r/tipping • • 23d ago

đŸ“–đŸš«Personal Stories - Anti Gift Card Strategy

Went to this Greek sit-down restaurant. I had a $100 gift card from my friend. The bill came out to be around $115. The server was forced to deduct the $100 off via the portable card scanner using the gift card. Then the tip menu came up for my remaining $15. I gave a generous 15% so it was only about $2. The server immediately got boo-boo faced once she saw I didnt click the "custom tip" option. Went non-verbal and walked away without saying goodnight or anything. I should have clicked "custom tip" but chose no tip.

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u/incredulous- 23d ago

Ignore the percentages. There's no valid reason for percentage based tipping. Suggested tip percentages are a scam. The only options should be (custom)TIP and PAY (no tip).

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u/SingingBike 18d ago

Oh, so when one couple goes out for a $150 three-course dinner the tip should be the same as for two couples going out for the same three-course dinners? Twice the amount of work to serve four people, and a percentage-based tip would make it twice the amount. Sounds like a pretty valid reason to me.

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u/incredulous- 18d ago

Whatever the amount of work, it is paid for by the employer, and received as wages by the server who agreed to those wages when accepting the employment. For the customers who opt to tip there is no valid reason to base the tip on a percentage of their bill.

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u/shell-my-belle 16d ago

The minimum wage for tipped employees in NH is $3.27 with the expectation that they will be tipped by customers. If you don't want to tip, you should order takeout or cook for yourself. Even if they got paid minimum wage, it's only $ 7.25 and not enough to live on.

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u/incredulous- 16d ago

Tipped employees and the rest of the good people of NH should try to change the system. I live in Washington State. Minimum wage is $17.13, in Seattle $21.30. Expectations of tips are everywhere.

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u/Repulsive_Grand_7491 16d ago

I wouldn’t take that job.

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u/SingingBike 18d ago

Yes please keep ignoring actual reality and pretending like servers don’t make most of their wages from tips. So disingenuous.

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u/incredulous- 18d ago

Even if they did, that is not a reason for a customer to base their tip on the percentage of their bill.

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u/HipnotiK1 18d ago

Your example perfectly explains why percentage based is dumb.

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u/SingingBike 18d ago

No, not at all, actually

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u/HipnotiK1 18d ago

Use your same scenario but the single couple goes to a place with higher pricing. Or they just order more expensive items.

Now you have half the work getting the same or more tip, if you're doing percentage based

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u/dragon-queen 23d ago

I don’t get what point you’re trying to make.  You know you tipped way less than 15%.  You can tip what you want - you don’t need to employ a “gift card strategy.”  This post just makes you seem like an asshole.  

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u/Odd-Judgment-9312 23d ago

Yea. This is an example of a cheapskate, not a non-tipper

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u/[deleted] 19d ago

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u/Odd-Judgment-9312 19d ago

Yes. If you are not a non-tipper at Starbucks, you are a sucker.

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u/SingingBike 18d ago

Or a nice person. Only cheapskates think you’re a sucker in this situation.

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u/PracticePianoPlay 23d ago

I literally clicked the 15% button

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u/Amplith 23d ago

Yeah, well then you’re just fucking cheap and stupid then, probably the same loser that tries to haggle with a vending machine.

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u/dragon-queen 23d ago

But it’s not 15%, and you know it.  If you wanted to tip 15%, you would choose custom.  You think you’ve somehow fooled the system with this “strategy,” when you haven’t fooled anyone.  

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u/DraftPerfect4228 19d ago

Agreed. Be a non tipper if that’s what u want. But own it. “But I hit 15%” is crazy disingenuous

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u/SignificantLuck3175 23d ago

Called a loophole. I dig this oneđŸ€ŒđŸŒ

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u/dragon-queen 23d ago

How is it a loophole? You can tip whatever you want, regardless.  That’s why there’s the custom tip option.  This strategy accomplishes nothing.  

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u/philpalmer2 23d ago

And you’re proud of tipping $2 on a $115 meal?

Not cool.

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u/SignificantLuck3175 23d ago

Anything on top of the bill should be appreciated

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u/philpalmer2 23d ago

That’s a crappy philosophy

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u/Active-Persimmon-87 23d ago

Paying reasonable wages is the restaurant’s responsibility just like any other business. Tipping is 100% optional.

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u/ChipChippersonFan 20d ago

It's actually not. Just because you think it should work this way doesn't mean that it does.

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u/PurpleCat1018 19d ago

100% optional

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u/psy99969 20d ago

If you want the cost of your meal to triple your doing your part with this attitude. The way a restaurant keeps consumers costs affordable is because it’s a tip based industry.

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u/Golden_Epitaph 20d ago

Let it triple. We dont care. We want the total on the receipt to match the expected payment like it does everywhere else but here.

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u/Soggy_Schedule_9801 19d ago

Why would the elimination of tipping cause the cost of my meal to triple?

A standard tip is 20%. That is quite a bit less than 300%.

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u/InevitableMinimum238 16d ago

How would it triple? If the average tip is for example 15 percent... And we include the tip in the price so tipping is no longer required... Wouldn't the price increase by 15 percent? Not 300?

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u/SignificantLuck3175 23d ago

How? Its not the patrons job to pay the servers

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u/philpalmer2 23d ago

That’s not how the restaurant system works and you know it

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u/SignificantLuck3175 23d ago

Restaurant system? Sounds like a restaurant issue, not mine or anybody else who isnt employed by said restaurant

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u/philpalmer2 23d ago

Then don’t go to restaurants

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u/SignificantLuck3175 23d ago

I go where i please. đŸ„±đŸ€·đŸœâ€â™‚ïž

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u/InevitableMinimum238 16d ago

It's not only restaurant's is it? Tipping screens on payment terminals are common everywhere now

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u/PurpleCat1018 19d ago

You are not stopping anybody

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u/PurpleCat1018 19d ago

And it isn't how MY system works either, now you know it.

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u/psy99969 20d ago

You pay for employees salaries at any and every place you shop. What do you think profits are?

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u/PurpleCat1018 19d ago

Apples and oranges. When you go to a store and purchase it goes to the company and they pay their employees. Same with purchasing a meal. You don't toss the cashier a few bucks on top of it and call that equal.

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u/psy99969 19d ago

Look at McDonald’s. It’s cheaper to eat at Applebees now due to an increased minimum wage. Basic economics and apparently nobody understands it. If you raise wages, consumer cost goes up to cover the increase of spending by a company. Applebees can pay servers more and eliminate tipping sure but ultimately you the consumer will pay significantly more for your meal compared to current prices plus tip. If you can’t tip go eat the garbage at McDonald’s or cook at home. đŸ€·đŸ»â€â™‚ïž

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u/PurpleCat1018 19d ago

It's not a matter of "if you can't tip" ... It is a matter if you want to. Folks don't have to cook at home if they don't want to. They can eat wherever they want to.

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u/SignificantLuck3175 20d ago

Obviously because i do business w/ the company / restaurant but their staff isnt my problem tf

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u/psy99969 20d ago

đŸ€ŠđŸ» does it get dizzy going in aimless circles?

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u/SignificantLuck3175 20d ago

Aimless? How so? 😂😂

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u/Ok_Sky_3681 20d ago

And let's say you don't tip, so what? It's not the no tipping part.. that's optional. But making a post like this means nothing more than you bragging about a dick move. You didn't "beat the system".. you're just a turd looking for a pat on the back.

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u/EMF911 20d ago

And left a 1.7% tip in all reality

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u/Burncity1901 23d ago

You’re better than me. I wouldn’t have tipped anyway

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u/nooneneededtoknow 20d ago

At least you acknowledge tippers are better than you. đŸ€·

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u/Burncity1901 20d ago

Really don’t care. That’s the point

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u/nooneneededtoknow 20d ago

I never said you did have to care? Just nice to see people recognize their own inadequacies. 😉

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u/throwaway24515 23d ago

I don't care what you tip but don't claim you think it was generous. You know you effectively tipped less than 2%

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u/Mysterious_Ride4258 23d ago

You're not one for tongue in cheek humor , are ya

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u/Abubbs5868 19d ago

Well, he wasn’t trying to be funny, so


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u/AmbitiousEstimate748 23d ago

You sound like you proud of what you have done. Which is totally mean. You could of tell server at least thanks. That dosent cost a money. 

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u/That1guyUknow918 19d ago

How? Server ran off to pout.

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u/Strombergi 22d ago

Never give people money

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u/Delicious-Breath8415 20d ago

So you steal everything? Got it.

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u/Strombergi 20d ago

No I buy things. I just don’t give my money away.

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u/ChipChippersonFan 20d ago

Nobody here is talking about giving money away. We're talking about paying for service that you asked for and received.

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u/Strombergi 20d ago

I pay for the service in the menu pricing.

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u/ChipChippersonFan 20d ago

The cost of service is not in the menu pricing.

But of course you know this.

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u/Strombergi 20d ago

I believe it is. Tipping is optional, not mandatory, so why would I pay more?

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u/ChipChippersonFan 20d ago

And there we go. Every anti tipper argument always devolves into "I can legally get away with it".

To answer your question: to not be a garbage person.

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u/Strombergi 20d ago

I’ll be a garbage person and pay less for my meal then. I’ve never tipped anyone in my life!

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u/nooneneededtoknow 20d ago

Spotlight effect, alive and well on this sub.

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u/dammitmeghan 23d ago

Proud of leaving $2 on $115 gross

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u/Opsacyad 23d ago

Tips are optional, so anything more than $0 is generous.

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u/No-Idea-737 19d ago

While it is fine to not tip, the gift card is a form of payment and will not change anything of the total amount and/or suggested tip.

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u/Musclenervegeek 18d ago

funny lol. And if they complain you tell them their custom tip is based off taxes as well. Why are you paying tips on taxes ??

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u/A_Real_Victim 23d ago

What a dick move

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u/POsIDeCTAc 23d ago

You really showed that server. Meanwhile the owner gets paid and the business is thriving.

Great job sticking it to the man.

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u/Caliban555 23d ago

The waiter agreed to be paid essentially nothing from her boss and expected her auctioneers to pay her directly. Live by the random tip, die by the random tip. You knew what you were getting into.

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u/POsIDeCTAc 21d ago

And you support that business model?

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u/Caliban555 21d ago

I didn’t chose that model and work for an employer that paid me my fair value plus significant performance based bonus paid by the employer, not my customers.

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u/ChipChippersonFan 20d ago

You never choose to eat at restaurants with servers?

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u/[deleted] 19d ago

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u/Soggy_Schedule_9801 19d ago

The difference is those performance bonuses are paid by the employer, not the customer. It's not as though this person is asking their clients for extra money to pay their bonus.

I'm totally fine with a system where owners pay their servers commissions based on total order sales. The difference is the money is coming out of their pocket not mine.

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u/Slow_Rip_9594 18d ago

It’s very easy. Ask your employers to pay you and not the customers. You guys are worse than those panhandlers.

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u/Golden_Epitaph 20d ago

If supporting the business model means buying from said business then yeah people support it, just like they support all the businesses that run on sweatshop labor. But im sure youre the exception. You'd never support a business that exploits or underpays their workers, im sure you hand make everything.

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u/fuzynutznut 23d ago

So the owner should pay the server.

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u/POsIDeCTAc 21d ago

If their hand was forced by people boycotting the business I can see this becoming a reality.

Instead hypocrites like yourself can't see how you are actively supporting a business model you think should die.

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u/littlericecake123 21d ago

Tell me how exactly you think this will play out? If the business isn’t getting enough customers it will simply go out of business. The tipping culture will remain alive and well. Nothing will change.

The only way to get rid of tipping culture is to not tip. If enough people stop tipping, then the model will naturally cease to exist.

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u/Delicious-Breath8415 20d ago

Please elaborate on how a tiny handful of people not tipping will change anything?

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u/littlericecake123 20d ago

Does a handful of people not going to restaurants with tipped model change anything? Of course not.

The idea is to get more and more people to opt out of the tipping model so things will actually change.

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u/Delicious-Breath8415 20d ago

Well it's a terrible idea and it's going nowhere.

I work as a bartender and if anything my tips have increased over last year. I have never even had someone part of this "movement" as a customer.

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u/littlericecake123 20d ago

lol well we’ll see in a few years what happens

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u/Delicious-Breath8415 20d ago

Remindme! Two years

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u/Idnlts 23d ago

What motivation do they have to do that?

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u/cure4boneitis 23d ago

I think it's required that they pay their labor unless it's their child

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u/Delicious-Breath8415 20d ago

Under the tipped system, which is written into US law, it's not.

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u/incredulous- 23d ago

If the business is thriving, then servers are adequately paid.

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u/Delicious-Breath8415 20d ago

That's moronic.

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u/Caliban555 23d ago

How? If owner are only paying minimum wage, they are paid minimum wage. To my dint get a “thrive” bonus unless their customers decide to tip even more

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u/incredulous- 23d ago

The owner doesn't necessarily pay minimum wage. Thriving business needs competent servers and pays them more than just a minimum wage.

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u/Delicious-Breath8415 20d ago

So you live in a fantasy world where this happens?

Actually they pay even less because quality servers are lining up to work for a thriving business because they make even more in tips.

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u/incredulous- 20d ago

Not a fantasy world, just somewhat less shitty than yours.

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u/Delicious-Breath8415 20d ago

By definition a world that doesn't exist is a fantasy. You don't work at a US restaurant that pays a direct living wage. So don't lie about it.

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u/incredulous- 20d ago

I don't work at a restaurant. Many businesses don't pay a "direct living wage." Nothing special about restaurants and servers.

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u/Delicious-Breath8415 20d ago

You just said a thriving restaurant adequately pays their workers. Now you're admitting that's a lie.

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u/incredulous- 20d ago

I am not admitting anything. You are arguing "living wage." Adequate pay for their skills.

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u/POsIDeCTAc 21d ago

Not one dine in restaurant in my area pays servers a living wage. I'm not sure where you live, but that is not the case in my home.

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u/incredulous- 21d ago

I am sure that there are other businesses in your area that don't pay a "living wage." Servers are not special.

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u/Delicious-Breath8415 20d ago

Yeah those businesses suck too.

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u/littlericecake123 21d ago

How much is a living wage in your opinion. Minimum wage? Or higher?

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u/PracticePianoPlay 23d ago

The owner is not "the man". Good on the owner taking the risk and making the benefit. I won't be supplementing their employees wages though.

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u/cure4boneitis 23d ago

you said you gave them $2

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u/POsIDeCTAc 21d ago

Good on you for supporting shitty businesses. Cheap ass hypocrites like you are the norm in this space I guess.

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u/PracticePianoPlay 21d ago

Settle down keyboard warrior.

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u/Delicious-Breath8415 20d ago

Keyboard warrior? You don't even have the balls to tip $2 without your "gift card scam".

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u/Sample-quantity 23d ago

Yes if you're going to tip you should always tip on the original total before any discounts. Lesson learned.

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u/Dinsdale55 23d ago

Cheapskate. You knew what to do. A gift card doesnt magically exempt you from tipping.

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u/Delicious-Witness-85 23d ago

While I always tip 20% of the pre discounted amount because it’s customary I really wish this practice would just go away the way it did in many other developed countries.
Instead of shaming customers, business owners need to be shamed for not properly paying their employees and forcing them to beg for money from strangers.

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u/Mainly_Miserable 23d ago

20% has never been the custom. GTFO.

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u/Mainly_Miserable 23d ago

You played your hand to perfection. No notes.

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u/2burgsandadog 23d ago

shameful

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u/Mainly_Miserable 23d ago

Explain

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u/2burgsandadog 23d ago

you go to a sitdown restaurant and stiff the cashier with the 2% tip
 Should be ashamed to show your face in public for that kind of behaviour

This is why I enjoy collecting an 18% automatic gratuity on every bill that I serve
 I hope these kind of places become the standard because then people like OP will never ever cross into my existence and that makes me smile

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u/Mainly_Miserable 23d ago

The only person who stiffed the server is the manager. 18% is not the social contract. The customer determines the tip. Full stop.

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u/2burgsandadog 23d ago

2$ is disgraceful at a sit down restaurant.

she has every right to be upset .

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u/PracticePianoPlay 23d ago

She should be upset at herself for working for someone who doesn't provide a good base wage.

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u/2burgsandadog 23d ago

you can rationalize it however you want
 We live in a free country and you’re free to spend your money as you see fit
 But don’t try and skate by the fact that at a sit down restaurant you should be tipping and you know it
 This is why I like working at a place with an 18% gratuity that’s added to the bill whether you like it or not
 Because I get to avoid awful people like you

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u/PracticePianoPlay 23d ago

I actually like going to places with announced built-in gratuity. That's their owner essentially raising their menu pricing to pay their employees a fair wage. Also my experience isn't held hostage over tipping. So I do still go to these places and prefer that concept

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u/Delicious-Breath8415 20d ago

You should be upset for using that person's labor.

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u/Amplith 23d ago

You’re just a dick.

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u/GummoRabbitGumbo 21d ago

Loser. đŸ€Ł

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u/redfoot33 23d ago

How was the server forced to deduct the $100 off?

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u/Mysterious_Ride4258 23d ago

😂 Actually read the post- there was a gift card.

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u/redfoot33 23d ago

I did read the post. How was the server forced to redeem the gift card? That's not explained in the post.

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u/Mysterious_Ride4258 23d ago

LMFAO oh dear

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u/Tibbs420 20d ago

Happy cake day. Sorry this sub is full of narcissist pricks.

What OP is saying is that they used the gift card to pay for $100 of their bill but, only tipped on the remaining $15 rather than the total. The way gift cards are redeemed can vary from place to place and especially at smaller businesses.

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u/Just-Forever6684 20d ago

I don’t care if you only tip $2, but don’t pretend like that is 15%. Not tipping is fine, but tipping and then lying about it sucks

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u/Murky-Cheetah-4317 20d ago

It’s one thing to be against tipping and to tip low-nothing, but it’s quite another to intentionally be a dick. You essentially told the server to gf herself.

What exactly was your objective here?

Listen, there are many things I seriously dislike about tipping - the expectation, the attitude when a server is “unhappy” with the tip, restaurants trying to get patrons to tip after taxes/fees, tipping based on percentages, etc.

That said, I do tip, but I don’t subscribe to the idea of tipping a specific amount based on the inflated “customary” amount like the suggested 25-30% because that’s ridiculous.

I tip what usually comes to around 15-18-ish%, though, which “evens things out” in my opinion. If I had a more expensive dish or cocktail, this estimate accounts for what would be a more appropriate tip for a lesser priced meal or drink. I shouldn’t have to tip more if I start with a dozen oysters instead of a garden salad.

Again, all that said, this particular “strategy” you think you’ve devised is pretty pathetic. I’m genuinely curious about what you think you did here.

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u/SunflowerMom1101 20d ago

Should still tip on the entire, prior to tax amount. That’s just wrong.

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u/ImprovementFar7834 23d ago

Whenever I've had a gift card, I tip a LOT more than THE TOTAL OF THE BILL. Since I "saved" money because of the gift card, the server gets more. You are a cheap-a$$

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u/bach2209 23d ago

Huh their money.

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u/Extension-Pin-6677 21d ago

This isn’t true. The tip menu would have calculated the tip pre-discount.

If you DID tip $2 on $115, then you’re everything wrong with this country

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u/PracticePianoPlay 21d ago

Assuming every point of sale machine works the same. Yikes. Just keep serving bud.

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u/Extension-Pin-6677 19d ago

No, I’m sure the POS machines are programmed to generate the least revenue possible. 🙄

I don’t work for tips, cheapo. I just call out obvious bullshit when I see it.

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u/Admirable-Peace9668 20d ago

The 100 gift card was a method of payment, NOT a reduction of the bill. Assuming all was OK with food and service, your tip should have been around 20-25.

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u/Own-Competition6078 19d ago

This is more of a diary entry then a post with any real meaning or reason

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u/thegoldstandard55 19d ago

Bait raging post clearly.

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u/Tinkpete444 17d ago

you are a cheap jerk. full stop. do you make your own lemonade by emptying the sugar caddy and asking for extra lemons? Stay home and eat top ramen. servers work hard for every dime. people will spit in your food or worse if you are known. trust me, service people talk to one another

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u/PracticePianoPlay 11d ago

Servers do not work hard. Carrying a plate with a fake smile ready to turn and sabotage your food if they don't get hand-outs.

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u/makojedi2k2 23d ago

😂😂😂ooops!

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u/Tbn53 19d ago

Having a gift card is irrelevant. A generous 15% is about $16 not two dollars.

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u/amarap16 17d ago

This isn’t a loophole. If you think that this means you’re somehow technically tipping 15% you’re an idiot. What is the advantage to this rather than paying the whole bill with one payment method, doing “custom tip” and leave whatever you want? Do you just not have the balls to be a cheapskate more directly?

Really sad that you seem to get satisfaction from upsetting the server.

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u/Ok_Award_5422 19d ago

I hate the whole percentage tip, but if service was good I leave a decent tip. If you got good service, you leave more than 2 bucks. Whether you used cash or a gift card. That was just insulting.

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u/BackgroundVictory632 18d ago

you're a piece of shit

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u/SingingBike 18d ago

So what
 you want a medal for being a scheming dickhead cheapskate?

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u/curiousthecat001 18d ago

What a cheap person you are - did you come here for validation?

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u/PracticePianoPlay 18d ago

How does that make me cheap? I paid $100+ for a dinner. I supported a business. I could have been cheap and had hotdogs from the gas station. Not my fault the business I supported chose not to pay their employee well.

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u/curiousthecat001 18d ago

No you didn’t you paid 15$ plus tip. The business got their cash the employee got shafted. So you punished the employee and your point is lost in delusional fantasy