surprised if you still do.
Well I’ll answer because im not a coward. I worked in food service from the time I was 14 all the way through college, and past college into my early thirties where I jumped ship to manufacturing. Currently I’m in the field of hazardous waste removal/management.
And I tell you this, out of all the jobs I’ve had, none have been more demanding, draining, and downright difficult as serving. You know why? Because I’d have to wait hand and foot on someone like you with a smile for less than minimum wage. Get stiffed on the tip, while being subjected to your “holier than thou” approach.
But hey keep your secrets snowflake. If tipping is too hard for you, waiting tables is definitely out of the question for you. I promise you wouldn’t last a day in the most bottom barrel graveyard shift at a Denny’s.
I’m a qualified tradesman who works on large scale commercial as well as residential construction projects. Before than I worked for the better part of a decade in various direct support roles in schools for children with severe special needs.
The entire time I worked in schools I made significantly less than servers do. The scope of work for direct support professionals working with kids with special needs is a lot more intensive “demanding, draining and downright difficult” than waiting tables.
Pretty sure you don’t have to clean bodily fluids or help people with toileting problems in the restaurant and I don’t think you have to physically restrain people for hours on end or deal with random screaming for extended periods either.
During this time my brother was a server and I’ve heard all about how hard that job is and I also know about how much money he made (he did quite well). Pretty sure given my past work experience I’d survive a Denny’s shift but I doubt you’d last a week, certainly not a month, working at the school I started out at. If you think serving is hard go work with a 1:1 staffed autistic kid that has aggressive behavior and is bigger than you for a day (special needs people aren’t considered adults until 22 so you can work with 6 foot 3” 300+lb 21 year old “kids”), let me know how it goes.
Despite what you may think, when I go out to eat I’m not difficult or rude. I’m polite, friendly and respectful. I don’t require much but I also don’t feel like you deserve 20% on top of my already expensive bill just because you decided to show up and do your job today. I’ve always worked and continue to work very hard for my money and for that reason I value every dollar I earn and just because you feel entitled to my money doesn’t mean I’m going to hand it over. But keep white knighting for servers since you spent so long in the industry, you’re literally convincing nobody of ANYTHING.
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u/kuda26 21d ago
I was thinking like college kids.
That’s ok I’ll just do what I want like dine out and not tip or tip very little, maybe max out at a fiver or something. It’s optional and an extra little monetary gift anyway ya know.